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08 Jan 2019 21:02

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:
Lexman wrote:a change of his program
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it seems he'll ride some races in Flanders like Nokere Koerse
I know it's not official (yet), but if true, what would be the point of that? Strictly for commercial reasons?



he'll ride some flemish races to learn how to ride nervous races since in GT there are nervous stages as well

he just hopes to be able to follow the BIG men on a mountain top once this season but is well aware he might be off track after 2 km

https://sporza.be/nl/2019/01/08/evenepoel-op-stage/
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08 Jan 2019 21:22

Really expecting to follow the big boys at 19 years old?
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I came, I saw, I was dead wrong as per usual
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08 Jan 2019 21:31

Red Rick wrote:Really expecting to follow the big boys at 19 years old?


Does the poor sod really think he good hold Richie's wheel on Willunga Hill
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08 Jan 2019 21:35

He hopes he can follow the big boys once this season.

He's well aware he has alot to learn.
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08 Jan 2019 22:27

Red Rick wrote:Really expecting to follow the big boys at 19 years old?

Reading or listening comprehension can be a pain in the ***, i know.

He says his season would be a success if he could "once" finish among the favorites in an uphill finish. Unlike the big boys, he's not riding, nor peaking towards the Giro or Tour. Neither are all the big boys competing in the races he'll be entering. So, the few top riders that will be riding, say, San Juan, will very likely be far from their top form, while Evenepoel will be trying to make his mark as soon as the season starts.

Furthermore, he says: "and if instead i get dropped after two kilometers, so be it".

Nowhere is he "expecting" to follow the big boys. Let alone when they are in top form or on a regular basis.
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08 Jan 2019 23:57

How do you know that he means San Juan? From the context to me it seems more in reference to UAE.
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09 Jan 2019 01:17

At UAE it'll depend on the form the GC guys are on. So it's possible he could hold the wheel of some of them, although unlikely all of them. Even with Valverde going to the Giro we all know the type of form he has early in the season including the year he went to the Giro. Nibali (I think he's going) is always hit or miss with his form really at any point. So yes it's possible he could on one of the stages if that's something he trying to target. Is it likely, who knows.
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09 Jan 2019 03:50

Neither Nibali nor Valverde would be a real factor at the UAE race. Nibali wouldn't even top 10 it. It's Froome vs. Porte. Dumoulin is a joker, but I doubt he will be in real shape so early on with his double attempt.

BMC to pull off a bit better TTT than Sky. Froome and Porte to finish s/t on Jebel Hafeet with Froome outsprinting Porte and winning the stage. Froome to gain a bit of time on Hatta Dam, finishing 5th, with Porte way back in the explosive finale. Porte and Froome to finish 2nd and 3rd at Jebel Jais stage with a joker winning the stage. Froome to win by 10 seconds over Porte.
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09 Jan 2019 03:50

roundabout wrote:How do you know that he means San Juan? From the context to me it seems more in reference to UAE.

He doesn't necessarilly mean San Juan, neither did i say he did. He said once in the entire season would be a success. Doesn't matter if it's San Juan, or UAE, or whatever he's riding the rest of the year.

I said "say, San Juan". As in "for arguments sake".
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09 Jan 2019 03:59

WheelofGear wrote:Neither Nibali nor Valverde would be a real factor at the UAE race. Nibali wouldn't even top 10 it. It's Froome vs. Porte. Dumoulin is a joker, but I doubt he will be in real shape so early on with his double attempt.

BMC to pull off a bit better TTT than Sky. Froome and Porte to finish s/t on Jebel Hafeet with Froome outsprinting Porte and winning the stage. Froome to gain a bit of time on Hatta Dam, finishing 5th, with Porte way back in the explosive finale. Porte and Froome to finish 2nd and 3rd at Jebel Jais stage with a joker winning the stage. Froome to win by 10 seconds over Porte.



Why is that? Froome rarely is very good early in the season. Last time Valverde and Froome were in an early season race together was Catalonia 2017 where Valverde put on an master call in racing. Oh yeah a TTT in which Movistar was given a 1 minute penalty.
There is no BMC anymore and Porte is now at Trek. Froome won't be on the podium. He has 1 peak and that is for the Tour early in the season he's not as good as other top GC riders.
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09 Jan 2019 09:59

from today's flemish newspaper DE STANDAARD :

still very modest, says he will learn this year, says he's feeling almost guilty for the media attention he gets compared to other older riders, knows when he'll get dropped everyone will says 'he can"t deliver, it's too early", ask the public will give him some years to learn the metier, he has for instructions in San juan to just try to follow and go through the wall a few times...

