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08 Oct 2018 12:57

Do you necessarily have to descend the Finestre on the exact road they always do or are some of the more eastern roads viable?
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08 Oct 2018 16:03

Red Rick wrote:Do you necessarily have to descend the Finestre on the exact road they always do?

yes. It's the only road they can race.
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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08 Oct 2018 21:07

Meanwhile, it is basically confirmed by locals that the Cuneo - Pinerolo will be stage 12, with stage 13 starting from Pinerolo, just as options 1 and 2.
As it stands, I think the likeliest option is #2, but with a flattish stage 13 towards Ivrea. It is my new option 3 :p

Also, one thing I totally forgot to mention: it is very likely that stage 16 will start in Lovere, so Tonale definitely out, Presolana (or Vivione...?) in.

1. Bologna - S.Luca (8.2 km ITT)
2. Bologna - Fucecchio
3. Vinci - Orbetello
4. Orbetello - Frascati
5. Sabaudia? - ???
6. Cassino - S.Giovanni Rotondo
7. Vasto - L'Aquila
8. Tortoreto Lido - Pesaro
9. Riccione - S.Marino (34.7 km ITT)
rest
10 Ravenna - Modena
OPTION 1 | OPTION 2 | OPTION 3
11 Carpi - ??? | Carpi - Novi Ligure | Carpi - Novi Ligure
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure | Pinerolo - Col Basset? | Pinerolo - ???
14 Ivrea - Courmayeur
15 St. Vincent - Como(or surroundings)
rest
16 Lovere - Ponte di Legno
17 Val di Sole - Anterselva
18 Dobbiaco - S. Maria di Sala
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune (or above)
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)
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08 Oct 2018 21:36

What is the chance that Pinerolo is nothing but Sestriere/Pramartino?
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08 Oct 2018 21:39

Red Rick wrote:What is the chance that Pinerolo is nothing but Sestriere/Pramartino?

If they have Basset the following day, I can totally see it. In any other option, no.
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08 Oct 2018 21:58

That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal ;)
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...
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08 Oct 2018 22:36

Sestriere wrote:That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal ;)
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

From when is that rumor

Cause I remember in exact Eshnar quote saying 'Vivione, no way" :o
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08 Oct 2018 22:49

Red Rick wrote:
Sestriere wrote:That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal ;)
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

From when is that rumor

Cause I remember in exact Eshnar quote saying 'Vivione, no way" :o

That's what Eshnar guessed today at 22:07. So I thought I'd map it to see how it looks like.

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09 Oct 2018 05:25

Red Rick wrote:
Sestriere wrote:That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal ;)
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

From when is that rumor

Cause I remember in exact Eshnar quote saying 'Vivione, no way" :o

Well I still mantain that, the descent of Vivione is too dangerous for Vegni's standards. But people are talking about it anyway (mostly because of the 5500m thing), so I still wanted to mention it in the off chance it's true.
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09 Oct 2018 06:30

Eshnar wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Sestriere wrote:That stage 16 rumour with Presolana, Vivione, Gavia and Mortirolo sounds rather brutal ;)
According to cronoescalada such a stage would have around 6000 m of climbing, so perhaps a bit less in reality, but maybe more than those ominous 5500...

From when is that rumor

Cause I remember in exact Eshnar quote saying 'Vivione, no way" :o

Well I still mantain that, the descent of Vivione is too dangerous for Vegni's standards. But people are talking about it anyway (mostly because of the 5500m thing), so I still wanted to mention it in the off chance it's true.


****, freakin Vegni. I'm getting tired of reading "too dangerous descent according to Vegni". This seems to apply for a not insignificant number for climbs. Hope we'll get a new race director soon that is less of a wimp. And also stops using "one climb stages" which there have been far too many of the last couple of years.
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09 Oct 2018 20:57

This is 5638m according to Cronoescalada, around 5000m according to me. I bet this is what Vegni has in mind.

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09 Oct 2018 21:08

Good length on the stage too.

Gavia would be Cima Coppi?
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09 Oct 2018 21:13

Red Rick wrote:Good length on the stage too.

Gavia would be Cima Coppi?

yes, definitely.
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09 Oct 2018 21:20

this is also 5550m according to the editor. Here I'm less confident because there are a lot of possibilities in the Aosta valley. This is just an example.

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09 Oct 2018 21:23

Eshnar wrote:this is also 5550m according to the editor. Here I'm less confident because there are a lot of possibilities in the Aosta valley. This is just an example.

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ASO would find a way to give that stage 5 HCs.

One can dream for that stage.
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09 Oct 2018 21:26

...aaand this gives 5700m.

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09 Oct 2018 21:35

It would be crazy hard, but I don't think it would be great design.
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09 Oct 2018 21:38

Red Rick wrote:It would be crazy hard, but I don't think it would be great design.

agreed, but that's what we're gonna get. Only uncertainty is exactly where they finish. Couple of kms lower or higher, the stage is the same.
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09 Oct 2018 21:48

I would just love to see a stage finish shortly after the descent of Passo Manghen.
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09 Oct 2018 21:52

Red Rick wrote:I would just love to see a stage finish shortly after the descent of Passo Manghen.

Pampeago was a stage finish in 2012 I think (although, iirc, they did a lap including Lavazé first). That would definitely fit nicely after Manghen. How reliable is the rumour regarding Croce d'Aune as stage finish of the Feltre stage?
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