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12 Sep 2017 22:06

Zinoviev Letter wrote:Casper Pedersen winning the first stage of the Tour of Denmark must have Aqua Blue management feeling pretty smug. They have only announced two new signings, both espoirs coming from the Conti ranks, but Dunbar and Pedersen look like seriously talented kids. Dunbar was an obvious choice, but whoever picked out Pedersen (presumably Nicki Sorensen) seems to know what they are at. That's two big wins for him in just over a month.


Nicki Sørensen's Danish influence has probably been important regarding Pedersen, yes. He has always been one of the biggest talents of this generation of Danish riders (IMO at least) and was strong as a junior but has been putting his focus mostly in track (he was the world champion in omnium as a junior and part of the Danish pursuit squad in Rio last year where he didnt get to ride, sadly) up until this year.
He is quite versatile for a track rider though. He is quick but not a sprinter per se, he can get over some hills and has a decent tt. He seems to have great endurance for his age and really thrives when the racing is tough with a lot of wind, bad weather etc. Exciting prospect for the Flandrian classics I believe.
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12 Sep 2017 22:40

Hang on, I've just looked at the Aquablue site and don't see any announcement of Pedersen for next year. In fact, the only mentions I can see of him going there are from this forum and a couple of mentions on twitter. Maybe it was just a rumour and he hasn't in fact signed anywhere yet. If so, he will certainly be signing a pro deal somewhere very soon.
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13 Sep 2017 11:12

Zinoviev Letter wrote:Hang on, I've just looked at the Aquablue site and don't see any announcement of Pedersen for next year. In fact, the only mentions I can see of him going there are from this forum and a couple of mentions on twitter. Maybe it was just a rumour and he hasn't in fact signed anywhere yet. If so, he will certainly be signing a pro deal somewhere very soon.


It's true that it's only a rumour for now. I was the one who brought the rumour at first on this site as I thought it was only a matter of hours or a few days perhaps until they would announce it. As there still has been no announcement from the team it might be an idea to put this discussion on hold, though it was my initial understanding that the contract had already been signed.

Perhaps the team is just waiting for Casper to become world champion before announcing the signing :)
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13 Sep 2017 12:59

Well, now it's official.
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13 Sep 2017 13:15

Bushman wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Hang on, I've just looked at the Aquablue site and don't see any announcement of Pedersen for next year. In fact, the only mentions I can see of him going there are from this forum and a couple of mentions on twitter. Maybe it was just a rumour and he hasn't in fact signed anywhere yet. If so, he will certainly be signing a pro deal somewhere very soon.


It's true that it's only a rumour for now. I was the one who brought the rumour at first on this site as I thought it was only a matter of hours or a few days perhaps until they would announce it. As there still has been no announcement from the team it might be an idea to put this discussion on hold, though it was my initial understanding that the contract had already been signed.

Perhaps the team is just waiting for Casper to become world champion before announcing the signing :)


Well it turns out you were right! (It's always a pretty good sign from a team's point of view when they sign an espoir and then in between the contract being signed and the deal being announced he wins a pro race.
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13 Sep 2017 23:23

I am still extremely interested in how Eddie Dunbar gets on. Have posted about him before but he's basically a young Andy Schleck. He was never confident in his descending so he would go from way, way out in lumpy races and often win.
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14 Sep 2017 00:28

vedrafjord wrote:I am still extremely interested in how Eddie Dunbar gets on. Have posted about him before but he's basically a young Andy Schleck. He was never confident in his descending so he would go from way, way out in lumpy races and often win.


Recently though rather surprisingly his best showings have been on the cobbles and in the TT, and although he's clearly a climber, he hasn't shown "Young Andy" level at that yet.

I am looking forward to seeing how both he and Pedersen get on next year. On paper Aqua Blue seem to have made the best espoir signings of any team outside of the very top end of the WT. which is a nice change after their (now proven entirely correct) decision to focus on recruiting well established mid-level riders last year.
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21 Sep 2017 23:04

This has to be a publicity stunt. Well, obviously it's a publicity stunt, but how far will the stunt go?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aqua-blue-sport-to-compete-on-3t-strada-disc-bike-with-1x-drivetrain-in-2018/

"Single-ring road bikes will be raced in the pro peloton for the first time in 2018. The Irish pro road team Aqua Blue Sport will compete on the 3T Strada, an aero disc-brake road bike notable for its absence of a front derailleur, 3T announced the news at Interbike."


Oh, and spot the deliberate mistake? I'm pretty sure single rings have been raced in the peloton before 2018. A long time before 2018, it must be said.
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21 Sep 2017 23:21

Leinster wrote:This has to be a publicity stunt. Well, obviously it's a publicity stunt, but how far will the stunt go?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aqua-blue-sport-to-compete-on-3t-strada-disc-bike-with-1x-drivetrain-in-2018/

"Single-ring road bikes will be raced in the pro peloton for the first time in 2018. The Irish pro road team Aqua Blue Sport will compete on the 3T Strada, an aero disc-brake road bike notable for its absence of a front derailleur, 3T announced the news at Interbike."


Oh, and spot the deliberate mistake? I'm pretty sure single rings have been raced in the peloton before 2018. A long time before 2018, it must be said.


I am not usually particularly interested in the details of the equipment pros use in the same way lots of fans seem to be. For the most part it's all basically interchangeable and there's little significant about which brand of chainset a team is using. I pay some attention to the visual design aspect of the equipment, but don't pretend to have any great knowledge of the technical specifications.

This though is weird enough that I'm actually curious about it. Would a pro team seriously try to compete on a bike with such an odd configuration? Even assuming it all works as promised there seem like some basic logistical issues (like changing wheels).
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21 Sep 2017 23:44

The disc brake issue is being addressed. Within a couple of seasons everyone will be on disc brakes anyway.

The 1x is interesting though. On some races it won't make much difference. MSR or Roubaix, riders are pretty much on the big ring from start to finish anyway. 11-28 at the rear is standard now, and a 53-28 gear is lower than any pro would need on the Poggio or Arenberg.

The big question will be in lumpy races with steep slopes like Flanders, LBL, or Grand Tour mountain stages up the Angliru or Zoncolan. Presuming that riders will want their top end, and their low-end, gears to be similar to what they currently have, will they be happy to have bigger gaps in the middle?
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22 Sep 2017 07:54

Leinster wrote:The disc brake issue is being addressed. Within a couple of seasons everyone will be on disc brakes anyway.

The 1x is interesting though. On some races it won't make much difference. MSR or Roubaix, riders are pretty much on the big ring from start to finish anyway. 11-28 at the rear is standard now, and a 53-28 gear is lower than any pro would need on the Poggio or Arenberg.

The big question will be in lumpy races with steep slopes like Flanders, LBL, or Grand Tour mountain stages up the Angliru or Zoncolan. Presuming that riders will want their top end, and their low-end, gears to be similar to what they currently have, will they be happy to have bigger gaps in the middle?



I can see them using the 1x setup in stages and races that don't require the small ring up front, as this will garner publicity, then when required they will have a modified version of the bike that uses a front derailleur and a 'normal' setup. There is no way a team would sacrifice rider happiness and ability to compete for the sake of commercial tie-up. Without competing or riders there is no commercial tie-up in the first place
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22 Sep 2017 08:02

although having looked at the frameset again, not sure where the derailleur would actually attach as its all very compact in and around the bottom bracket and the downtube, so maybe they will be going 1x the whole time? Maybe they'll look at SRAM Eagle 1x12? I know its for mountain bikes, but could they develop something for the road based around this for the steep climbs?
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