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18 Oct 2017 11:03

I don't know guys after toussouire in 2015 when quintana puts 30 sec into froome and about 2 mins into valverde and contador, everything is possible on rosiere. it's all down to a proper attacking initiative coming to the fore at the right moment. :D
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18 Oct 2017 11:19

gregrowlerson wrote:Reasonably happy with the course. The Alps look good, though could still be longer in length. Not sure about the 65 km stage in the Pyrenees. Why not just have an epic mountain ITT?

If the Giro offers at least 50 kms of ITT and not too many crazy mountains then Tom should defend his title IMO. I think Nibali will do the Tour.


Exactly. Tom should go to Giro if they have ITT similar to last year.

This route in the Tour looks good on paper for him, but I feel like its gonna be a set up if he goes there. People are already thinking Tom is only one that can beat Froome on this route and that it should suit him well etc. I think it will be a mistake to go though.

I think Nibali will be Froomes biggest competitor on this route, if on same form as during this fall and if he can stay injury free. Nibali dont got a strong team for TTT but he should be able to match Froome on the rest of the stages and hopefully he gain time before final ITT. I think Riche Porte got a big chance on this route also if he dont make mistakes or have bad luck. He got a strong team for TTT also.
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18 Oct 2017 11:20

BMC's master tactician Piva is already crying about the fact that the first week and the cobbles are too hard for the climbers. Of course they'll still put all their eggs in the Tour basket, but he's still complaining about the delayed Giro presentation. :o
Source: http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2017/10/18/105986/piva-tour-un-cocktail-non-convince-bmc-giro-d-talia-tuttobiciweb
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18 Oct 2017 12:08

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:
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Escarabajo wrote:If anybody thinks that La Rosiere will be a waste because is a gradual gradient they will be surprised next year. Steep gradients are sometimes overrated.

Did you see the Sierra Nevada stage this year?

That was harder, later in the race, and as the last of 3 mountain stages.


Contador dropped Schleck on Arcalis at very low gradients. That stage was soft as hell, too.

Even though La Rosiere is (only) the 2nd of 3 alpine stages in a row, I think we may see some action from the likes of Barguil and Martin. Don't think this will be a procession until the final k. Gaps will be made.


Everyone hates the damn climb, but Arcalis main body is 7%.


The final 4 kms aren't

4% isn't raceable


The final 10 km of La Rosiere are like 6.6 - 6.7% per the profile Netserk posted above. Attacks will need to happen before the 4.5- 5 % part of the last 4 or so kms. The 8%+ part is plenty hard to attack.

Someone has to be stronger than Froome, though. That is the issue.

Agreed, they are more like 6.5%...

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18 Oct 2017 12:50

Misread the Rosiere profile. They'll try and fail very predictably, instead of not even trying. Very marginally less ******
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18 Oct 2017 12:52

well many ds are now protesting for the demanding fisrt 9 stages , wind cobbles so also Piva for LTR , that is too much pave , and the poor lightweight will suffer , Frumi to destory people also here GOAT
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18 Oct 2017 13:02

All those gradients are plenty hard for attack. The problems is always the same. Whether there is someone strong enough to attack Froome. Porte crashed out too early last year and Quintana was way subpar. So everything else looked bad after that.
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18 Oct 2017 14:18

Please, someone tell me that the 65 km stage is a MTT...
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18 Oct 2017 14:41

portugal11 wrote:Please, someone tell me that the 65 km stage is a MTT...

It is a MTT. :D

In 1985 Roche used TT lycra for the short stage because that was the way he was treating it.
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18 Oct 2017 14:51

Mayomaniac wrote:BMC's master tactician Piva is already crying about the fact that the first week and the cobbles are too hard for the climbers. Of course they'll still put all their eggs in the Tour basket but he's still complaining about the delayed Giro presentation., :o
Source: http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2017/10/18/105986/piva-tour-un-cocktail-non-convince-bmc-giro-d-talia-tuttobiciweb

Porte has no business being at the Giro, either, so I can certainly understand BMC's choice from a commercial perspective.

From a sports perspective it would be better if he'd focus on the Vuelta instead, but I'm sure prefers another TDF top 5 over a possible Vuelta win...
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18 Oct 2017 15:07

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:
Mayomaniac wrote:BMC's master tactician Piva is already crying about the fact that the first week and the cobbles are too hard for the climbers. Of course they'll still put all their eggs in the Tour basket but he's still complaining about the delayed Giro presentation., :o
Source: http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2017/10/18/105986/piva-tour-un-cocktail-non-convince-bmc-giro-d-talia-tuttobiciweb

Porte has no business being at the Giro, either, so I can certainly understand BMC's choice from a commercial perspective.

From a sports perspective it would be better if he'd focus on the Vuelta instead, but I'm sure prefers another TDF top 5 over a possible Vuelta win...

I agree with Porte, but he also mentions that he wants both Caruso and TJVG also at the Tour and then still complains about the delayed Giro presentation.
In the end it's not like those 2 guys would be the game changer at the Giro, top 10 on the gc would already be a great result for both of them, so BMC sending a stagehunter team to the Giro isn't bad.
My post was more about Piva crying and complaining about the route and the cobbles.
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18 Oct 2017 15:14

telencefalus wrote:well many ds are now protesting for the demanding fisrt 9 stages , wind cobbles so also Piva for LTR , that is too much pave , and the poor lightweight will suffer , Frumi to destory people also here GOAT

Demanding 9 first stages, wtf, are these guys for fckn real :lol:
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18 Oct 2017 16:43

Netserk wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Best stage desgin would be to ditch Alpe d'Huez. Climb is unsuited to prior action

Not if climbed by Sarenne and from Galibier. As suited to prior action as a finish at Les-2-Alpes.

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18 Oct 2017 16:45

Nice job mirroring the Galibier south side :D
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18 Oct 2017 16:54

Is Tom Dumoulin riding the Tour?...he should...with TTT , cobbles and cross winds I think he has a great chance ....remember Froome & Quintana may not last till the mountians

The short mountian stage suits Dumoulin too

If he does not ride it he may rue that decision
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18 Oct 2017 16:56

65K is a long solo TT effort, not only does their physical form need to be spot on, but their mental focus will be critical!
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18 Oct 2017 17:03

jmdirt wrote:65K is a long solo TT effort, not only does their physical form need to be spot on, but their mental focus will be critical!

No Berto no party, it'll be a procession
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18 Oct 2017 17:07

LaFlorecita wrote:
jmdirt wrote:65K is a long solo TT effort, not only does their physical form need to be spot on, but their mental focus will be critical!

No Berto no party, it'll be a procession


Not if Dumoulin is there with a top Sunweb team
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18 Oct 2017 17:22

Is the stage 2 uphill finish? The landscape around the finishing town suggest it's possible. Not meaning a big one, something like 2008/2011 openers.
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18 Oct 2017 17:38

I blame Contador. This fuss really started and escalated with him
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