Reportage Een dag in het spoor van kersverse prof en fenomeen Remco Evenepoel
‘Het is te gek voor woorden’

De entree van Remco Evenepoel in het profpeloton houdt de hele wielerwereld bezig. Op de persdag van zijn team ging gisteren alle aandacht naar de 18-jarige, die er echter rustig bij bleef: ‘Ik weet niet hoe het zal lopen, sorry.’

Hugo Coorevits

Calpe De mediatraining van Deceuninck-Quick Step was één grote Remco Evenepoel-show. Al bleef de Vlaams-Brabander ook bij het elfendertigste interview nog even cool als bij het eerste. Nog vooraleer het wereldsterretje gisterochtend aankwam in de tot kleedruimte omgedoopte vergaderzaal, gooiden fotografen en cameraploegen zich op zijn Specialized-fiets als was het gestolen paneel van het Lam Gods ineens in Calpe opgedoken.

Toen het supertalent van het Belgische wielrennen wat later in zijn koersschoenen kroop, ratelden de camera’s alsof Evenepoel voor het eerst de Tour had gewonnen. Pieter Serry, die toevallig naast hem zat, werd de voorbije negen profseizoenen nooit zo vaak gefotografeerd als gistermorgen. ‘Hey ‘Eddy’, da’s nog wat anders dan een ploegvoorstelling bij de junioren, hé’, grapte Yves Lampaert toen hij de vele journalisten zag die rond zijn piepjonge ploegmaat zwermden.

Philippe Gilbert, Yves Lampaert, Enric Mas en Bob Jungels – toch geen kleine jongens – kregen maar een vierde van de aandacht en waren blij dat ze zich zo vrij en ongestoord konden klaarmaken. Als je zoals Gilbert al aan je zeventiende jaar als prof begint, dan gun je de amper 18-jarige kroonprins het voetlicht. De Ardense leider van Deceuninck-Quick Step weet in deze groep renners beter dan wie ook in welk circus de ‘Belofte van 2018’ is terechtgekomen.

Merckx, Boonen, ...

Want het gaat hard met Remco Evenepoel. Vorig jaar zat hij nog – proevend van de WorldTourploeg als tweedejaarsjunior – volslagen anoniem achterin de zaal in het Suitopia Hotel in Calpe. Even zelfverzekerd als gisteren, dat wel, maar nog dromend van zijn doelen voor 2018. Dat waren vier truien: de provinciale, de nationale, de Europese en de regenboogtrui. Twaalf maanden later zijn die allemaal binnen en is er geen enkele 18-jarige wielrenner die wereldwijd zoveel naambekendheid heeft als hij. Zelfs Eddy Merckx en Tom Boonen hadden op die leeftijd nog niet zo’n naam.

De Franse sportkrant L’Equipe had gisteren minstens evenveel aandacht voor Evenepoel als voor de eigen chouchou Julian Alaphilippe. Het Spaanse Marca kwam voor Enric Mas en… Evenepoel. RTL, Eurosport, alle mogelijke zenders wilden Remco voor de camera. Geduldig bleef het wonderkind van Schepdaal herhalen dat hij voor 2019 ‘geen doel heeft’. Dat hij zelfs niet zal treuren als hij zijn eerste profseizoen zonder zege moet afsluiten. ‘Ik moet nog krachtiger worden, nog veel leren. Ik kom pas piepen.’

Francis Van Eeckhout, de ceo van Deceuninck Windows stond smakelijk te lachen toen hij het mediacircus aanschouwde. Maar ook ouwe getrouwen als Frans De **** van Quick Step Floors, Luc Maes van Latexco en de marketingmensen van Lidl keken met een brede glimlach naar het schouwspel. Na Boonen heeft Patrick Lefevere met Evenepoel opnieuw een renner met een immense star quality. ‘We zijn blij dat Remco bij ons rijdt’, zei De ****, die 21 jaar geleden met Quick Step in de wielrennerij stapte. ‘Ongelofelijk’, zei Wilfried Peeters, terwijl hij het hoofd schudde. De ploegleider was met Boonen nochtans wat gewoon. Het is alsof die tijden nu herleven. ‘We hadden twee cameraploegen bij op training. Aldoor vroegen ze: We willen Evenepoel. Waar zit hij in de groep?’

De tiener zelf bleef er stoïcijns en uitermate professioneel bij. Erover wakend dat hij boven op het dak van het Suitopia Hotel niet te veel in de tocht stond, want op 27 januari moet hij al aan de bak in de Ronde van San Juan. ‘Ik trek het me niet aan wat ze van mij zeggen. Ik wil vooral groeien en zien hoe het werkt bij de profs. Er is bijvoorbeeld de afstand. Voor het WK heb ik 140 kilometer getraind, omdat de wedstrijd 135 kilometer was. Gisteren reden we zes uur, goed voor 191 kilometer, maar ik had er geen moeite mee. Ik denk zelfs dat ik nog een uur of twee had kunnen doorfietsen... Ik vind het ergens logisch dat er wat van mij verwacht wordt. Het is mijn eigen schuld. Wat ik bij de junioren liet zien, is nooit eerder vertoond. Toch denk ik dat het heel moeilijk is om bij de profs direct mee te doen. Twee dagen geleden speelden we koers op training en ik heb geen enkele keer gewonnen. Ik werd telkens derde van de vijf. Bergop was ik mee, maar in de sprint en moest ik ze laten gaan.’

