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29 May 2018 10:39

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29 May 2018 10:54

Jungle Cycle wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!
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29 May 2018 11:26

I want Stelvio+finish in Livigno
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29 May 2018 12:09

Red Rick wrote:I want Stelvio+finish in Livigno

How does such a stage work? Stelvio from Prato and then what?

Tre Cime is a nice climb, with Tre Croci and Giau it can be epic like in 2007. And Mortirolo, the greatest climb in cycling (now with Finistre a close 2nd :D ) is always, always welcome, as long as it isn't the baby Mortirolo of 2017.
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29 May 2018 12:23

staubsauger wrote:
Jungle Cycle wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!


Well, they could do Mortirolo, Gavia, Stelvio and finish in Solda. That would be pretty epic......
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29 May 2018 12:25

Valv.Piti wrote:
Red Rick wrote:I want Stelvio+finish in Livigno

How does such a stage work? Stelvio from Prato and then what?

Tre Cime is a nice climb, with Tre Croci and Giau it can be epic like in 2007. And Mortirolo, the greatest climb in cycling (now with Finistre a close 2nd :D ) is always, always welcome, as long as it isn't the baby Mortirolo of 2017.

There's always a truckload of flat before the Stelvio from that side. You can start in Bolzano, go over Passo Mendola and Passo Palades to set up the breakaway, descend to Merano, and then have your 70km of flat before the Stelvio.
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29 May 2018 12:30

I don't like any variation of Stelvio, Gavia and Mortirolo in one stage cause it's just gonna be about the last climb, making the other 2 kind of a waste.

Stelvio/Gavia and then either Tonale or Aprica would be interesting.
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29 May 2018 12:39

Red Rick wrote:I don't like any variation of Stelvio, Gavia and Mortirolo in one stage cause it's just gonna be about the last climb, making the other 2 kind of a waste.

Stelvio/Gavia and then either Tonale or Aprica would be interesting.


How would that be?

If they are going to use Mortirolo, I would prefer the traditional Mortirolo-Aprica finish, and preferrably with Gavia (and Mendola/Palade and Tonale) before that.
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29 May 2018 13:01

Lol, that could actually work quite well, Red Rick.

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Then the next day: Aprica->Santa Cristina->Trivigno->Mortirolo->Padrio->Tirano (123km)
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29 May 2018 13:04

Red Rick wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:
Red Rick wrote:I want Stelvio+finish in Livigno

How does such a stage work? Stelvio from Prato and then what?

Tre Cime is a nice climb, with Tre Croci and Giau it can be epic like in 2007. And Mortirolo, the greatest climb in cycling (now with Finistre a close 2nd :D ) is always, always welcome, as long as it isn't the baby Mortirolo of 2017.

There's always a truckload of flat before the Stelvio from that side. You can start in Bolzano, go over Passo Mendola and Passo Palades to set up the breakaway, descend to Merano, and then have your 70km of flat before the Stelvio.

You can have the Vinschgauer Höhenstrasse right before Stelvio from that side.
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If you start further south you could also have Mendel + Gampen Joch before Stelvio.
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29 May 2018 13:54

Netserk wrote:Lol, that could actually work quite well, Red Rick.

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I don't know. Gavia from that side is anything but a monster and the 2nd half of the descent is basically false flat. If someone really really needs time it will work, but pretty much at any point except stage 20 I'd have my doubts.
I prefer Gavia-Stelvio-Sulden. That said I'd be happy about Red Ricks version too just because I have never seen the giro climbing the north side of the stelvio.
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29 May 2018 13:55

staubsauger wrote:
Jungle Cycle wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!

Not with Vegni, Gavia is one of the "banned" descents (like Fauniera) because he thinks it's dangerous.
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29 May 2018 14:40

Nirvana wrote:
staubsauger wrote:
Jungle Cycle wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!

Not with Vegni, Gavia is one of the "banned" descents (like Fauniera) because he thinks it's dangerous.

Can we ban Vegni because he's a tool and we want Zomegnan back?
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29 May 2018 14:45

Nirvana wrote:
staubsauger wrote:
Jungle Cycle wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!

Not with Vegni, Gavia is one of the "banned" descents (like Fauniera) because he thinks it's dangerous.


But Fauniera haven't been used for 15 years, long before Vegni. Is that mainly due to poor road condition?
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29 May 2018 14:58

Nirvana wrote:
staubsauger wrote:
Jungle Cycle wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1001389432052822018
Stelvio+Mortirolo??

Preferably they finally manage to bring back the Gavia pass!

Not with Vegni, Gavia is one of the "banned" descents (like Fauniera) because he thinks it's dangerous.

Gavia south maybe... the descent of Gavia North has been ridden with Vegni in charge in 2014. Recently Gavia has been out of the question due to a landslide (or just landslide risk, don't remember). Not sure what the situation is currently.

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But Fauniera haven't been used for 15 years, long before Vegni. Is that mainly due to poor road condition?

Poor condition and absence of towns in the area willing to pay for it.
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29 May 2018 15:03

If one combines the rumours about finish in Verona, stage 20 at Tre Cime, stage finish in Como and stages in Piemonte, isn't it probable that, if they are going to use Mortirolo/Gavia/Stelvio, they will approach from the west? Example a Bergamo-Aprica via San Marco/Vivione and Mortirolo. Or Sondrio-Aprica via Bernina, Foscagno, Eira and Mortirolo?
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29 May 2018 15:10

Eshnar wrote:Poor condition and absence of towns in the area willing to pay for it.


Okay. How does this actually work? Do towns/regions have a saying in which passes/climbs that are to be used? Save for MTFs of course. Could for example Trento pay for a stage finish and then be a part of deciding where the route is placed by saying that they do/don't want a downhill finish from Bondone? Or some similar situation.

Edit: Btw, a replay of the 2003 stage with Fauniera/Esischie - Sampeyre - Chianale would be one of my top wishes for a GT stage.
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29 May 2018 15:11

So the main rumors now are for a start abroad and entering Italy in the north west or the north east in the first week.

Then I hear queen stage rumors also in the north

When they going south?
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29 May 2018 15:51

OlavEH wrote:
Eshnar wrote:Poor condition and absence of towns in the area willing to pay for it.


Okay. How does this actually work? Do towns/regions have a saying in which passes/climbs that are to be used? Save for MTFs of course. Could for example Trento pay for a stage finish and then be a part of deciding where the route is placed by saying that they do/don't want a downhill finish from Bondone? Or some similar situation.

Edit: Btw, a replay of the 2003 stage with Fauniera/Esischie - Sampeyre - Chianale would be one of my top wishes for a GT stage.

With one of the Sampeyre ascents from that side you also have a ton of problems because of landslides amd in the end there's just a lack of towns and ski stations whod be willing to pay for a finish in that area.

The Livigno stage in 2005 looked like this:
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The first climb of the day was this one:
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5,070m of altitude gain and a great finish. Basso cracked on that stage and lost over 42min.
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29 May 2018 16:10

A Fauniera stage finish doesn't have to be in the immediate area

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8r0Kn1gB18Q/UO0PHAYafSI/AAAAAAAACLM/H6vag87_De0/s1600/6.jpg

Cuneo is about 10km further on, I think.
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