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08 Oct 2018 20:47

Mads Pedersen was 5th in Dwaars and won stages in Herald Sun Tour and Tour of Denmark. But yeah... sometimes consistency comes with age. He's still only 22.
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08 Oct 2018 20:55

I actually remember watching some award show back in 2015. The U23 team - consisting of the time of guys like Mads P, Mads W, Søren Kragh - won some kind of award. Well… those guys have joined the big boy's club, just need for Mads W to catch up.
And then Mads P broke the trophy... :lol:
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08 Oct 2018 20:59

Baldinger wrote:Mads Pedersen was 5th in Dwaars and won stages in Herald Sun Tour and Tour of Denmark. But yeah... sometimes consistency comes with age. He's still only 22.


In retrospect it was a clear mistake sending him to the Giro after such a long spring. Of course the team had put him on a schedule and couldnt know he would be so strong during the spring but he had been in nice shape and riding well from January through april and he seemed very tired after Roubaix. I believe going to the Giro took a toll on him for the rest of the season.

It might benefit him next year perhaps though, who knows
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08 Oct 2018 21:07

I think you're right... but then again. He didn't look that tired when he made his move on the last hill in l'Eurometropole. That was impressive.
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07 Mar 2019 11:00

Just shamelessly dragging this up again to post a bit of an observation.

The problem with those guys doing so well generally is that now I get disappointed when they don't do well, as opposed to (pleasantly) surprised when they do well.
And it's not just me, media's in on it too. Take Fuglsang's and Søren Kragh's recent second places in Andalucia and Algarve; I saw articles/headlines talking about how those second places were "disappointing", a few years ago it would have been; "WoHOOO! THEY GOT SECOND!" (And I know, calling Fuglsang part of the "new" generation might be stretching the definition a little bit...)
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07 Mar 2019 16:17

RedheadDane wrote:Just shamelessly dragging this up again to post a bit of an observation.

The problem with those guys doing so well generally is that now I get disappointed when they don't do well, as opposed to (pleasantly) surprised when they do well.
And it's not just me, media's in on it too. Take Fuglsang's and Søren Kragh's recent second places in Andalucia and Algarve; I saw articles/headlines talking about how those second places were "disappointing", a few years ago it would have been; "WoHOOO! THEY GOT SECOND!" (And I know, calling Fuglsang part of the "new" generation might be stretching the definition a little bit...)

if you're going to 'stretch' Fuglsang (33), what about 'Denmark’s next big thing' (27)
https://www.velonews.com/2019/02/road/qa-michael-valgren-denmarks-next-big-thing-is-already-here_483668
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07 Mar 2019 18:06

I think Valgren is in the upper end of the "new" generation.
And perhaps - as the article implies - less "the next big thing", and more "the current big thing".
I did some counting a while back, and if I recall correctly then basically half the current crop of WT riders are under 25.
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07 Mar 2019 18:22

RedheadDane wrote:Just shamelessly dragging this up again to post a bit of an observation.

The problem with those guys doing so well generally is that now I get disappointed when they don't do well, as opposed to (pleasantly) surprised when they do well.
And it's not just me, media's in on it too. Take Fuglsang's and Søren Kragh's recent second places in Andalucia and Algarve; I saw articles/headlines talking about how those second places were "disappointing", a few years ago it would have been; "WoHOOO! THEY GOT SECOND!" (And I know, calling Fuglsang part of the "new" generation might be stretching the definition a little bit...)

Wowowowow. I know Jakob does not win often, but we should at least remember when he does.

Other than that I agree. Calling Jakob part of the 'new' danish generation is wrong from an age perspective, but he is racing in the same field as the so called new generation, so I can see why the mix up happens.
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07 Mar 2019 18:39

Thing is, Søren Kragh is the best rider from a talent perspective IMO (lets not include Julius Johansen, dunno where he stacks up), but dude cant get it right in the spring and constantly gets sick. Its a rider that can win Kuurne, Robubaix Liege and literally everything in between. I didnt watch Rolf Sørensen race, but its uncanny how similar of a skillset they have. Hope he is getting well and can contend in the cobbles, but he needs to get back ASAP.
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07 Mar 2019 18:44

Cance > TheRest wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:Just shamelessly dragging this up again to post a bit of an observation.

