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GT: First Timers in GC Top 10?

Bernal
40
25%
Buchmann
18
11%
Caparaz
18
11%
Kwiatkowski
4
3%
Latour
22
14%
Roglic
33
21%
Soler
19
12%
Teuns
2
1%
Vuillermoz
No votes
Wellens
3
2%
 
Total votes : 159

16 May 2018 11:22

It's weird to think Thomas has never top 10'd especially when you consider he was one of the top favourites for last year's Giro before the blockhaus moto got involved
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16 May 2018 11:40

PremierAndrew wrote:It's weird to think Thomas has never top 10'd especially when you consider he was one of the top favourites for last year's Giro before the blockhaus moto got involved

He certainly wasn't outside of the British tabloids for the reason you just stated yourself!
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16 May 2018 13:13

staubsauger wrote:
PremierAndrew wrote:It's weird to think Thomas has never top 10'd especially when you consider he was one of the top favourites for last year's Giro before the blockhaus moto got involved

He certainly wasn't outside of the British tabloids for the reason you just stated yourself!


He was more fancied than Dumo before the start, after Quintana Nibs and Pinot
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16 May 2018 13:20

PremierAndrew wrote:
staubsauger wrote:
PremierAndrew wrote:It's weird to think Thomas has never top 10'd especially when you consider he was one of the top favourites for last year's Giro before the blockhaus moto got involved

He certainly wasn't outside of the British tabloids for the reason you just stated yourself!


He was more fancied than Dumo before the start, after Quintana Nibs and Pinot

Like I said, in the British tabloids!

Dumoulin actually already had a Vuelta top 10, while wearing the leaders jersey until the penultimate day, to his name.

Thomas hasn't even won the Tour of Switzerland like Giorgio Furlan! I'm pretty sure Furlan wasn't one of the hot favorites for the 1994 Giro d'Italia either.
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16 May 2018 13:20

Thomas might very well never top-10 in a GT.
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16 May 2018 16:16

One of the pleasures of this giro, for me, has been to witness Dennis going for GC. How do you all see Dennis' chances of a top 10 this giro? I'm guessing he'd be quite happy if anyone had told him at the start he was going to lie 7th in GC halfway into the giro. Even if he loses a couple of minutes on Zoncolan, he'd still be in contention if (when) he gains that time back in the ITT, or how do you see it?
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16 May 2018 16:18

I don´t believe him. Zoncolan will kill him and don´t forget about brutal 19th and 20th stage.
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16 May 2018 17:09

Cance > TheRest wrote:One of the pleasures of this giro, for me, has been to witness Dennis going for GC. How do you all see Dennis' chances of a top 10 this giro? I'm guessing he'd be quite happy if anyone had told him at the start he was going to lie 7th in GC halfway into the giro. Even if he loses a couple of minutes on Zoncolan, he'd still be in contention if (when) he gains that time back in the ITT, or how do you see it?

I fear he'll be a lot worse on multi climb stages than on one climb stages as that is just usually the case for TT specialists like him. I don't think he'll finish in the top ten but I won't completely rule it out.

On another note, Konrad just zubeldiad himself back into the top ten overall and is now sitting in 9th position. Considering he improved towards the end in last years giro I think a top ten might actually be possible for him, but obviously I'm biased so I don't know whether anyone will agree with me.
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16 May 2018 17:16

Gigs_98 wrote:
Cance > TheRest wrote:One of the pleasures of this giro, for me, has been to witness Dennis going for GC. How do you all see Dennis' chances of a top 10 this giro? I'm guessing he'd be quite happy if anyone had told him at the start he was going to lie 7th in GC halfway into the giro. Even if he loses a couple of minutes on Zoncolan, he'd still be in contention if (when) he gains that time back in the ITT, or how do you see it?

I fear he'll be a lot worse on multi climb stages than on one climb stages as that is just usually the case for TT specialists like him. I don't think he'll finish in the top ten but I won't completely rule it out.

On another note, Konrad just zubeldiad himself back into the top ten overall and is now sitting in 9th position. Considering he improved towards the end in last years giro I think a top ten might actually be possible for him, but obviously I'm biased so I don't know whether anyone will agree with me.


