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2018 World Championship - fight for team leadership

08 Nov 2017 17:23

3 different Colombian riders have already stated they are targeting the worlds: Uran, Lopez, Betancur.
I imagine Nairo, Henao, Chavez all feel they should be the leaders. Going from a team with no leaders, to Gaviria this year was great.

For Spain, Landa and Valverde also want to target it (lucky that Contador and Purito retired in the last few years, or else they would up there too). They are teammates now, we shall see how this works out.

Italy, we have Aru and Nibali.
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08 Nov 2017 17:43

The Colombian and the French team could be a mess.
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08 Nov 2017 17:54

This will also be an issue with other countries - It's the nature of the course - At least a flattish course only gives the leading nations one or two options.
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08 Nov 2017 18:23

Good. The less support prospective favourites from big countries can rely on the better, both in terms of reducing the unfairness of differing team sizes and in terms of creating unpredictability and excitement.
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08 Nov 2017 18:38

Mayomaniac wrote:The Colombian and the French team could be a mess.

A lot will depend on the form during next year, though.

Barguil had little to gain being in Bergen but he was here with future leadership in mind. Him and Alaphilippe seem more installed in the national group than Pinot and Bardet.
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08 Nov 2017 19:24

Alexandre B. wrote:
Mayomaniac wrote:The Colombian and the French team could be a mess.

A lot will depend on the form during next year, though.

Barguil had little to gain being in Bergen but he was here with future leadership in mind. Him and Alaphilippe seem more installed in the national group than Pinot and Bardet.


I can't see Guimard not taking Bardet and Pinot. They are both also motivated for the race. And unlike Barguil, they already had good result in Lombardia, the race which has a lot of similarities with the Worlds.
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08 Nov 2017 20:36

Chrispol wrote:
Alexandre B. wrote:
Mayomaniac wrote:The Colombian and the French team could be a mess.

A lot will depend on the form during next year, though.

Barguil had little to gain being in Bergen but he was here with future leadership in mind. Him and Alaphilippe seem more installed in the national group than Pinot and Bardet.


I can't see Guimard not taking Bardet and Pinot. They are both also motivated for the race. And unlike Barguil, they already had good result in Lombardia, the race which has a lot of similarities with the Worlds.

I don't question Bardet and Pinot being in the team, but the struggle for leadership.
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Re: 2018 World Championship - fight for team leadership

08 Nov 2017 23:07

'94, Leblanc 1st, Virenque 3rd. Sometimes, we predict chaos and things work out :) .

Pinot, Bardet, Alaphilippe should be a no-brainer for Guimard. After that, Have another AG@R (Cherel?) with RB, Gaudu with Pinot, select two favorites that they will both race against, see how things shake up in the final, adjust tactics if necessary. I believe there's a 6th spot...between Latour, Gougeard, Calmejane, maybe give Cosnefroy a shot if he does well in the spring...yes, Barguil is an option.

Good problem to have for Guimard...
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09 Nov 2017 04:50

Spain will send send a team built around Valverde (as long as he's recovered from his injury like he's claiming he has) as they always do. Most likely Landa will be sent as option B like they did many times with Valverde as leader and Purito as option B. The thing Spain has that some of the other countries don't have are a lot of domestiques from their country who are more than willing to go to work for Valverde. Typically the team is made up of about half of his teammates which I'm sure helps as well. A Spanish team could be: Valverde, Landa, Soler, Fernandez, Rosen, the Herrada brothers, and then 2 of these three Nieve, LL Sanchez, and Everiti.

I have a feeling Colombia's team will be a mess.
France has a bunch of options as well.
Italy could be a mess just because Nibali and Aru aren't fond of each other.
I'm guessing Gilbert and Van Avermaet will be the team leaders for Belgium.
I'm guessing Porte will be Austrailia's leader.
The US doesn't really have any good options.
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09 Nov 2017 07:39

Koronin wrote:Spain will send send a team built around Valverde (as long as he's recovered from his injury like he's claiming he has) as they always do. Most likely Landa will be sent as option B like they did many times with Valverde as leader and Purito as option B. The thing Spain has that some of the other countries don't have are a lot of domestiques from their country who are more than willing to go to work for Valverde. Typically the team is made up of about half of his teammates which I'm sure helps as well. A Spanish team could be: Valverde, Landa, Soler, Fernandez, Rosen, the Herrada brothers, and then 2 of these three Nieve, LL Sanchez, and Everiti.

