Log in:  

Register

Offical Wout Van Aert isn't a new Zdenek Stybar

A place to discuss all things related to current professional road races. Here, you can also touch on the latest news relating to professional road racing. A doping discussion free forum.

Moderators: Eshnar, Irondan, King Boonen, Red Rick, Pricey_sky

01 Sep 2018 15:22

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wout-van-aert-unhappy-about-move-to-new-roompot-crelan-team/

Hopefully he can have a good CX season and worry about the rest later. This could be key to keeping him on track for the dirt: "Albert explained in Het Laatste Nieuws on Wednesday that he had left the team to spend more time with his young family, and that he was available to help Van Aert if he needed him."
jmdirt
Senior Member
 
Posts: 3,233
Joined: 06 Dec 2013 17:33

02 Sep 2018 19:02

Anyone can translate the last tweet of Van Aert? Seems like he is saying that tomorrow will be his last race in blue.

https://twitter.com/WoutvanAert/status/1036305922551885824
User avatar Ricco'
Member
 
Posts: 1,269
Joined: 14 Aug 2012 18:41
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

Re:

02 Sep 2018 19:07

Ricco' wrote:Anyone can translate the last tweet of Van Aert? Seems like he is saying that tomorrow will be his last race in blue.

https://twitter.com/WoutvanAert/status/1036305922551885824


Don't you think it's because he will be riding in the rainbow stripes in the cross races (hence not in blue)?
User avatar tobydawq
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,103
Joined: 16 Nov 2013 18:45
Location: Denmark

Re:

02 Sep 2018 19:23

Ricco' wrote:Anyone can translate the last tweet of Van Aert? Seems like he is saying that tomorrow will be his last race in blue.

https://twitter.com/WoutvanAert/status/1036305922551885824


Nice/beautiful race #AntwerpPortEpic ! Some bad luck, hence a defensive and difficult race situation. Actually cornered by Roompot ;) #karmaisabitch #indesandwich #tussendetaco Nothing is so bad that you can't laugh with it! Tomorrow, my last race in blue, dernycriterium in Wetteren.

Also, tweets have a translate button right below the tweet. Not perfect, but usually good enough to understand what he's saying.
User avatar Logic-is-your-friend
Member
 
Posts: 1,143
Joined: 07 Jun 2011 12:17

Re: Re:

04 Sep 2018 08:23

tobydawq wrote:
Ricco' wrote:Anyone can translate the last tweet of Van Aert? Seems like he is saying that tomorrow will be his last race in blue.

https://twitter.com/WoutvanAert/status/1036305922551885824


Don't you think it's because he will be riding in the rainbow stripes in the cross races (hence not in blue)?


Crelan - Charles don't ride in blue, as far as I remember. I took it as a confirmation he will leave the team next year.

I tried the auto translate but I didn't really understand ir, especially the Roompot part.
User avatar Ricco'
Member
 
Posts: 1,269
Joined: 14 Aug 2012 18:41
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

Re: Re:

04 Sep 2018 10:41

Ricco' wrote:
tobydawq wrote:
Ricco' wrote:Anyone can translate the last tweet of Van Aert? Seems like he is saying that tomorrow will be his last race in blue.

https://twitter.com/WoutvanAert/status/1036305922551885824


Don't you think it's because he will be riding in the rainbow stripes in the cross races (hence not in blue)?


Crelan - Charles don't ride in blue, as far as I remember. I took it as a confirmation he will leave the team next year.

I tried the auto translate but I didn't really understand ir, especially the Roompot part.

