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08 Oct 2018 21:14

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Midnightfright wrote:The absolute last team I want Sosa to join but it can be decent for development. Take Egan as an example he has had a good year and winning in California is nothing to sniff your nose up at. Of course he has spent most of the year riding for others. At there age I wouldn't say that is a negative as such.

The counter point of course that Bernal would of done more leading another team, probably but his long-term GT prospects probably look brighter

Bernal actually only rode for others in the Tour, and the Colombian championships. He was leader at the Tour Down Under, he won the Oro y Paz, although he wasn't outright leader there, then he was about to finish second in Catalunya, he finished second in Romandie, even though he may not have started as the leader, he had a protected status. Then he won California and he was a domestique in the Tour. He probably was the leader for San Sebastian and then rode for others in his two comeback races so far, but he definitely didn't spend most of the year slaving for others.

Wasn't even assigned as a domestique in the Tour either. No dom rides that hard on his own to save a GC in the first stage or gets helped back to the front by two teammates in the Roubaix stage.

Yes, he managed to get a result for himself as well. Anyway, my point stands ;)
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08 Oct 2018 21:52

Smart move by Sosa. Like them or not, Sky is the best team in the world. With their payroll, they can offer riders the best coaches and facilities in the world. Sosa is playing the long game.
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09 Oct 2018 08:31

Grmay to Mitchelton-Scott for two years.
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09 Oct 2018 09:04

Ben Swift returning to Sky next year looks a possibility.
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Re: Transfers and Rumours 2018 > 2019

09 Oct 2018 09:33

Looks like EF's roster is already complete, even though not all riders have been confirmed so far.

Rapha's promotional material does say "27 riders, 13 nationalities", which indicates they already know all the riders for 2019. This number is certainly about 2019, because in 2018, they started with 25 riders and added 26th in Van den Berg. With trainees it's 29 so it doesn't match.

According to procyclingstats, they have 24 riders from 13 nationalities (i hope I count this right) for 2019 but that includes Villalobos who is only joining from summer. I'm assuming he doesn't count because it was reported that WT teams need at least 27 riders and they would start the year with 26, which would be too few according to the rules.

In this case they would need 4 riders more including 1 "new" nationality. That might be Tom Scully, because there are no other New Zealanders.

The other option is that they count Villalobos because he is being paid by EF since January. That would leave Scully out for sure and would indicate there won't be any riders joining from countries that are not already present in their roster.

In any case, looks like at least two from: Van Asbroeck, McLay, Dombrowski, Martinez, Scully and Canty are leaving. There are not many clues, because apart from Scully, everybody else is of nationality already present in the roster. CQ has been showing Martinez as staying for a long time but I don't know if this is reliable as I had read stories about 1-year deal and there were no news about extension. But I think he would be announced already elsewhere if he was to leave.
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09 Oct 2018 10:11

The minimum riders number of 27 will be effective from 2020 (as of other thing announced in the so called "reform" of the local french mayor), next year the rules will be the same we actually have in place.
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09 Oct 2018 10:50

Grmay is another decent moneyball signing by Mitchelton Scott. He can provide support in the mountains.
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09 Oct 2018 11:41

Moviefan1203 wrote:Smart move by Sosa. Like them or not, Sky is the best team in the world. With their payroll, they can offer riders the best coaches and facilities in the world. Sosa is playing the long game.


Well it's not that easy. Overall level between athletes is superhigh and it's not easy to get to a-team.
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09 Oct 2018 12:14

Narvaez to SKY. Quickstep will not buy new riders. Team (23) is complete.
Vakoc= renewed contract if doctors gives green light about his health.
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Re: Transfers and Rumours 2018 > 2019

09 Oct 2018 12:32

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/benat-intxausti-leave-team-sky-euskadi-murias-396791

Inxausti leaving Sky. Such a shame for him it never worked out with SKy, always liked him as a rdier, lets hope he gets over the illness and has somewhat retunr to form to c9ontinue his career
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09 Oct 2018 12:33

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Moviefan1203 wrote:Smart move by Sosa. Like them or not, Sky is the best team in the world. With their payroll, they can offer riders the best coaches and facilities in the world. Sosa is playing the long game.


