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Who had the best season in the last 20 years?

Gilbert 2011
36
43%
Cipollini 2002
1
1%
Cavendish 2009
3
4%
Pantani 1998
25
30%
Cancellara 2008
2
2%
Boonen 2005
6
7%
Petacchi 2003 or 2004
1
1%
Contador 2008
7
8%
Zabel 2001
3
4%
 
Total votes : 84

11 Sep 2017 12:42

As long as the question is who had THE best season, adding Froome seems like a moot point since any sensible voter favoring Grand Tour placements would have Pantani 98 ahead of Froome 17 as the Giro/Tour combination is more prestigious and harder to achieve.
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11 Sep 2017 12:54

PremierAndrew wrote:Pantani 98 and Froome 17 are remarkably similar. Like Froome, Pantani did pretty much nothing outside his Giro and Tour wins in 98. Ofc Giro-Tour is bigger than Tour-Vuelta, and Pantani did it with a lot more panache, but either way, I'd put Froome's season over most of that list.

Also Sagan 16 should be an option on that poll in front of many of the others

Pantani won Comunidad Valenciana, the major mountain stage at the Tour of Murcia and the maglia verde at the Giro as well in 1998!
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Re: Who had the best season in the last 20 years?

11 Sep 2017 13:27

Usually when I post my opinion on a forum dealing with just one particular question by the time I wake up the next morning I have forgotten about the thread all together and don't get so involved again. However with this thread, for some reason, it stuck in my head and I kept thinking about it:

Originally (as I posted on one of the first pages of this thread) my order was: 1st Gilbert 2011 - 2nd Wiggins 2012 - 3rd Pantani 1998.

But after more consideration I have changed my views. I think it is too hard to compare one day riders like Gilbert and Boonen with GT riders like Pantani and Wiggins. I also thought more about Boonen's 2005 and decided it was on par with Gilbert's 2011. Furthermore, after more consideration, I decided that Wiggins' 2012 was certainly not as impressive as I originally thought.

So, my new list is actually 2 lists. One for one day riders and one for GT riders:
1 day riders: 1st Gilbert 2011 and Boonen 2005 (joint)
GT riders: 1st Pantani 1998, 2nd Froome 2017 (unless Froome gets a medal in Worlds ITT), 3rd Wiggins 2012

Honorable mention: Cavendish 2011 who's results include:
1st World Championships
5 Tour stages
Tour Green Jersey
3 Giro Stages
Giro Pink (leaders) Jersey (for a day)
And several other sprint victories
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11 Sep 2017 14:20

Boonen 05 or 12. Either way, Boonen!
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Re: Who had the best season in the last 20 years?

11 Sep 2017 14:38

It's funny. Froome probably had a better season than most riders in the poll but while you could make a point why their season should be considered the best of the last 20 year there is basically no way you can argue that Froome's season was the best because Tour-Vuelta simply gets outclassed by Giro-Tour. This could ofc still change if Froome wins the WC TT, but right now I don't really think it is necessary to change the poll options.
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11 Sep 2017 15:54

Sounds like Froome isn't doing the WC ITT after all. Sounds like he's turning up for the TTT and then taking his annual leave
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11 Sep 2017 16:22

Wise decision by Froome - Would struggle to beat Dennis or Dumoulin after his exertions in the Vuelta.
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11 Sep 2017 18:24

yaco wrote:Wise decision by Froome - Would struggle to beat Dennis or Dumoulin after his exertions in the Vuelta.

Lol even this contador is able to beat dennis on this route... dumoulin is another story. Froome would have beaten dennis very easily
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11 Sep 2017 19:40

yaco wrote:Wise decision by Froome - Would struggle to beat Dennis or Dumoulin after his exertions in the Vuelta.


What's wise in that? He ain't going to have a chance like this for WC Gold in his entire career!
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Re: Who had the best season in the last 20 years?

12 Sep 2017 17:05

Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.
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12 Sep 2017 17:48

Ruby United wrote:Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.


I don't think the world ITT, particularly one on a non-traditional course designed to favour stage racers rather than specialists, makes up the gap between a Vuelta and a Giro. And certainly not the gap between a Vuelta win and a Giro win plus a couple of minor races. The Giro-Tour double is much, much harder and any example of it beats any Tour-Vuelta double unless the latter comes bundled with multiple additional big wins.
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Re: Who had the best season in the last 20 years?