Roompot has orange jerseys. I any case it is his last race for good old Verandas.
janraaskalt
Member
 
Posts: 966
Joined: 03 Jan 2010 10:41

Re: Offical Wout Van Aert isn't a new Zdenek Stybar

09 Sep 2018 15:21

Wout Van Aert has announced his program for the coming cyclocross season.
September
16 sep. – Brico Cross Geraardsbergen
23 sep. – Wereldbeker Waterloo
28 sep. – Wereldbeker Iowa City
Oktober
6 okt. – Brico Cross Meulebeke
7 okt. – Brico Cross Ronse
13 okt. – Brico Cross Lokeren
14 okt. – Superprestige Gieten
18 okt. – Ardooie
21 okt. – Wereldbeker Bern
28 okt. – Superprestige Ruddervoorde
November
1 nov. – DVV Trofee Koppenberg
4 nov. – EK veldrijden Rosmalen
11 nov. – Superprestige Gavere
17 nov. – Wereldbeker Tabor
24 nov. – Wachtebeke
25 nov. – Wereldbeker Koksijde
December
15 dec. – DVV Trofee Antwerpen
16 dec. – Superprestige Zonhoven
23 dec. – Wereldbeker Namen
26 dec. – Wereldbeker Zolder
28 dec. DVV Trofee Loenhout
29 dec. Brico Cross Bredene
30 dec. Superprestige Diegem
Januari
6 jan. – La Mézière
13 jan. – BK veldrijden Kruibeke
14 jan. – Otegem
20 jan. – Wereldbeker Pontchateau
27 jan.- Wereldbeker Hoogerheide
Februari
3 feb. – WK Bogense
6 feb. – Brico Cross Maldegem
Tim Booth
Member
 
Posts: 402
Joined: 18 Aug 2017 08:13

18 Sep 2018 06:04

Here we go. Van Aert has terminated his contract with Sniper.
Devil's Elbow
New Member
 
Posts: 29
Joined: 20 Sep 2017 19:50
Location: The Netherlands

18 Sep 2018 06:46

So what now?
He signs with another WT team?
User avatar SafeBet
Veteran
 
Posts: 7,136
Joined: 02 Sep 2011 13:38
Location: Milano, Italy

Re:

18 Sep 2018 07:48

SafeBet wrote:So what now?
He signs with another WT team?

Now the lawyers will talk... plus he's signed already with Lotto since 2020 (?) so there is only a 1 year/season to "play" with...
Shut up, Jens!
glassmoon
Member
 
Posts: 1,536
Joined: 19 May 2012 08:56

18 Sep 2018 08:47

Kabooom. A man of principles, I like that. Rumour has it that he has to pay half a million. I wonder if Jumbo is going to cover that (or a part of it), because that's pretty huge.
User avatar Flamin
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,706
Joined: 04 Jan 2011 00:31

18 Sep 2018 09:22

As per contract template prescribed by the UCI, rider may terminate the contract under these conditions:
1. The Rider may terminate the present contract, without notice or liability:

A. if the Employer is declared bankrupt or insolvent or goes into liquidation.

B. if the name of the UCI professional continental team or its principal partners is changed during the course of the calendar year without the approval provided for in article 2.16.018 of the UCI cycling regulations.

C. if the Employer or a principal partner withdraws from the UCI professional continental team and the continuity of the UCI professional continental team is not guaranteed or else if the UCI professional continental team announces its dissolution, the winding up of its activities or its inability to meet its commitments; should the announcement be made for a given date, the Rider shall continue to perform the contract until that date.

D. in the event of serious misconduct on the part of the Employer. Serious misconduct is considered to include a failure to permit the Rider, despite his repeated requests, to participate in competitions over a continuous period in excess of 6 weeks or over four discontinuous periods of 7 days each, during which periods at least 1 one-day race on the international calendar took place. Where relevant, the Employer shall be required to prove that the Rider was not in a condition to take part in a race.

E. if on 1st October of the year preceding the registration year covered by the present contract, the continental professional team has not submitted registration documents containing the required documents set out in Article 2.16.014bis, this right of termination lapses on the registration of the team in the first or second division.

It will be interesting to see if his lawyers try to use the serious misconduct clause, which seems to be the only viable option from the above (unless something else occurred from the above which we do not know yet).
PeterB
Member
 
Posts: 534
Joined: 20 Feb 2012 13:53

Re:

18 Sep 2018 10:17

PeterB wrote:As per contract template prescribed by the UCI, rider may terminate the contract under these conditions:
1. The Rider may terminate the present contract, without notice or liability:

A. if the Employer is declared bankrupt or insolvent or goes into liquidation.

B. if the name of the UCI professional continental team or its principal partners is changed during the course of the calendar year without the approval provided for in article 2.16.018 of the UCI cycling regulations.

