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16 May 2018 23:48

Great to see Tejay riding a good TT again. Friday's climb should be better for him. I'm hoping he can find a way to win the overall. Maybe Friday a break wins the stage?
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17 May 2018 03:47

Red Rick wrote:Don't find it that special to be honest.


Imagine if some elite TTers were here? How much would have Bernal lost in 34k? Close to three minutes to Dumoulin?
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17 May 2018 04:03

woodburn wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Don't find it that special to be honest.


Imagine if some elite TTers were here? How much would have Bernal lost in 34k? Close to three minutes to Dumoulin?


Remember when Tejay rides a TT he's capable of (which he did today) he's not that far of the TT specialists. Maybe loosing around 30 seconds or so on a course like this one.
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17 May 2018 07:36

woodburn wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Don't find it that special to be honest.


Imagine if some elite TTers were here? How much would have Bernal lost in 34k? Close to three minutes to Dumoulin?

Americans in America always ride a lot faster than they usually do elsewhere. If you look at it big picture, he lost 30 seconds to Bjerg, arguably the biggest time trial talent we've seen probably since Cancellara. It's not all sad and glum.
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17 May 2018 08:25

DNP-Old wrote:Dani Martinez 10th! He's having an extremely good season.

I wonder if he will be riding Tour or Vuelta this year. I expected him to ride the Giro but somehow that is not the case.
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17 May 2018 08:30

Anderis wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:Dani Martinez 10th! He's having an extremely good season.

I wonder if he will be riding Tour or Vuelta this year. I expected him to ride the Giro but somehow that is not the case.


He did suffer a rather nasty concussion back in March.
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17 May 2018 08:34

He did ride La Fleche, LBL and Romandie (with decent result) between his concussion and the Giro, so he should be OK to race there if he/his team wanted.
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17 May 2018 08:55

Very promising TT from Dani Martinez. Improving in the shadows while Bernal takes the spotlight. I had some doubts about him last year, but he's having a great season in 2018.
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17 May 2018 11:57

Great time trial from Tao, if he had been Sky's leader he might have been in leaders jersey by now, Bernal needs to improve his ITT, though the likes of Henao have not really
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17 May 2018 12:26

Posted that I thought Bernal found his stage victory tough going, probably because of the infernal pace set by Geoghan Hart - So no surprise he struggled in the ITT - I suspect Geoghan Hart is stronger than Bernal and it gives Sky two cards to play.
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17 May 2018 12:36

What's up with Bernal massive gear ratio that he used in the TT? I thought it was not the appropriate one for him. Maybe some experts can shed a light on this issue.
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17 May 2018 13:08

DNP-Old wrote:
woodburn wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Don't find it that special to be honest.


Imagine if some elite TTers were here? How much would have Bernal lost in 34k? Close to three minutes to Dumoulin?

Americans in America always ride a lot faster than they usually do elsewhere. If you look at it big picture, he lost 30 seconds to Bjerg, arguably the biggest time trial talent we've seen probably since Cancellara. It's not all sad and glum.


That's fine. But losing almost 90 seconds to TJ who would normally be at least a minute behind the best in TT means there is room for improvement for Bernal.
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17 May 2018 13:12

woodburn wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:
woodburn wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Don't find it that special to be honest.


Imagine if some elite TTers were here? How much would have Bernal lost in 34k? Close to three minutes to Dumoulin?

Americans in America always ride a lot faster than they usually do elsewhere. If you look at it big picture, he lost 30 seconds to Bjerg, arguably the biggest time trial talent we've seen probably since Cancellara. It's not all sad and glum.


That's fine. But losing almost 90 seconds to TJ who would normally be at least a minute behind the best in TT means there is room for improvement for Bernal.

Of course there is room for improvement, he just turned 21, is a pure climber (well he isn't but given his kg he should be!) and is on a different setup. On top of that, a time trial like this is one which suits him the least. Reminds me of the time trial where Froome annihilated Quintana and Contador in TdF 2013. Saint Montrond or something?
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17 May 2018 13:37

Valv.Piti wrote:
woodburn wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:
woodburn wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Don't find it that special to be honest.


