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18 Oct 2017 18:35

Finn84 wrote:Is the stage 2 uphill finish? The landscape around the finishing town suggest it's possible. Not meaning a big one, something like 2008/2011 openers.

Dead flat.
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18 Oct 2017 20:16

Red Rick wrote:Best stage desgin would be to ditch Alpe d'Huez. Climb is unsuited to prior action


Prior action is a myth. If you want prior action you should watch U23 or the juniors. In the 80ies riders like the Colombians and Agostinho lost 20-25 minutes on the classic stages of the first week. That's what made them attack every day in the mountains.
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18 Oct 2017 20:25

Max Rockatansky wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Best stage desgin would be to ditch Alpe d'Huez. Climb is unsuited to prior action


Prior action is a myth. If you want prior action you should watch U23 or the juniors. In the 80ies riders like the Colombians and Agostinho lost 20-25 minutes on the classic stages of the first week. That's what made them attack every day in the mountains.

Or, you know, you could watch most races that aren't the Tour.
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18 Oct 2017 20:44

Max Rockatansky wrote:Prior action is a myth. If you want prior action you should watch U23 or the juniors. In the 80ies riders like the Colombians and Agostinho lost 20-25 minutes on the classic stages of the first week. That's what made them attack every day in the mountains.


While, as hrotha says, outside of the bore de france prior actions is more common, if what you say is correct (and I believe it partially is), the solution isn't to say, oh well, prior action is of the past. The solution is to design routes which see the pure climbers of today lose a ton of time before the mountains come, just as in the past. Let's get those 70km timetrials, cobbles, dirt roads, hilly stages, echelons, whatever is necessary in again so the climbers are actually forced to go on epic mountain raids again, instead of pathetic 2km glorified uphill sprints at the end of an MTF stage.
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18 Oct 2017 20:47

Yes, like this years Giro. Or Vuelta. Or last years Vuelta. Or last years Giro.

Well last year we had Formigal and Lombarde but thats it. Next year there will be no more Contador and you can't just expect the race leader to hit the deck everytime.
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18 Oct 2017 21:35

Breh wrote:Yes, like this years Giro. Or Vuelta. Or last years Vuelta. Or last years Giro.

Well last year we had Formigal and Lombarde but thats it. Next year there will be no more Contador and you can't just expect the race leader to hit the deck everytime.

Last year you had

Corvara
Andalo
Risoul
Isola 2000

All with action or casualties on the penultimate climb. That's one GT
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18 Oct 2017 22:11

Red Rick wrote:
Breh wrote:Yes, like this years Giro. Or Vuelta. Or last years Vuelta. Or last years Giro.

Well last year we had Formigal and Lombarde but thats it. Next year there will be no more Contador and you can't just expect the race leader to hit the deck everytime.

Last year you had

Corvara
Andalo
Risoul
Isola 2000

All with action or casualties on the penultimate climb. That's one GT


The finish was 10km after the top of Lombarde, at the summit of a 2km murito. Don't think you can qualified that as exceptionnal. Even in the Tour I think we would have had action on the penultimate climb. :D

Weird thing learn today : http://www.lexpress.fr/actualites/1/sport/tour-de-france-2018-pour-prudhomme-le-portet-est-un-vrai-geant_1953248.html

On the Portet stage, the riders will start in the order of the GC. I suppose he talks about something like VTT with the 10 on the first line then 11-20 on the second, ect...

I don't think it's going to have a incidence though since the first riders are going to take it easy on the first climb.
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18 Oct 2017 22:35

William Hill:
6/5 Chris Froome
11/4 Tom Dumoulin
7/1 Richie Porte
9/1 Nairo Quintana
10/1 Mikel Landa
13/1 Miguel Angel Lopez
20/1 Romain Bardet
25/1 Vincenzno Nibali
28/1 Fabio Aru
28/1 Rigoberto Uran
33/1 Ilnur Zakarin
33/1 Thibaut Pinot
40/1 Adam Yates
40/1 Alejandro Valverde
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18 Oct 2017 22:38

God that TTT is a disgrace
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18 Oct 2017 23:06

Chrispol wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Breh wrote:Yes, like this years Giro. Or Vuelta. Or last years Vuelta. Or last years Giro.

Well last year we had Formigal and Lombarde but thats it. Next year there will be no more Contador and you can't just expect the race leader to hit the deck everytime.

Last year you had

Corvara
Andalo
Risoul
Isola 2000

All with action or casualties on the penultimate climb. That's one GT


The finish was 10km after the top of Lombarde, at the summit of a 2km murito. Don't think you can qualified that as exceptionnal. Even in the Tour I think we would have had action on the penultimate climb. :D

Weird thing learn today : http://www.lexpress.fr/actualites/1/sport/tour-de-france-2018-pour-prudhomme-le-portet-est-un-vrai-geant_1953248.html

On the Portet stage, the riders will start in the order of the GC. I suppose he talks about something like VTT with the 10 on the first line then 11-20 on the second, ect...

