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17 Feb 2018 11:19

GuyIncognito wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:When did Lutsenko learn to climb?
Sure, it's not the longest climb, but ffs


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That was a 3km climb. If that makes you a climber, Gilbert is a climber

Also, great finish by Pearson



The climb is 5.7 KM at 10.5% (usual Vuelta climb)
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Re: Re:

17 Feb 2018 11:20

GuyIncognito wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:When did Lutsenko learn to climb?
Sure, it's not the longest climb, but ffs


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That was a 3km climb. If that makes you a climber, Gilbert is a climber

Also, great finish by Pearson


3km last year, 5km this year and so on. He just lost last year's fat.
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17 Feb 2018 11:20

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Arredondo wrote:Jesus Herrada just shows he's got everything to be a great standard-bearer for Spain in the coming years.

It's great for himself and for us cyclingfans he left Movistar, but for the Spanish team it means they had to say goodbye to the natural successor of Balaverde.


This is probably the biggest exaggeration I've heard so far this year.


I don't mean in terms of talent/amount of wins.

But we're talking about a Spanish rider who combines explosivity with really good climbing legs. Those type of riders are rare. He can do well in the classics, stage races and maybe also in GT's.

For a Spanish WT team, signing him would have been equal to a winning lottery. Movistar should have give him more freedom/confidence.
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17 Feb 2018 11:20

DNP-Old wrote:Image

:cool:


Not even more than France despite already having the NC. :cool:
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17 Feb 2018 11:22

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DNP-Old wrote:Image

:cool:


Not even more than France despite already having the NC. :cool:

Unlike France, we don't have 3783478347 classified UCI races. :cool:
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17 Feb 2018 11:24

HelloDolly wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:When did Lutsenko learn to climb?
Sure, it's not the longest climb, but ffs


[/img]


That was a 3km climb. If that makes you a climber, Gilbert is a climber

Also, great finish by Pearson



The climb is 5.7 KM at 10.5% (usual Vuelta climb)



3km

Image
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17 Feb 2018 11:26

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Lutsenko has climbed well before. He just had some youth fat in the previous years that kept him from climbing consistently. But he definitely had some strong showings in mountains before.

I for one applaud Lutsenko on his amazing GC win.


If he "definitely had some strong showings in mountains before" maybe you can show some examples?

As far as I can see you can count top-20 finishes in mountain stages on one hand with most of them being from breaks.

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=18455&year=0&all=1&current=0
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17 Feb 2018 11:35

DNP-Old wrote:
roundabout wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:Image

:cool:


Not even more than France despite already having the NC. :cool:

Unlike France, we don't have 3783478347 classified UCI races. :cool:


You mean unlike France who did not have the chance to pad the win total in crappy 2.2 races yet. :cool:
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17 Feb 2018 11:41

I hope Herrada can keep his legs going, there can be some nice stages for him in P-N, Dauphine and especially from breaks or reduced finishes in TdF. Could finally end Cofidis' TdF stage drought

On the topic of Herrada's post-Movistar success, Gorka has also had some nice results since he left the team. This is becoming a trend after Ion left, although injury stopped him showing his full class last year. Fernandez may feel he needs to do the same, although he is contracted until 2019. Hopefully Movistar can find chances regularly for Soler and Roson to lead in the coming seasons now Jesus, Gorka and Ion have left.
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17 Feb 2018 11:47

GuyIncognito wrote:
HelloDolly wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:When did Lutsenko learn to climb?
Sure, it's not the longest climb, but ffs


[/img]


That was a 3km climb. If that makes you a climber, Gilbert is a climber

Also, great finish by Pearson



The climb is 5.7 KM at 10.5% (usual Vuelta climb)



3km

Image



Here is the link to procycling stats that shows the climb at 5.7km at 10.5%

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-of-oman/2018/stage-5-gc/today/profiles
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17 Feb 2018 11:58

You are talking about two different climbs.
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17 Feb 2018 12:09

That's today's climb. It's double the length of the Vuelta climb he won on. Which is my point.
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17 Feb 2018 12:23

roundabout wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:Image

:cool:


Not even more than France despite already having the NC. :cool:


Does National Championships even count in this? Generally speaking a national championship is won by someone from the country in question.
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17 Feb 2018 13:03

Said it in the Moser thread a few days ago. Astana as a whole seems to have stepped it up a notch or 2 this year. Hopefully this will be Lutsenko's big breakthrough year!! :)
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17 Feb 2018 13:42

Yeeees, finaly Lutsenko!!

This will be his year
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17 Feb 2018 14:22

RedheadDane wrote:
roundabout wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:Image

:cool:


Not even more than France despite already having the NC. :cool:


Does National Championships even count in this? Generally speaking a national championship is won by someone from the country in question.

Not always.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race_history.asp?raceid=33937
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17 Feb 2018 14:32

RedheadDane wrote:
roundabout wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:Image

:cool:


Not even more than France despite already having the NC. :cool:


Does National Championships even count in this? Generally speaking a national championship is won by someone from the country in question.

Yes, it counts but I don't see the point bringing that in February... Furthermore, when the Continental circuit is a joke and no 10+ wins available at Vuelta a Colombia this year.
This is not to compare the amount of pro riders and less so the quantity of first class sprinters
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17 Feb 2018 14:58

Geraint Too Fast wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:
roundabout wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:Image

:cool:


Not even more than France despite already having the NC. :cool:


Does National Championships even count in this? Generally speaking a national championship is won by someone from the country in question.

Not always.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race_history.asp?raceid=33937


Hence the little word "generally".
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17 Feb 2018 16:36

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Arredondo wrote:Jesus Herrada just shows he's got everything to be a great standard-bearer for Spain in the coming years.

It's great for himself and for us cyclingfans he left Movistar, but for the Spanish team it means they had to say goodbye to the natural successor of Balaverde.



Herreda is a good rider, but no he is not the natural successor of Valverde. Not even close.

Yeah, I have always like Herrada and I really enjoy his recent success, but its really not even close. Still, its great that Cofidis finally will be half relevant again - Herrada can do a great Paris-Nice and hopefully get a TdF-stage win. Great transfer for Cofidis.
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17 Feb 2018 16:49

This is a 5.7 km @10.5%. Not exactly a Murito, but a long Murito. Lutsenko stepped up a notch to be honest.
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