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09 Oct 2018 03:36

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Midnightfright wrote:Let be honest we are going to refer to them as Quickstep regardless

I still call EF-Drapac, Garmin in my head and have to correct myself.


You aren't the only one. However, I have even more reason for it. My road bike is a Felt in the Garmin paint scheme. I do need to find one of the Garmin kits to go with it.
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09 Oct 2018 03:58

Good news, though the real question is how does a non-Dutch speaker pronounce it?
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09 Oct 2018 11:08

I have this crazy idea that it's not really a new development.

Sure, we've read a lot of articles about Lefevere looking for a sponsor - yup, lots of articles. As if their wins didn't grant them enough coverage. Surely no one wants to support the most successful team... (How long it took Vaughters to find a title sponsor last year?)

The last-minute announcement of securing their future created suspense: will they make it? Will they have to sell riders? (See Gaviria to UAE). More articles, more name dropping.

By the way, maybe I've just missed it, but were riders panicking about their future? The possibility of losing their place on the team or taking a paycut? Sure, Terpstra left, which is exactly one big name... and the narrative of 'not being able to keep such an expensive rider' sounds a bit more dramatic and memorable than 'he wants to seek new challenges' or 'he wants to be sole leader at a team' or whatever the usual PR comment is.

The idea of using 'Wolfpack' as a name -> branding. Calling them Wolfpack would give the impression that they are a TEAM, an entity, not just a bunch of riders sponsored paid to wear the name of a company.

And then the anticlimax of announcing a belgian window-making company. I think CN wrote that Lefevere didn't even had to leave his comfort zone. Surely they just didn't notice each other sooner...

Anyway, I'm glad that their future is secure.
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09 Oct 2018 12:17

Narce_ wrote:I have this crazy idea that it's not really a new development.

Sure, we've read a lot of articles about Lefevere looking for a sponsor - yup, lots of articles. As if their wins didn't grant them enough coverage. Surely no one wants to support the most successful team... (How long it took Vaughters to find a title sponsor last year?)

The last-minute announcement of securing their future created suspense: will they make it? Will they have to sell riders? (See Gaviria to UAE). More articles, more name dropping.

By the way, maybe I've just missed it, but were riders panicking about their future? The possibility of losing their place on the team or taking a paycut? Sure, Terpstra left, which is exactly one big name... and the narrative of 'not being able to keep such an expensive rider' sounds a bit more dramatic and memorable than 'he wants to seek new challenges' or 'he wants to be sole leader at a team' or whatever the usual PR comment is.

The idea of using 'Wolfpack' as a name -> branding. Calling them Wolfpack would give the impression that they are a TEAM, an entity, not just a bunch of riders sponsored paid to wear the name of a company.

And then the anticlimax of announcing a belgian window-making company. I think CN wrote that Lefevere didn't even had to leave his comfort zone. Surely they just didn't notice each other sooner...

Anyway, I'm glad that their future is secure.


Terpstra certainly did not like the offer, nor did Schachmann.So I believe some of the talk is true. Lefevere could not sign (big) contracts a few month ago. Only extension in that period was Lampaert but I dont think he gets the same amount of cash as Terpstra or Gaviria...

If the deal with Deceuninck was completed some time ago like you suggested, why would Terpstra leave? He had everything he wanted at QS. Captain of the best classics team out there and probably a very good contract. Or do you really think that DE is giving him so much more money?
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09 Oct 2018 13:07

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Narce_ wrote:I have this crazy idea that it's not really a new development.

Sure, we've read a lot of articles about Lefevere looking for a sponsor - yup, lots of articles. As if their wins didn't grant them enough coverage. Surely no one wants to support the most successful team... (How long it took Vaughters to find a title sponsor last year?)

The last-minute announcement of securing their future created suspense: will they make it? Will they have to sell riders? (See Gaviria to UAE). More articles, more name dropping.

By the way, maybe I've just missed it, but were riders panicking about their future? The possibility of losing their place on the team or taking a paycut? Sure, Terpstra left, which is exactly one big name... and the narrative of 'not being able to keep such an expensive rider' sounds a bit more dramatic and memorable than 'he wants to seek new challenges' or 'he wants to be sole leader at a team' or whatever the usual PR comment is.

The idea of using 'Wolfpack' as a name -> branding. Calling them Wolfpack would give the impression that they are a TEAM, an entity, not just a bunch of riders sponsored paid to wear the name of a company.

And then the anticlimax of announcing a belgian window-making company. I think CN wrote that Lefevere didn't even had to leave his comfort zone. Surely they just didn't notice each other sooner...

Anyway, I'm glad that their future is secure.


Terpstra certainly did not like the offer, nor did Schachmann.So I believe some of the talk is true. Lefevere could not sign (big) contracts a few month ago. Only extension in that period was Lampaert but I dont think he gets the same amount of cash as Terpstra or Gaviria...

If the deal with Deceuninck was completed some time ago like you suggested, why would Terpstra leave? He had everything he wanted at QS. Captain of the best classics team out there and probably a very good contract. Or do you really think that DE is giving him so much more money?


IIRC, Lefevere said it was 50% more. But my memory doesn't serve me that well, lately.
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09 Oct 2018 13:14

tobydawq wrote:What's happening?

Two weeks without a win! This is the first time this has happened this season!


So now the sponsor thing is clear, back to winning races!
Nr 70 today.
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09 Oct 2018 13:23

tobydawq wrote:What's happening?

Two weeks without a win! This is the first time this has happened this season!


Normal service resumes in Turkey. Happy to see Richeze get a win, he's normally the set-up guy for others.