C. if the Employer or a principal partner withdraws from the UCI professional continental team and the continuity of the UCI professional continental team is not guaranteed or else if the UCI professional continental team announces its dissolution, the winding up of its activities or its inability to meet its commitments; should the announcement be made for a given date, the Rider shall continue to perform the contract until that date.

D. in the event of serious misconduct on the part of the Employer. Serious misconduct is considered to include a failure to permit the Rider, despite his repeated requests, to participate in competitions over a continuous period in excess of 6 weeks or over four discontinuous periods of 7 days each, during which periods at least 1 one-day race on the international calendar took place. Where relevant, the Employer shall be required to prove that the Rider was not in a condition to take part in a race.

E. if on 1st October of the year preceding the registration year covered by the present contract, the continental professional team has not submitted registration documents containing the required documents set out in Article 2.16.014bis, this right of termination lapses on the registration of the team in the first or second division.

It will be interesting to see if his lawyers try to use the serious misconduct clause, which seems to be the only viable option from the above (unless something else occurred from the above which we do not know yet).

Thought he'll use the lack of communication from team management side as a misconduct but there is no such thing in that paragraph. And I'm not aware of any denying him to start any races by his team... :Question:
Shut up, Jens!
glassmoon
Member
 
Posts: 1,536
Joined: 19 May 2012 08:56

18 Sep 2018 11:12

I can understand his decision, since the team basically IS Van Aert. He's not just one of 30 top riders like at QuickStep or Sky. The only reason the team exists is Van Aert. Obviously, trading, selling, merging without his knowing... would be seen as personal betrayal by Van Aert. Maybe he won't win in court, but i can completely understand where he's coming from. I guess he'll just have to win a couple more CX races this winter :-)
User avatar Logic-is-your-friend
Member
 
Posts: 1,143
Joined: 07 Jun 2011 12:17

18 Sep 2018 17:51

Apparently something happened this weekend that made any further commitment impossible, according to his lawyer, thus ending the contract. Curious what that's all about.
User avatar Flamin
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,706
Joined: 04 Jan 2011 00:31

Re:

18 Sep 2018 18:11

Flamin wrote:Apparently something happened this weekend that made any further commitment impossible, according to his lawyer, thus ending the contract. Curious what that's all about.

Yep.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-aert-set-to-ride-as-lonesome-cowboy-after-bitter-spat-with-team/

"Something happened last weekend that was the last drop, there were already a lot of shortcomings on the part of the employer, and that is something that has changed over the weekend, which is why we immediately terminated the employment contract," Van Steenbrugge told Sporza.
Shut up, Jens!
glassmoon
Member
 
Posts: 1,536
Joined: 19 May 2012 08:56

18 Sep 2018 18:59

He was also not informed about ongoing merger negotiations with Aqua -Blue squad. When disclosed by Aqua - Blue, he was badly surprised and in my opinion asked the team no further surprises like this. And he had the right to do so, since he was main reason for the partners to do the merger... .
User avatar lartiste
Member
 
Posts: 305
Joined: 29 Jul 2016 21:47

18 Sep 2018 19:15

Nuyens is simply making a huge mess out of everything
User avatar Dekker_Tifosi
Veteran
 
Posts: 24,042
Joined: 13 Mar 2009 23:52
Location: Roermond, the Netherlands

Re:

18 Sep 2018 19:43

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Nuyens is simply making a huge mess out of everything

Clearly not the right person to manage a team.
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 30,594
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

19 Sep 2018 11:00

Actually, I have realised that it is unclear whether Wout had two separate contracts (one for road and one for CX), or only one. The paying agent is the same for both teams, so just one contract would in theory be possible, provided this is permissible under the UCI rules. By the way, the UCI CX contract template includes slightly different conditions for its unilateral termination.

I just hope Wout was not ill-advised by his lawyers otherwise this may turn against him pretty badly.
PeterB
Member
 
Posts: 534
Joined: 20 Feb 2012 13:53

PreviousNext

Return to Professional road racing

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: tobydawq and 39 guests

Back to top