12 Sep 2017 17:58

Ruby United wrote:Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.

Cancellara 2010, Gilbert 2011, Boonen 2005/12. Pantani 1998. Oh, and Indurain 93 is far above Froome this year. A silver medal at the road race is better than gold at the ITT. And Giro-tour > tour-vuelta
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12 Sep 2017 18:19

Brullnux wrote:
Ruby United wrote:Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.

Cancellara 2010, Gilbert 2011, Boonen 2005/12. Pantani 1998. Oh, and Indurain 93 is far above Froome this year. A silver medal at the road race is better than gold at the ITT. And Giro-tour > tour-vuelta

In the hypothetical that Froome wins the WC ITT, I don't see how Cancellara 2010 would be a better season. How does RVV/P-R/WC ITT beat Tour/Vuelta/WC ITT? I agree though on Indurain 1993 being better.
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12 Sep 2017 19:12

Ruby United wrote:Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.


Jalabert 1995 beats any season in last 29 years! Even Indurain's 1993
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12 Sep 2017 20:12

shalgo wrote:
Brullnux wrote:
Ruby United wrote:Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.

Cancellara 2010, Gilbert 2011, Boonen 2005/12. Pantani 1998. Oh, and Indurain 93 is far above Froome this year. A silver medal at the road race is better than gold at the ITT. And Giro-tour > tour-vuelta

In the hypothetical that Froome wins the WC ITT, I don't see how Cancellara 2010 would be a better season. How does RVV/P-R/WC ITT beat Tour/Vuelta/WC ITT? I agree though on Indurain 1993 being better.

No you're right. Gilbert 2011 and Boonen 2005 especially (2012 was impressive for winning all four of the cobbled wt races) can rival Froome this year. But I guess it depends on how you value classics vs Gts.
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12 Sep 2017 20:26

Blanco wrote:
Ruby United wrote:Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.


Jalabert 1995 beats any season in last 29 years! Even Indurain's 1993


Jalabert 1995, Rominger 1994 both much better than Froome's 2017. Even Indurain 1993.
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12 Sep 2017 23:23

Brullnux wrote:
shalgo wrote:
Brullnux wrote:
Ruby United wrote:Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.

Cancellara 2010, Gilbert 2011, Boonen 2005/12. Pantani 1998. Oh, and Indurain 93 is far above Froome this year. A silver medal at the road race is better than gold at the ITT. And Giro-tour > tour-vuelta

In the hypothetical that Froome wins the WC ITT, I don't see how Cancellara 2010 would be a better season. How does RVV/P-R/WC ITT beat Tour/Vuelta/WC ITT? I agree though on Indurain 1993 being better.

No you're right. Gilbert 2011 and Boonen 2005 especially (2012 was impressive for winning all four of the cobbled wt races) can rival Froome this year. But I guess it depends on how you value classics vs Gts.


See my last post on this thread before this one, where I write that you can't compare.
I was speaking in my original post in terms of GT riders.
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Re: Who had the best season in the last 20 years?

13 Sep 2017 10:04

Ruby United wrote:Froome going for the ITT.
If he wins who would have been the last person to have had a better season than him.
Certainly no-one in the last 20 years.
Would we have to go all the way back to Roche, 1987?

Jalabert 1995 and Bugo 1990 weren't bad, but not as good.
Indurain 1993 perhaps? Tour, Giro and 2nd in WCRR as well as a few small victories.


No wins until the tdf GC though + two stages and overall in the Vuelta + (hypothetical) TTWC is nothing like the level of domination of say Gilbert 2011.
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13 Sep 2017 10:34

The question is whether you just look at it mathematically in terms of UCI points, or also at the way these races were won. If somebody finishes solo in Milan-Sanremo, Gent-Wevelgem and the World Championships, and wins a bunch of other races, it would be fabulous. If a sprinter like Cipollini wins these races you can say, Nah, it's just a sprinter, he's only good in the last 200 meters and his team does all the work.

My vote also goes to Gilbert in 2011. Pantani didn't even lead the UCI rankings in 1998; Bartoli did. However that Giro-Tour double remains legendary in the memory.
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13 Sep 2017 10:44

Most of Gilbert's wins were sprints as well. Not to mention how he was outclassed by Nibali in Lombardia.
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