I suspect Lefevere has had the sponsor lined up for a while and was negotiating numbers. I suspect Terpstra got a generous offer, but Lefevere didn't see a reason to give anyone a raise, no matter how many monuments they've won for him; Terpstra won't win more races with DE, and Quickstep won't win less races without Terpstra.
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09 Oct 2018 13:30

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tobydawq wrote:What's happening?

Two weeks without a win! This is the first time this has happened this season!


Normal service resumes in Turkey. Happy to see Richeze get a win, he's normally the set-up guy for others.

I suspect Lefevere has had the sponsor lined up for a while and was negotiating numbers. I suspect Terpstra got a generous offer, but Lefevere didn't see a reason to give anyone a raise, no matter how many monuments they've won for him; Terpstra won't win more races with DE, and Quickstep won't win less races without Terpstra.

True, but it sounds like they still might lose Gaviria and they'll almost certainly win fewer races without him.
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09 Oct 2018 13:36

jaylew wrote:
Leinster wrote:
tobydawq wrote:What's happening?

Two weeks without a win! This is the first time this has happened this season!


Normal service resumes in Turkey. Happy to see Richeze get a win, he's normally the set-up guy for others.

I suspect Lefevere has had the sponsor lined up for a while and was negotiating numbers. I suspect Terpstra got a generous offer, but Lefevere didn't see a reason to give anyone a raise, no matter how many monuments they've won for him; Terpstra won't win more races with DE, and Quickstep won't win less races without Terpstra.

True, but it sounds like they still might lose Gaviria and they'll almost certainly win fewer races without him.


Or they'll just send Viviani to the Tour, and he'll win 3 stages. Did you miss what happened to Kittel this year?
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09 Oct 2018 13:36

dusty red roads wrote:Good news, though the real question is how does a non-Dutch speaker pronounce it?

This is my concern as well... :D
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09 Oct 2018 13:38

I'll be going with De-kuy-nink, until someone demonstrates otherwise with certainty.
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09 Oct 2018 13:41

Leinster wrote:I'll be going with De-kuy-nink, until someone demonstrates otherwise with certainty.


I don't think that English has the right pronunciation for the "eu" vowel. Eurosport's Jose Been has the correct pronunciation: https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/1049414895689785345
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09 Oct 2018 13:45

Leinster wrote:
jaylew wrote:
Leinster wrote:
tobydawq wrote:What's happening?

Two weeks without a win! This is the first time this has happened this season!


Normal service resumes in Turkey. Happy to see Richeze get a win, he's normally the set-up guy for others.

I suspect Lefevere has had the sponsor lined up for a while and was negotiating numbers. I suspect Terpstra got a generous offer, but Lefevere didn't see a reason to give anyone a raise, no matter how many monuments they've won for him; Terpstra won't win more races with DE, and Quickstep won't win less races without Terpstra.

True, but it sounds like they still might lose Gaviria and they'll almost certainly win fewer races without him.


Or they'll just send Viviani to the Tour, and he'll win 3 stages. Did you miss what happened to Kittel this year?

Kittel? What on earth does he have to do with anything? Kittel was replaced with Viviani. They wouldn't be replacing Gaviria with another top flight sprinter. You're kidding yourself if you think they'll win the same amount of races without Gaviria as they did with him. Having Gav and Viv meant they could have a top level sprinter at more races. Viviani can't be everywhere and the young guys are good but they're not Gaviria.
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10 Oct 2018 09:34

rghysens wrote:
Akuryo wrote:Terpstra certainly did not like the offer, nor did Schachmann.So I believe some of the talk is true. Lefevere could not sign (big) contracts a few month ago. Only extension in that period was Lampaert but I dont think he gets the same amount of cash as Terpstra or Gaviria...

If the deal with Deceuninck was completed some time ago like you suggested, why would Terpstra leave? He had everything he wanted at QS. Captain of the best classics team out there and probably a very good contract. Or do you really think that DE is giving him so much more money?


IIRC, Lefevere said it was 50% more. But my memory doesn't serve me that well, lately.


Yes, I think Direct Energie is willing to pay much for a rider who can get them out of the 'also run' category. Voeckler retired last year, Coquard left, Chavanel retired now, they don't really have distinctive, big names anymore, just the usual random french breakaway riders.

But I've read the interview with Lefevere since then :)
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10 Oct 2018 19:12

Leinster wrote:I'll be going with De-kuy-nink, until someone demonstrates otherwise with certainty.

Sounds like
curb
curve
surf

English speakers, it's probably best pronounced as "De Kerning".
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11 Oct 2018 04:15

Thanks, sounds easier to say than when reading it!
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11 Oct 2018 07:15

Logic-is-your-friend wrote:
Leinster wrote:I'll be going with De-kuy-nink, until someone demonstrates otherwise with certainty.

Sounds like
curb
curve
surf

English speakers, it's probably best pronounced as "De Kerning".



There's no "r" in De Ceuninck

Just pronounce it as TheKing which is the literal tanslation
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11 Oct 2018 07:30

Why does a "ce" result in a k sound? I didn't think any Latin pr Germanic languages could do that.
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11 Oct 2018 10:05

tobydawq wrote:Why does a "ce" result in a k sound? I didn't think any Latin pr Germanic languages could do that.


You shouldn't see it as c+e, but c+eu. And eu is like the French eu (as in Bleu, Dieu, ...) or your Danish ø.
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11 Oct 2018 10:22

Valanga wrote:
tobydawq wrote:Why does a "ce" result in a k sound? I didn't think any Latin pr Germanic languages could do that.


You shouldn't see it as c+e, but c+eu. And eu is like the French eu (as in Bleu, Dieu, ...) or your Danish ø.


Yes, but if you had a French word with the letter combination "ceu" it would be an s-sound. If you wanted a k-sound you would then have to spell it queu.
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