Well it's not that easy. Overall level between athletes is superhigh and it's not easy to get to a-team.


Depends what the rider's objective long term goals are. I would argue it's probably more controlled and predictable on your career, at least at first when so young, to try get into the top of Team Sky using Team Sky's staff at first if you have the chance, rather than try and be beating them from a lower-performing GT squad where you could be leader earlier. He has so much time to develop, he might as well aim as high as he can now in Sky and ride that wave, then can always fall back on other teams if it doesn't work out and catch another.
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09 Oct 2018 13:24

Bakkie wrote:Narvaez to SKY. Quickstep will not buy new riders. Team (23) is complete.
Vakoc= renewed contract if doctors gives green light about his health.


Jesus Christ. So next year Sky’s 23 and under riders are likely to include Bernal, Sosa, Geoghegan Hart, Dunbar, Sivakov, Halvorsen, Hayter, Narvaez etc.
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09 Oct 2018 13:40

Bakkie wrote:Narvaez to SKY. Quickstep will not buy new riders. Team (23) is complete.
Vakoc= renewed contract if doctors gives green light about his health.


where did you read that?
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09 Oct 2018 14:25

Lexman wrote:
Bakkie wrote:Narvaez to SKY. Quickstep will not buy new riders. Team (23) is complete.
Vakoc= renewed contract if doctors gives green light about his health.


where did you read that?


Het Nieuwsblad
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09 Oct 2018 14:26

Lexman wrote:
Bakkie wrote:Narvaez to SKY. Quickstep will not buy new riders. Team (23) is complete.
Vakoc= renewed contract if doctors gives green light about his health.


where did you read that?


Lefevre told it in the belgian news paper, HLN. Click on the picture for a bigger size.

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09 Oct 2018 14:59

Could you provide a translation of the main parts?
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09 Oct 2018 15:22

RedheadDane wrote:Could you provide a translation of the main parts?


The new sponsor for the cycling team of Patrick Lefevere lives at the cycling manager in Roeselare around the corner. Quick.Step Floors will be called Deceuninck-QuickStep in 2019. Deceuninck is a listed multinational and makes PVC profiles for windows and doors. A "multi-year" agreement has been concluded with Lefevere.
Lefevere's search for a new sponsor took months, even years. And she went around the world. In the end, one phone call from Roeselare, where Patrick Lefevere lives, was enough.

One month ago Deceuninck's marketing director asked if there was still room for the jerseys. And if they could talk. That was possible. The rest is history. The contract was completed in less than a month and was signed last night.

Long-term
Lefevere has found a sponsor for the long term. "Those people are not planning to enter cycling for one or two years. Deceuninck does not believe in short-term politics, "says Lefevere. "A sponsorship of three or four years has no effect," says CEO Francis Van Eeckhout.

Deceuninck has an annual turnover of almost 700 million euros. The company employs 4,000 people and is listed on a stock exchange. It has offices in Belgium, Great Britain, Spain, France, Germany, Poland, Russia, Colombia, Turkey, USA, India and Chile.

The new contract comes just in time. Zdenek Bakala, the Czech owner of the team, will stop sponsoring in 2019. Lefevere already had a plan B. "And that would have hurt." But so far it should not come.

Amounts were not mentioned yesterday, but with the arrival of Deceuninck Lefevere remains at the same budget level as in previous years. Lefevere: "Deceuninck is not a sponsor with whom I can make a team. But that is not necessary. The brands Quick.Step, Latexco, Lidl and Specialized, who are already sponsor of the team, will continue until 2021. We do not have to have the biggest budget of the world, if we are the most winning team and also a little sympathetic. Budget is important, but not everything. "(MG)

"If tomorrow comes a mad billionaire from Mexico who wants to buy this team, he can have them." Patrick Lefevere had not said no. Because money does not smell. But it has not come so far. Deceuninck, from Roeselare, is the new sponsor that ensures the future of the team. "There has been a lot of stress."