I have a feeling Colombia's team will be a mess.
France has a bunch of options as well.
Italy could be a mess just because Nibali and Aru aren't fond of each other.
I'm guessing Gilbert and Van Avermaet will be the team leaders for Belgium.
I'm guessing Porte will be Austrailia's leader.
The US doesn't really have any good options.

Wellens will probably be a protected rider for Belgium. I doubt Van Avermaet will start.

France and Colombia have too many options, they both risk a hot mess on the day.

Italy will be interesting, I don’t see them sending both Aru and Nibali.

Australia has riders who can survive the race with Porte, Haig, Howson, maybe even Clarke or Morton but no real candidates for the win. They have a number of puncheurs but they will never survive.

USA are in the same boat, Dombrowski will probably lead.

Netherlands have a potentially dangerous squad with Dumoulin, Keldermerckx, TGBM and others.

GB has Froome, 2 x Yates and Thomas, but apart from Cav they always seem to underperform at Worlds.

I actually think another wild card could win this like Majka or Kwiatkowski.
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09 Nov 2017 13:53

Yeah Nibali and Aru not fond of each other. That's why they train together so often.
Unless there's a big drop in performance from Nibbles, no question who the captain will be (see Rio for further reference).
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09 Nov 2017 15:44

Koronin wrote:Spain will send send a team built around Valverde (as long as he's recovered from his injury like he's claiming he has) as they always do. Most likely Landa will be sent as option B like they did many times with Valverde as leader and Purito as option B. The thing Spain has that some of the other countries don't have are a lot of domestiques from their country who are more than willing to go to work for Valverde. Typically the team is made up of about half of his teammates which I'm sure helps as well. A Spanish team could be: Valverde, Landa, Soler, Fernandez, Rosen, the Herrada brothers, and then 2 of these three Nieve, LL Sanchez, and Everiti.

I have a feeling Colombia's team will be a mess.
France has a bunch of options as well.
Italy could be a mess just because Nibali and Aru aren't fond of each other.
I'm guessing Gilbert and Van Avermaet will be the team leaders for Belgium.
I'm guessing Porte will be Austrailia's leader.
The US doesn't really have any good options.


What about Ion Izaguirre?
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09 Nov 2017 18:55

Breh wrote:
Koronin wrote:Spain will send send a team built around Valverde (as long as he's recovered from his injury like he's claiming he has) as they always do. Most likely Landa will be sent as option B like they did many times with Valverde as leader and Purito as option B. The thing Spain has that some of the other countries don't have are a lot of domestiques from their country who are more than willing to go to work for Valverde. Typically the team is made up of about half of his teammates which I'm sure helps as well. A Spanish team could be: Valverde, Landa, Soler, Fernandez, Rosen, the Herrada brothers, and then 2 of these three Nieve, LL Sanchez, and Everiti.

I have a feeling Colombia's team will be a mess.
France has a bunch of options as well.
Italy could be a mess just because Nibali and Aru aren't fond of each other.
I'm guessing Gilbert and Van Avermaet will be the team leaders for Belgium.
I'm guessing Porte will be Austrailia's leader.
The US doesn't really have any good options.


What about Ion Izaguirre?


He'll be useful domestique de luxe and interesting option for long range attack. Bala will be undisputed leader, like he always was.
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09 Nov 2017 19:02

42x16ss wrote:
Koronin wrote:Spain will send send a team built around Valverde (as long as he's recovered from his injury like he's claiming he has) as they always do. Most likely Landa will be sent as option B like they did many times with Valverde as leader and Purito as option B. The thing Spain has that some of the other countries don't have are a lot of domestiques from their country who are more than willing to go to work for Valverde. Typically the team is made up of about half of his teammates which I'm sure helps as well. A Spanish team could be: Valverde, Landa, Soler, Fernandez, Rosen, the Herrada brothers, and then 2 of these three Nieve, LL Sanchez, and Everiti.

I have a feeling Colombia's team will be a mess.
France has a bunch of options as well.
Italy could be a mess just because Nibali and Aru aren't fond of each other.
I'm guessing Gilbert and Van Avermaet will be the team leaders for Belgium.
I'm guessing Porte will be Austrailia's leader.
The US doesn't really have any good options.

