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09 Oct 2018 21:59

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Red Rick wrote:I would just love to see a stage finish shortly after the descent of Passo Manghen.

Pampeago was a stage finish in 2012 I think (although, iirc, they did a lap including Lavazé first). That would definitely fit nicely after Manghen. How reliable is the rumour regarding Croce d'Aune as stage finish of the Feltre stage?

Would honestly like Lavazé finish way more than Pampeago if that's possible.
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09 Oct 2018 22:08

Yeah, Pampeago is exactly the kind of MTF you really dont want in modern cycling.
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09 Oct 2018 22:19

Red Rick wrote:
Sestriere wrote:
Red Rick wrote:I would just love to see a stage finish shortly after the descent of Passo Manghen.

Pampeago was a stage finish in 2012 I think (although, iirc, they did a lap including Lavazé first). That would definitely fit nicely after Manghen. How reliable is the rumour regarding Croce d'Aune as stage finish of the Feltre stage?

Would honestly like Lavazé finish way more than Pampeago if that's possible.

Sure, Lavazé connects better and is not so brutally steep, but at this point it is just speculation or "wishdreaming". Anyway, this is how it could look like, a really nice last mountain stage which would encourage attacks on Manghen.

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09 Oct 2018 23:00

Red Rick wrote:I would just love to see a stage finish shortly after the descent of Passo Manghen.

Put the Salita della Cascata from the Marcialonga in to finish in Cavalese or Lago di Tesero in the style of the Citadel de Briançon, and we're golden.
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10 Oct 2018 01:02

Sestriere, that would be a great finish after the Manghen monster. It's incredible how nowadays super steep climbs are action killers!
Better to have the lower gradients for action.
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10 Oct 2018 05:49

Sestriere wrote:
Red Rick wrote:I would just love to see a stage finish shortly after the descent of Passo Manghen.

Pampeago was a stage finish in 2012 I think (although, iirc, they did a lap including Lavazé first). That would definitely fit nicely after Manghen. How reliable is the rumour regarding Croce d'Aune as stage finish of the Feltre stage?

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Re: Giro d'Italia 2019 rumors

10 Oct 2018 07:26

According to local article, the stage to Frascati should pass North of Rome, which would make possible to insert some nice hills in the finale (like those that were in Roma Maxima). The same article Claims the following stage would start from Frascati itself, which means that a finish in Sabaudia or Terracina is the best bet.

1. Bologna - S.Luca (8.2 km ITT)
2. Bologna - Fucecchio
3. Vinci - Orbetello
4. Orbetello - Frascati
5. Frascati - Sabaudia (or Terracina)
6. Cassino - S.Giovanni Rotondo
7. Vasto - L'Aquila
8. Tortoreto Lido - Pesaro
9. Riccione - S.Marino (34.7 km ITT)
rest
10 Ravenna - Modena
OPTION 1 | OPTION 2 | OPTION 3
11 Carpi - ??? | Carpi - Novi Ligure | Carpi - Novi Ligure
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure | Pinerolo - Col Basset? | Pinerolo - ???
14 Ivrea - Courmayeur
15 St. Vincent - Como(or surroundings)
rest
16 Lovere - Ponte di Legno
17 Val di Sole - Anterselva
18 Dobbiaco - S. Maria di Sala
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune (or above)
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)
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10 Oct 2018 07:42

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Red Rick wrote:It would be crazy hard, but I don't think it would be great design.

agreed, but that's what we're gonna get. Only uncertainty is exactly where they finish. Couple of kms lower or higher, the stage is the same.


Where exactly have you finished your stage? That's above the pass itself?

And isn't there several options for a Feltre - Croce di Aune stage. For example isn't it more likely they will drop Cima di Campo?
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10 Oct 2018 11:06

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Where exactly have you finished your stage? That's above the pass itself?