The problem with those guys doing so well generally is that now I get disappointed when they don't do well, as opposed to (pleasantly) surprised when they do well.
And it's not just me, media's in on it too. Take Fuglsang's and Søren Kragh's recent second places in Andalucia and Algarve; I saw articles/headlines talking about how those second places were "disappointing", a few years ago it would have been; "WoHOOO! THEY GOT SECOND!" (And I know, calling Fuglsang part of the "new" generation might be stretching the definition a little bit...)

Wowowowow. I know Jakob does not win often, but we should at least remember when he does.

Other than that I agree. Calling Jakob part of the 'new' danish generation is wrong from an age perspective, but he is racing in the same field as the so called new generation, so I can see why the mix up happens.


Right, I didn't specify that I meant that second places in the ITT... my bad.
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07 Mar 2019 18:48

I think it may be a smart decision to skip Strade for Kragh. People in the peloton say it's the hardest race day of the season (even if the distance is not overwhelming, the challenges begin almost instantaneously unlike the first flat 100 + km of the cobbled monuments), and it could be detrimental for him to be dragged through that race if he is still recovering.

But it's a very badly timed disease.
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07 Mar 2019 22:11

Just realised something; the thread-title doesn't actually specify that we're talking about the guys. I would personally love to see Cecilie Uttrup get a big (televised) win, in a large part simply to see how she'd react, thinking about how she reacted upon getting fourth in la Course.
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07 Mar 2019 22:15

RedheadDane wrote:Just realised something; the thread-title doesn't actually specify that we're talking about the guys. I would personally love to see Cecilie Uttrup get a big (televised) win, in a large part simply to see how she'd react, thinking about how she reacted upon getting fourth in la Course.


I think that LS showed perfectly well that we had forgotten some people on the first page.
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08 Mar 2019 12:42

Valv.Piti wrote:Thing is, Søren Kragh is the best rider from a talent perspective IMO


Maybe.

Mads Würtz Schmidt, Mikkel Bjerg, Magnus Cort go even above Søren Kragh from a talent perspective IMHO, but they have not reaped benefits and results out like SK. Well Mikkel B is very young yet. Mads W..dunno what holds him, he has two rainbow jerseys already and some days it can be seen he is lightspeed fast tt'er but.. :rolleyes:
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16 Mar 2019 17:52

Shameless plug!
I have no idea what Chris Juul is doing in that list in the beginning.
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memyselfandI wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:Thing is, Søren Kragh is the best rider from a talent perspective IMO


Maybe.

Mads Würtz Schmidt, Mikkel Bjerg, Magnus Cort go even above Søren Kragh from a talent perspective IMHO, but they have not reaped benefits and results out like SK. Well Mikkel B is very young yet. Mads W..dunno what holds him, he has two rainbow jerseys already and some days it can be seen he is lightspeed fast tt'er but.. :rolleyes:

Cort, no. Mads Schmidt, no. Those are far away from Kragh IMO.

Mikkel Bjerg is exciting for sure, but one dimensional.
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16 Mar 2019 20:47

"Bjerg" is just a terrible name for a time-trialer.
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memyselfandI wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:Thing is, Søren Kragh is the best rider from a talent perspective IMO


Maybe.

Mads Würtz Schmidt, Mikkel Bjerg, Magnus Cort go even above Søren Kragh from a talent perspective IMHO, but they have not reaped benefits and results out like SK. Well Mikkel B is very young yet. Mads W..dunno what holds him, he has two rainbow jerseys already and some days it can be seen he is lightspeed fast tt'er but.. :rolleyes:


What makes The Kraghen special, in my view, is his tactical sense....... and I agree completely with the comparison to Rolf Soerensen.

He had nothing he was best at, he wasn't the fastest, or the strongest, or the best on a TT bike, or a particularly great climber.

But, he had one of the best "noses" for sniffing out opportunity - a keen tactical sense - which brought him many victories.
- and was one of the most tenacious MOFOs the sport has ever seen.... which helped.

Kragh actually has greater potential, because he is a very good TT rider, and better than Soerensen was on most physical parameters.
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20 Mar 2019 15:51

Kraghen tactical sense, you mean like his little "sneak" attack during Paris-Tours? :p
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20 Mar 2019 16:38

Another winner
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