Imagine if some elite TTers were here? How much would have Bernal lost in 34k? Close to three minutes to Dumoulin?

Americans in America always ride a lot faster than they usually do elsewhere. If you look at it big picture, he lost 30 seconds to Bjerg, arguably the biggest time trial talent we've seen probably since Cancellara. It's not all sad and glum.


That's fine. But losing almost 90 seconds to TJ who would normally be at least a minute behind the best in TT means there is room for improvement for Bernal.

Of course there is room for improvement, he just turned 21, is a pure climber (well he isn't but given his kg he should be!) and is on a different setup. On top of that, a time trial like this is one which suits him the least. Reminds me of the time trial where Froome annihilated Quintana and Contador in TdF 2013. Saint Montrond or something?


Yeah. That was Mont-Saint-Michel. Effectively ended the race. Not trying to denigrate Bernal. Just that it was a little below par considering the talent that was here. Has plenty of time to be good enough.
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17 May 2018 13:41

Saint Amand Montrond was the echelon stage.
Mont Saint-Michel was the TT in which Froome almost beat T. Martin in his prime on a pan flat course.
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17 May 2018 14:52

woodburn wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:
woodburn wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Don't find it that special to be honest.


Imagine if some elite TTers were here? How much would have Bernal lost in 34k? Close to three minutes to Dumoulin?

Americans in America always ride a lot faster than they usually do elsewhere. If you look at it big picture, he lost 30 seconds to Bjerg, arguably the biggest time trial talent we've seen probably since Cancellara. It's not all sad and glum.


That's fine. But losing almost 90 seconds to TJ who would normally be at least a minute behind the best in TT means there is room for improvement for Bernal.

Van Garderen has beaten Dennis in Cali before.

Like I said, Yanks perform much better on their own turf than they do else where. Just look at Brent Bookwalter, Powless, Dombrowski, Craddock. They aren't much of a reference here.
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17 May 2018 16:03

DNP-Old wrote:...Bjerg, arguably the biggest time trial talent we've seen probably since Cancellara.

DNP-Old wrote:Because year in, year out we see all these laughable Danish and Norwegian riders destroy everything everywhere and then proceed to do absolutely remotely nothing in the professional level. I thought we had hit rock bottom, but this Bjerg guy absolutely takes the cake.


:lol:
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17 May 2018 16:10

Geraint Too Fast wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:...Bjerg, arguably the biggest time trial talent we've seen probably since Cancellara.

DNP-Old wrote:Because year in, year out we see all these laughable Danish and Norwegian riders destroy everything everywhere and then proceed to do absolutely remotely nothing in the professional level. I thought we had hit rock bottom, but this Bjerg guy absolutely takes the cake.


:lol:

I was obviously being somewhat ironic when describing Bjerg, lol. Before editting, it even read something along the lines of biggest talent in 83483758378 years
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17 May 2018 17:42

Bernal did a pretty respectable job in my opinion. His ceiling as a time trialist is limited by his weight, but it's still considerably higher than where he is at right now. Just by tweaking his gear ratio he'll achieve much better results I think. While watching him and Yates during their runs yesterday, I was almost sure Yates' time was going to be better just because he looked way more balanced and comfortable on the bike. Bernal by comparison looked very uncomfortable and he was all over the place, and yet he did better.
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17 May 2018 17:55

DNP-Old wrote:
Geraint Too Fast wrote:
DNP-Old wrote:...Bjerg, arguably the biggest time trial talent we've seen probably since Cancellara.

DNP-Old wrote:Because year in, year out we see all these laughable Danish and Norwegian riders destroy everything everywhere and then proceed to do absolutely remotely nothing in the professional level. I thought we had hit rock bottom, but this Bjerg guy absolutely takes the cake.


:lol:

I was obviously being somewhat ironic when describing Bjerg, lol. Before editting, it even read something along the lines of biggest talent in 83483758378 years


You mean you were being ironic when you described him - in the other thread - as having absolutely taken the cake in doing nothing on the pro-level? ;)
Bit early to say that about a guy who - at that time - hadn't even turned pro yet.
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