‘Na Argentinië weten we al veel’, zegt Peeters. ‘Kan je je voorstellen dat hij daar een rit wint of een heel goed resultaat neerzet? Dan is het kot in België meteen te klein. Iedereen heeft het over Eddy en Merckxiaans, maar je moet daar toch mee oppassen. We moeten Remco vooral tegen zichzelf beschermen en ondersteunen als het minder loopt.’

‘Ik weet niet hoe het zal lopen, sorry’, zei Evenepoel schouderophalend. ‘Op het vlakke heb ik niets te zoeken. Ik moet het hebben van een heel zwaar parcours of van een finish bergop. Ik ben zelf ook heel benieuwd naar wat ik al kan. Ik probeer al op die berg in San Juan zo lang mogelijk mee te gaan. Die is niet superlastig, maar toch vijftien kilometer lang. Door vijf à zes keer door die muur te moeten rijden, zal ik mijn grenzen verleggen. De ploegleiders en trainers houden me voor om gewoon te proberen volgen. En is er iets mogelijk, waarom niet? Natuurlijk wil ik zoals iedereen graag een koers winnen dit jaar, maar het is absoluut geen must. Ook zonder is mijn seizoen niet mislukt. Ik start zonder druk en zonder verwachtingen voor mezelf.’

Evenepoel mag dan nog geen negentien zijn, hij toonde zich gisteren een meester in het temperen van het verwachtingspatroon van alle Belgen, en bij uitbreiding alle wielerfreaks. ‘De allergrootste verandering voor mij zal de manier zijn waarop ik bekeken word. Alle koersen zijn op tv. Als je niet goed bent, word je direct op de feiten gewezen. Iedereen herkent me ook. (schudt zijn hoofd) Het is te gek voor woorden. Ik ben nog een snotneus, maar ik krijg meteen al zoveel media-aandacht. Ik vind dat ambetant voor oudere collega’s. Ik hoop gewoon dat de mensen niet te veel verwachten, dat ze niet denken dat ik meteen alles kapot ga rijden, want dat zal helemaal niet het geval zijn. Ik zie het nu al gebeuren: als ik in één van de eerste koersen moet lossen, gaan ze zeggen: Zie je nu wel, het was allemaal véél te vroeg. Geef me gewoon nog enkele jaren.’
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Re:

09 Jan 2019 10:31

Lexman wrote:from today's flemish newspaper DE STANDAARD :
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Wat ik bij de junioren liet zien, is nooit eerder vertoond. Toch denk ik dat het heel moeilijk is om bij de profs direct mee te doen. Twee dagen geleden speelden we koers op training en ik heb geen enkele keer gewonnen. Ik werd telkens derde van de vijf. Bergop was ik mee, maar in de sprint en moest ik ze laten gaan.’


So they simulated some races in Calpe, he never won but was always third out of five. He could follow uphill, but was always beaten in the sprint.

Anyway, already more hyped than Frank Vandenbroucke ever was. Let's hope this guy is a bit smarter.
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09 Jan 2019 12:23

Koronin wrote:
WheelofGear wrote:Neither Nibali nor Valverde would be a real factor at the UAE race. Nibali wouldn't even top 10 it. It's Froome vs. Porte. Dumoulin is a joker, but I doubt he will be in real shape so early on with his double attempt.


BMC to pull off a bit better TTT than Sky. Froome and Porte to finish s/t on Jebel Hafeet with Froome outsprinting Porte and winning the stage. Froome to gain a bit of time on Hatta Dam, finishing 5th, with Porte way back in the explosive finale. Porte and Froome to finish 2nd and 3rd at Jebel Jais stage with a joker winning the stage. Froome to win by 10 seconds over Porte.



Why is that? Froome rarely is very good early in the season. Last time Valverde and Froome were in an early season race together was Catalonia 2017 where Valverde put on an master call in racing. Oh yeah a TTT in which Movistar was given a 1 minute penalty.
There is no BMC anymore and Porte is now at Trek. Froome won't be on the podium. He has 1 peak and that is for the Tour early in the season he's not as good as other top GC riders.


https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=5789&year=2013&all=0&current=0
https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=5789&year=2014&all=0&current=0
https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=5789&year=2015&all=0&current=0

Not bad early season results when targetting one GT instead of two. This year he's targetting one GT
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09 Jan 2019 20:16

PremierAndrew wrote:
Koronin wrote:
WheelofGear wrote:Neither Nibali nor Valverde would be a real factor at the UAE race. Nibali wouldn't even top 10 it. It's Froome vs. Porte. Dumoulin is a joker, but I doubt he will be in real shape so early on with his double attempt.