Isn't he a bit too explosive to be a Zubeldia?

Though I have to admit, he is the only rider in the top 30 I can't recognise when I see him.
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16 May 2018 17:17

tobydawq wrote:
Gigs_98 wrote:
Cance > TheRest wrote:One of the pleasures of this giro, for me, has been to witness Dennis going for GC. How do you all see Dennis' chances of a top 10 this giro? I'm guessing he'd be quite happy if anyone had told him at the start he was going to lie 7th in GC halfway into the giro. Even if he loses a couple of minutes on Zoncolan, he'd still be in contention if (when) he gains that time back in the ITT, or how do you see it?

I fear he'll be a lot worse on multi climb stages than on one climb stages as that is just usually the case for TT specialists like him. I don't think he'll finish in the top ten but I won't completely rule it out.

On another note, Konrad just zubeldiad himself back into the top ten overall and is now sitting in 9th position. Considering he improved towards the end in last years giro I think a top ten might actually be possible for him, but obviously I'm biased so I don't know whether anyone will agree with me.


Isn't he a bit too explosive to be a Zubeldia?

Though I have to admit, he is the only rider in the top 30 I can't recognise when I see him.

That's what makes it so impressive. He has a skill set perfect for going for stage wins but manages to not do so anyway. :D
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16 May 2018 17:22

Gigs_98 wrote:
Cance > TheRest wrote:One of the pleasures of this giro, for me, has been to witness Dennis going for GC. How do you all see Dennis' chances of a top 10 this giro? I'm guessing he'd be quite happy if anyone had told him at the start he was going to lie 7th in GC halfway into the giro. Even if he loses a couple of minutes on Zoncolan, he'd still be in contention if (when) he gains that time back in the ITT, or how do you see it?

I fear he'll be a lot worse on multi climb stages than on one climb stages as that is just usually the case for TT specialists like him. I don't think he'll finish in the top ten but I won't completely rule it out.

On another note, Konrad just zubeldiad himself back into the top ten overall and is now sitting in 9th position. Considering he improved towards the end in last years giro I think a top ten might actually be possible for him, but obviously I'm biased so I don't know whether anyone will agree with me.

I think the high mountains are probably too much for Konrad, but top 10 in the Vuelta should be doable for him.
Last year they made a mistake by sending him to the TdS after the Giro, he faded durning the 2nd half of the Tour de Suisse and was bad for the rest of the season.
Still, a top 10 in the Giro would be pretty good.
Rohan lost his best chance to get a top 10 last year when he crashed out of the Giro there was only 1 really hard mountain stage where he'd loose a ton of time and 70km of ITT.
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16 May 2018 17:43

Quite late to this thread, but I voted Egan, Buchmann and Carapaz. Roglic not yet. Jumbo is being cautious with him and don't want him to GC for at least another year. Kruijswijk's their man (no idea why tbh).
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22 May 2018 21:35

Carapaz, Bilbao looking OK in Giro for this, possibly Konrad, O;Conner or Oomen
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23 May 2018 20:36

axl wrote:I can't see Carapaz or Wellens doing it on this Giro, except if there is a LOT of DNF, or more probably if they manage to be on several 10+ minutes breakaways.


I don't get this. Carapaz has a minute over 11th place. He's surely the most likely option?
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23 May 2018 20:52

He could still loose time in the high mountains, but atm Rohan Dennis is doing pretty respectable for a TT specialist on such a route.
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23 May 2018 20:53

TMP402 wrote:
axl wrote:I can't see Carapaz or Wellens doing it on this Giro, except if there is a LOT of DNF, or more probably if they manage to be on several 10+ minutes breakaways.


I don't get this. Carapaz has a minute over 11th place. He's surely the most likely option?


The situation was a bit different on the before the race started, though. :p
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23 May 2018 20:58

RedheadDane wrote:
TMP402 wrote:
axl wrote:I can't see Carapaz or Wellens doing it on this Giro, except if there is a LOT of DNF, or more probably if they manage to be on several 10+ minutes breakaways.


I don't get this. Carapaz has a minute over 11th place. He's surely the most likely option?


The situation was a bit different on the before the race started, though. :p


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