I don't think it's going to have a incidence though since the first riders are going to take it easy on the first climb.


maybe it's a gundersen race? like cross country skiing?
no use to start MTB style on the road, it's not like the race finishes on the first corner ahah
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18 Oct 2017 23:19

Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:William Hill:
6/5 Chris Froome
11/4 Tom Dumoulin
7/1 Richie Porte
9/1 Nairo Quintana
10/1 Mikel Landa
13/1 Miguel Angel Lopez
20/1 Romain Bardet
25/1 Vincenzno Nibali
28/1 Fabio Aru
28/1 Rigoberto Uran
33/1 Ilnur Zakarin
33/1 Thibaut Pinot
40/1 Adam Yates
40/1 Alejandro Valverde


Great odds for Nibali imo ....
While too short for Lopez

Going to be interesting with Landa and Quintana
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18 Oct 2017 23:33

Red Rick wrote:
Breh wrote:Yes, like this years Giro. Or Vuelta. Or last years Vuelta. Or last years Giro.

Well last year we had Formigal and Lombarde but thats it. Next year there will be no more Contador and you can't just expect the race leader to hit the deck everytime.

Last year you had

Corvara
Andalo
Risoul
Isola 2000

All with action or casualties on the penultimate climb. That's one GT


You were talking about prior action. Casualties are not prior action. Unless you consider Sky grinding everybody off their wheel as action.

I'll give you Andalo, which was a rather short stage btw.

Thats 3stages over 6GT's. And two out of three were very short :^)
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19 Oct 2017 07:15

Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:William Hill:
6/5 Chris Froome
11/4 Tom Dumoulin
7/1 Richie Porte
9/1 Nairo Quintana
10/1 Mikel Landa
13/1 Miguel Angel Lopez
20/1 Romain Bardet
25/1 Vincenzno Nibali
28/1 Fabio Aru
28/1 Rigoberto Uran
33/1 Ilnur Zakarin
33/1 Thibaut Pinot
40/1 Adam Yates
40/1 Alejandro Valverde

I imagine you can't lay these odds?

Froome and Nibali both free EV.
Rest seems all garbage
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19 Oct 2017 07:17

Breh wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Breh wrote:Yes, like this years Giro. Or Vuelta. Or last years Vuelta. Or last years Giro.

Well last year we had Formigal and Lombarde but thats it. Next year there will be no more Contador and you can't just expect the race leader to hit the deck everytime.

Last year you had

Corvara
Andalo
Risoul
Isola 2000

All with action or casualties on the penultimate climb. That's one GT


You were talking about prior action. Casualties are not prior action. Unless you consider Sky grinding everybody off their wheel as action.

I'll give you Andalo, which was a rather short stage btw.

Thats 3stages over 6GT's. And two out of three were very short :^)


Risoul had Nibali going absolutely nuts on Col d'Angello.
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19 Oct 2017 10:58

I was just wondering how people rate the downhill-finishes.

Stage 10: Downhill to Le Grand Bornand
Stage 15: Pic de Nore downhill
Stage 16: Downhill to Bagneres-de-Luchon
Stage 19. Downhill to Laruns

How technically demanding are they?
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19 Oct 2017 11:13

HelloDolly wrote:
Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:William Hill:
6/5 Chris Froome
11/4 Tom Dumoulin
7/1 Richie Porte
9/1 Nairo Quintana
10/1 Mikel Landa
13/1 Miguel Angel Lopez
20/1 Romain Bardet
25/1 Vincenzno Nibali
28/1 Fabio Aru
28/1 Rigoberto Uran
33/1 Ilnur Zakarin
33/1 Thibaut Pinot
40/1 Adam Yates
40/1 Alejandro Valverde


Great odds for Nibali imo ....
While too short for Lopez

Going to be interesting with Landa and Quintana


25/1 for Nibali ? :lol: Think I may take a punt with them odds.
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19 Oct 2017 11:23

bigcog wrote:
HelloDolly wrote:
Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:William Hill:
6/5 Chris Froome
11/4 Tom Dumoulin
7/1 Richie Porte
9/1 Nairo Quintana
10/1 Mikel Landa
13/1 Miguel Angel Lopez
20/1 Romain Bardet
25/1 Vincenzno Nibali
28/1 Fabio Aru
28/1 Rigoberto Uran
33/1 Ilnur Zakarin
33/1 Thibaut Pinot
40/1 Adam Yates
40/1 Alejandro Valverde


Great odds for Nibali imo ....
While too short for Lopez

Going to be interesting with Landa and Quintana


25/1 for Nibali ? :lol: Think I may take a punt with them odds.


I already have :cool:
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19 Oct 2017 12:45

Kyllingen86 wrote:I was just wondering how people rate the downhill-finishes.

Stage 10: Downhill to Le Grand Bornand
Stage 15: Pic de Nore downhill
Stage 16: Downhill to Bagneres-de-Luchon
Stage 19. Downhill to Laruns

How technically demanding are they?


Pic de Nore will be a long descent and then some fair bit of flat (15ks or so) before Carcassonne so not really a downhill finish.

Le Grand Bornand is very fast but not too technical.
Portillon descent on that side is fast and more technical.
Laruns is a long and technical descent, the most apt of the 3 for great descender to make some differences.
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19 Oct 2017 12:56

Okay thanks!

So I guess for Nibali stage 16 and 19 could be a very strong weapon ;)

I know Pic de Nore is not outright a downhill finish but optimistic as I am, I was wondering if for an instance Nibali or another strong downhill rider could plot something together. Lets say have a teammate in the break and call him back for the final flat.

I was just interested in knowing weather Pic de Nore would be even technically difficult enough to pull off such a stunt?
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19 Oct 2017 13:10

Once again guys Nibali will not target the GC in 2018, it's even possible that he will not participate
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