BMC to pull off a bit better TTT than Sky. Froome and Porte to finish s/t on Jebel Hafeet with Froome outsprinting Porte and winning the stage. Froome to gain a bit of time on Hatta Dam, finishing 5th, with Porte way back in the explosive finale. Porte and Froome to finish 2nd and 3rd at Jebel Jais stage with a joker winning the stage. Froome to win by 10 seconds over Porte.



Why is that? Froome rarely is very good early in the season. Last time Valverde and Froome were in an early season race together was Catalonia 2017 where Valverde put on an master call in racing. Oh yeah a TTT in which Movistar was given a 1 minute penalty.
There is no BMC anymore and Porte is now at Trek. Froome won't be on the podium. He has 1 peak and that is for the Tour early in the season he's not as good as other top GC riders.


https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=5789&year=2013&all=0&current=0
https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=5789&year=2014&all=0&current=0
https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=5789&year=2015&all=0&current=0

Not bad early season results when targetting one GT instead of two. This year he's targetting one GT



How many years ago was that? 2015 actually he wasn't that great. He won Andalucia and then was no where to be found in Catalonia. He won't be on the podium at UAE. A combination of his being in decline AND typically not doing well early in the year.
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09 Jan 2019 21:45

WheelofGear wrote:Neither Nibali nor Valverde would be a real factor at the UAE race. Nibali wouldn't even top 10 it. It's Froome vs. Porte. Dumoulin is a joker, but I doubt he will be in real shape so early on with his double attempt.

BMC to pull off a bit better TTT than Sky. Froome and Porte to finish s/t on Jebel Hafeet with Froome outsprinting Porte and winning the stage. Froome to gain a bit of time on Hatta Dam, finishing 5th, with Porte way back in the explosive finale. Porte and Froome to finish 2nd and 3rd at Jebel Jais stage with a joker winning the stage. Froome to win by 10 seconds over Porte.


Last 16 years Valverde was always a factor in early stage races. What makes you feel it's going to be different this time?
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Re: The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

18 Jan 2019 08:50

"Winning a race this year is going to be very difficult. I am very honest with this and I do not see myself winning a race. Give me three, four or five years and then it will be time to put on a serious first goal. Then I will be ready for it."
http://www.ciclo21.com/remco-evenepoel-mi-suenos-estan-en-las-grandes-vueltas/
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Re: The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

19 Jan 2019 08:27

Tim Booth wrote:"Winning a race this year is going to be very difficult. I am very honest with this and I do not see myself winning a race. Give me three, four or five years and then it will be time to put on a serious first goal. Then I will be ready for it."
http://www.ciclo21.com/remco-evenepoel-mi-suenos-estan-en-las-grandes-vueltas/
I know he's just trying to deal with the hype, but three, four or five years is quite a bit of time for an insane talent of his age. Two... or three years tops and we'll probably know.

He'll turn 19 in less than a week. Andy Schleck was already competitive at age 21.
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19 Jan 2019 09:06

And Philipsen has just won his first WT race at 20. I think Remco is a competitor and if he gets a sniff of a chance, he'll take it.
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19 Jan 2019 13:37

armchairclimber wrote:And Philipsen has just won his first WT race at 20. I think Remco is a competitor and if he gets a sniff of a chance, he'll take it.


Regarding Evenepoel's chances to take a victory... i think they are considerable. I think he'll take a ITT victory in a third-fourth tier stage race rather soon.

A pitty Philipsen had to win his first victory by another rider getting disqualified. But i still don't understand the headbutting. How hard can it be, to understand that you can't do that?
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19 Jan 2019 13:45

Logic-is-your-friend wrote:
armchairclimber wrote:And Philipsen has just won his first WT race at 20. I think Remco is a competitor and if he gets a sniff of a chance, he'll take it.


Regarding Evenepoel's chances to take a victory... i think they are considerable. I think he'll take a ITT victory in a third-fourth tier stage race rather soon.

A pitty Philipsen had to win his first victory by another rider getting disqualified. But i still don't understand the headbutting. How hard can it be, to understand that you can't do that?


Indeed. It didn't look too clever overhead. Philipsen had to be there, in front of Sagan and Viviani to capitalise. He has put himself there or thereabouts throughout the race. I expect Evenepoel to do likewise as early as next week to be honest... he'll be useful in getting Hodeg into position.
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