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03 Jun 2018 13:57

Copy of the Piani dei Resinelli stage in 2012? Or Foppolo MTF?
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03 Jun 2018 18:10

Libertine Seguros wrote:I would expect Stelvio and Mortirolo would need to be in separate stages because Stelvio would by demand need to be the Cima Coppi, so it would be strange to have that over 100km out as there's a fair way from there to Mazzo and then you'd have to finish on Aprica realistically. It's not out of the question of course, if it's right near the end of the race, like in 2008 (but hopefully without the descent to Tirano unless they're unearthing Monte Padrio). Descending the Großglockner would require them to have been some significant way north into Austria to justify it, and the descent would still be very, very long because they'd have to go through Paß Iselsberg too.

Now, there are a few absolute brutes (10%+ averages) all around Lienz, but all of them are dead ends. The other option would be to approach via Pustertaler Höhenstraße but that would be its easy side. As for Oropa, if they descended to the finish it would be great but I assume Biella is paying so we get the same old same old. I'm so over Oropa now. It's not that good a climb and if Pantani hadn't gone ballistic nobody would care. MTT or nothing.

You could have a nasty stage with the Höhenstraße before a descent finish in Lienz, if it was up to me we'd get something like this after a Würzjoch/Passo delle Erbe MTT:
http://www.cronoescalada.com/index.php/tracks/viewTour/311265/168995
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You could also have a great short stage after Tre Cime that starts in Cortina, Tre Croci right at the start, Passo di San Antonio, 2nd half of Passo Monte Croce Comelico, one of steep sides of the Innichberg, another short steep climb (Sillianberg or Tessenberg) and the the Höhenstraße before a descent finish in Lienz.
Otherwise you corss the Austrian Border on the Plöckenpass, climb the long Kartitscher Satter, Tessenberg and then the Höhenstraße before a descent finish.
This side of the Höhenstraße is still great, have the stage right after a hard MTF and you could have a great stage like the Sappada stage:
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08 Jun 2018 21:16

Nirvana wrote:As expected in Cuneo are working to celebrate Coppi with Cuneo-Pinarolo stage.
https://www.cuneodice.it/sport/cuneo-e-valli/la-cuneo-pinerolo-nel-giro-d-italia-2019-la-granda-puo-sognare_15756.html

Yes! I really want such a stage, stage 20 please.
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10 Jun 2018 20:17

Ponte di Legno wants a stage finish and will probably get it.
Theyll ride through Ponte di Legno for the first time, Gavia from that side, descent, Mortirolo from Valtellina and a finish in Ponte di Legno. That would be similar to a classic Aprica finish.
source: http://www.camunity.it/flash_page.php?id=39606
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10 Jun 2018 21:13

Mayomaniac wrote:Ponte di Legno wants a stage finish and will probably get it.
Theyll ride through Ponte di Legno for the first time, Gavia from that side, descent, Mortirolo from Valtellina and a finish in Ponte di Legno. That would be similar to a classic Aprica finish.
source: http://www.camunity.it/flash_page.php?id=39606

That would be great. What is interesting is that they'll approach from the Bergamo area, meaning that if San Marco is in, it would be the stage before this, and it would have to be climbed from north.
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10 Jun 2018 21:16

Ponte di Legno is just the false flat right, they're not climbing all the way to Tonale?
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10 Jun 2018 21:26

Red Rick wrote:Ponte di Legno is just the false flat right, they're not climbing all the way to Tonale?

the article explicitely mentions the finishing line to be in town.
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11 Jun 2018 00:29

ha, i made a stage similar to that on chronoescalada a long time ago (didn't use the Gavia though)

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11 Jun 2018 08:03

That's gonna be about 20km of false flat downhill from Bormio to the bottom of the Mortirolo? Same road as in 2012 but in reverse,except to Mazzo instead of Grosio?

Anyway, Ponte di Legno alone looks about as hard as Aprica, so it's a nice variation, and I'm gonna guess we get Aprica from Tirano as the first climb? Looks like a really cool stage to me.
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11 Jun 2018 08:24

Red Rick wrote:That's gonna be about 20km of false flat downhill from Bormio to the bottom of the Mortirolo? Same road as in 2012 but in reverse,except to Mazzo instead of Grosio?

Anyway, Ponte di Legno alone looks about as hard as Aprica, so it's a nice variation, and I'm gonna guess we get Aprica from Tirano as the first climb? Looks like a really cool stage to me.
more like 25-30 km between Bormio and Mazzo.
If they are coming from Bergamo/Lake Iseo, there is no way to climb Aprica or anything. They'll pretty much go straight to the Gavia, maybe they can just add a small climb at the beginning.
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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11 Jun 2018 08:46

Eshnar wrote:
Red Rick wrote:That's gonna be about 20km of false flat downhill from Bormio to the bottom of the Mortirolo? Same road as in 2012 but in reverse,except to Mazzo instead of Grosio?

Anyway, Ponte di Legno alone looks about as hard as Aprica, so it's a nice variation, and I'm gonna guess we get Aprica from Tirano as the first climb? Looks like a really cool stage to me.
more like 25-30 km between Bormio and Mazzo.
If they are coming from Bergamo/Lake Iseo, there is no way to climb Aprica or anything. They'll pretty much go straight to the Gavia, maybe they can just add a small climb at the beginning.

They could easily do more, but it would be quite unlikely to see a monster like this (although I'd prefer a start from Costa Volpino, also going to Rovetta):
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11 Jun 2018 08:51

Presolana, yes. Vivione, no way.
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11 Jun 2018 08:57

Eshnar wrote:
Red Rick wrote:That's gonna be about 20km of false flat downhill from Bormio to the bottom of the Mortirolo? Same road as in 2012 but in reverse,except to Mazzo instead of Grosio?

Anyway, Ponte di Legno alone looks about as hard as Aprica, so it's a nice variation, and I'm gonna guess we get Aprica from Tirano as the first climb? Looks like a really cool stage to me.
more like 25-30 km between Bormio and Mazzo.
If they are coming from Bergamo/Lake Iseo, there is no way to climb Aprica or anything. They'll pretty much go straight to the Gavia, maybe they can just add a small climb at the beginning.

Whoops I thought they were coming from the south west, not the south east. Anyway, it's also like a 700m drop from Bormio to Mazzo so it shouldn't take tooo long. It's not like we're gonna see Gavia attacks but a reduced field at the start of the Mortirolo would be pretty cool. I'd like a medium sized climb early in the stage.

This stage is somewhere at the end of the 2nd week?
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11 Jun 2018 09:02

Yes, it won't happen - with good reason. I'm merely pointing out that it is an option, and that the stage length would even be quite reasonable if they start from e.g. Costa Volpino. I too think we'll see a stage start similar to the Bormio stage of last year.
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11 Jun 2018 16:19

Red Rick wrote:This stage is somewhere at the end of the 2nd week?

I assume it's stage 15.
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