Wellens will probably be a protected rider for Belgium. I doubt Van Avermaet will start.

France and Colombia have too many options, they both risk a hot mess on the day.

Italy will be interesting, I don’t see them sending both Aru and Nibali.

Australia has riders who can survive the race with Porte, Haig, Howson, maybe even Clarke or Morton but no real candidates for the win. They have a number of puncheurs but they will never survive.

USA are in the same boat, Dombrowski will probably lead.

Netherlands have a potentially dangerous squad with Dumoulin, Keldermerckx, TGBM and others.

GB has Froome, 2 x Yates and Thomas, but apart from Cav they always seem to underperform at Worlds.

I actually think another wild card could win this like Majka or Kwiatkowski.


Only if they are total lunatics! Aru is perfect as an option B, while Nibali should be undisputed leader, considering his one-day results and pedigree.
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09 Nov 2017 19:24

Surely Alaphilippe has to be the leader for France
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09 Nov 2017 21:42

SafeBet wrote:Yeah Nibali and Aru not fond of each other. That's why they train together so often.
Unless there's a big drop in performance from Nibbles, no question who the captain will be (see Rio for further reference).

Ok, I heard a few reports of them not getting along at Astana. Maybe they have put it all behind them after moving teams?
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09 Nov 2017 23:43

Blanco wrote:
Breh wrote:
Koronin wrote:Spain will send send a team built around Valverde (as long as he's recovered from his injury like he's claiming he has) as they always do. Most likely Landa will be sent as option B like they did many times with Valverde as leader and Purito as option B. The thing Spain has that some of the other countries don't have are a lot of domestiques from their country who are more than willing to go to work for Valverde. Typically the team is made up of about half of his teammates which I'm sure helps as well. A Spanish team could be: Valverde, Landa, Soler, Fernandez, Rosen, the Herrada brothers, and then 2 of these three Nieve, LL Sanchez, and Everiti.

I have a feeling Colombia's team will be a mess.
France has a bunch of options as well.
Italy could be a mess just because Nibali and Aru aren't fond of each other.
I'm guessing Gilbert and Van Avermaet will be the team leaders for Belgium.
I'm guessing Porte will be Austrailia's leader.
The US doesn't really have any good options.


What about Ion Izaguirre?


He'll be useful domestique de luxe and interesting option for long range attack. Bala will be undisputed leader, like he always was.


He could be an interesting option C. You're right probably send Ion Izagirre instead of one of the Herrada brothers. Yes Bala will be the undisputed leader of this team. The Spanish coach won't take anyone who doesn't agree to that.

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For some reason I didn't realize Wellins is Belgium. Yes he could be an option for them as well.
As for GB their best option is one of the two Yates twins being the leader as they have done well in one day races. Froome has never done well in a one day race and Thomas will be working.
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10 Nov 2017 09:25

42x16ss wrote:Ok, I heard a few reports of them not getting along at Astana. Maybe they have put it all behind them after moving teams?

I don't know if there ever was any friction between the two, but Aru is very fond of Nibali nowadays. Even during their last year together in Astana, Aru was very happy with how Nibali supported him during TdF 2016 and payed him back working as hard as anybody in Rio.

Cassani has stated multiple times their relationship is strong. I'm 100% sure they're both riding the WC unless they're injured or completely out of shape. And Nibali will be the captain.

As for France, don't see how Alaphilippe is not the captain. Colombia? Probably Henao but it will also depend on form. Spain? Bala.
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10 Nov 2017 19:48

SafeBet wrote:
42x16ss wrote:Ok, I heard a few reports of them not getting along at Astana. Maybe they have put it all behind them after moving teams?

I don't know if there ever was any friction between the two, but Aru is very fond of Nibali nowadays. Even during their last year together in Astana, Aru was very happy with how Nibali supported him during TdF 2016 and payed him back working as hard as anybody in Rio.

Cassani has stated multiple times their relationship is strong. I'm 100% sure they're both riding the WC unless they're injured or completely out of shape. And Nibali will be the captain.

As for France, don't see how Alaphilippe is not the captain. Colombia? Probably Henao but it will also depend on form. Spain? Bala.


Honestly has any colombian proven more than Uran during 1-day races?
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10 Nov 2017 19:58

Chaves has won a monument, so kind of.
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