You have just signed a multi-year contract with a new sponsor. You can not retire yet.
"Indeed, this is not the right time. The partners we have, like to keep me on board as a kind of security. I am old and wise enough to delegate. In the long term I must be able to figure out something that two or three people take on the actual leadership of the team, under my supervision. "

You have succeeded in finding a new sponsor.
"I will not say that my vanity has not been caressed. Stress has fallen away from me. "
"I am not easily jealous. But a sponsor like Jumbo who signed an agreement for six years, something like that was never granted to me. We won nearly seventy victories this year. We are the most successful team for six years in a row. We can now continue on that momentum. I do not promise seventy victories next year. But that we are going for quality and quantity. "

You say: the future of the team is insured for three years.
"We have ongoing agreements with our current sponsors: Quick.Step, Lidl and Specialized. These are agreements concluded in 2017. Then it was said: until 2019, with an option for 2020 or 2021. With Latexco I only have a contract because I have to. Every year we extend the sponsorship with a handshake. "
"Now comes Deceuninck, that is a contract for several years. They also know something about marketing there. They know that you do not have to step into that story for two years. Then you might as well throw your money into the river. "

Deceuninck is Belgian, your team is Belgian.
"This may sound coarse, but money does not smell. If tomorrow comes a mad billionaire from Mexico who wants to buy this team, he can have them. "

Where did the story Fernando Gaviria suddenly come from? Did you have to sell it because the water was on your lips. And will he stay now?
"A rider who is made crazy about what he can earn does not have to stay with me. We will come back to it. But what has now been said about Gaviria and Mas (Gaviria would go to UAE where he could earn two million euros, Mas would make the switch to Astana, ed.) Is not true at all. Mas does not go to Astana. Not as long as he is under contract with me. The last word has not yet been said about Gaviria. Jhonatan Narvaez is leaving, to Team Sky. At least: if they deposit the money into my account. "

And if you had not taken Deceuninck on board as a sponsor ...
"Then I would have to let Gaviria go. Like I let Niki Terpstra go. If I had not found this new sponsor, then in 2019 Niki Terpstra no longer ran the contract terms he has today. I did not want that on my conscience either. It is a painful goodbye for each of us, but with a good outcome. "

Zdenek Bakala, the owner of the team, will stop the sponsorship in 2019. It was high time you found a new sponsor.
"I had a plan B. I will not explain that. I can only say that it had hurt. Bakala would originally only sponsor for four years. It has been six years. He is still the main shareholder. If he says tomorrow, "I sold the team," I have to accept that. But it is true that he would no longer sponsor next year. "

Then you were lucky.
"Happiness does not exist."

You only received a phone call from Deceuninck's marketing director a month ago. If that phone call had come a month later, you had a problem.
"I would have been stupid if I had not taken into account a worst case scenario. But now I'm back in a bestcase story. "
"I negotiated with CEO Francis Van Eeckhout. I did not know him. We have been at his home. We did not want to put the company in turmoil. With my famous head the stories would have gone a course. The negotiations took half an hour. Then we had an agreement. "

The team is still doing well, you only keep 23 riders on board.
"I plan to ride fewer races next year. And there is the question mark Petr Vakoc (the Czech was badly injured in a January collision in South Africa and did not race this year, ed.). I paid Vakoc for a whole year. I did not have to do that. He also had a nice contract. I have proposed to him that he may stay, provided that we get the agreement of the professors who must give him the medical approval to race, but then to the minimum contract for WorldTel level. "
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09 Oct 2018 15:42

"I paid Vakoc the whole year, I did not need to do that"

Gracious as always.
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09 Oct 2018 16:00

Hmm... then I'm kinda curious about Honore - and Peak for that matter, but haven't heard much from him.
After the U23 RR Honore pretty much stated that he already had a contract, but couldn't reveal anything yet.
Or... maybe that's why he can't - or won't - reveal anyhing; because it's not with Quickstep.
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09 Oct 2018 17:46

Red Rick wrote:"I paid Vakoc the whole year, I did not need to do that"

Gracious as always.

It's true though.
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