And isn't there several options for a Feltre - Croce di Aune stage. For example isn't it more likely they will drop Cima di Campo?
I finished at Malga Campon, at the very top.
The route was supposed to copy the Sportful Grandfondo.
What sealed the deal was a (very zoomed in) photo of the last 4 stage profiles themselves, that got "accidentally" leaked. The bad quality of the picture doesn't really tell you where exactly they are gonna finish, but you could clearly see what climbs are there.
Of course the plan might have changed from that time (one month ago roughly), but I don't see why would it.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2019 rumors

10 Oct 2018 16:18

Max Rockatansky wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1050054187059486722

So Mortirolo first and then Gavia.

probably just a Journalist's guess. No way they descend the Gavia south. I would ignore this.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2019 rumors

10 Oct 2018 16:32

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Max Rockatansky wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1050054187059486722

So Mortirolo first and then Gavia.

probably just a Journalist's guess. No way they descend the Gavia south. I would ignore this.

And if it happens, I will probably still deny this.
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Re: Giro d'Italia 2019 rumors

10 Oct 2018 16:44

Red Rick wrote:
Eshnar wrote:
Max Rockatansky wrote:https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1050054187059486722

So Mortirolo first and then Gavia.

probably just a Journalist's guess. No way they descend the Gavia south. I would ignore this.

And if it happens, I will probably still deny this.

don't worry, Lefevre would organize a strike before there is a chance this happens at all.
The journo probably heard that there will be Gavia and Mortirolo and just designed the most obvious (on paper) route. I wouldn't put any more thoughts to this.
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10 Oct 2018 19:07

They did descent Gavia South in 2010, but I understand this is one of those 'too dangerous' for Vegni. I'm with Vegni on this :D
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10 Oct 2018 19:43

ice&fire wrote:They did descent Gavia South in 2010, but I understand this is one of those 'too dangerous' for Vegni. I'm with Vegni on this :D

it is too dangerous for many. Even more as a final descent. Not even I would put it.
In 2010 they descended as slowly as they could.
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10 Oct 2018 19:49

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ice&fire wrote:They did descent Gavia South in 2010, but I understand this is one of those 'too dangerous' for Vegni. I'm with Vegni on this :D

it is too dangerous for many. Even more as a final descent. Not even I would put it.
In 2010 they descended as slowly as they could.


So basically the Gavia south descent is the most Zomegnan thing that ever happened?
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10 Oct 2018 20:38

Red Rick wrote:
Eshnar wrote:
ice&fire wrote:They did descent Gavia South in 2010, but I understand this is one of those 'too dangerous' for Vegni. I'm with Vegni on this :D

it is too dangerous for many. Even more as a final descent. Not even I would put it.
In 2010 they descended as slowly as they could.


So basically the Gavia south descent is the most Zomegnan thing that ever happened?

that actually happened, probably yes. That and Gardeccia.
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10 Oct 2018 22:09

Eshnar wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
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ice&fire wrote:They did descent Gavia South in 2010, but I understand this is one of those 'too dangerous' for Vegni. I'm with Vegni on this :D

it is too dangerous for many. Even more as a final descent. Not even I would put it.
In 2010 they descended as slowly as they could.


So basically the Gavia south descent is the most Zomegnan thing that ever happened?

that actually happened, probably yes. That and Gardeccia.


Talking about Gardeccia, I remember the stage before and Monte Crostis. Isn't that downhill even harder than Gavia (south)?
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11 Oct 2018 05:21

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Talking about Gardeccia, I remember the stage before and Monte Crostis. Isn't that downhill even harder than Gavia (south)?

yes. that's why I specified "actually happened" :p
actually, harder or not, the key problem was that it was too narrow for cars in some points.
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11 Oct 2018 07:28

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Red Rick wrote:
So basically the Gavia south descent is the most Zomegnan thing that ever happened?

that actually happened, probably yes. That and Gardeccia.


What was so special about Gardaneccia? The totality of the stage or the climb itself?
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