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08 Oct 2018 16:33

Wherever he ends up, I hope it's somewhere he actually wants to be, and not somewhere he feels pressured to be because of this whole mess.
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08 Oct 2018 16:42

My understanding is a few days ago UCI confirmed Trek's verbal agreement with Sosa as legal despite it not signed, but Sosa has now rejected it anyway, which he can legally do assuming Sky will pay the UCI fine, so he can reject it I assume?
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08 Oct 2018 16:45

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08 Oct 2018 16:47

I'm no longer a fan. Money hungry and rider agent ruined this guy. I couldn't care less about his career
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08 Oct 2018 16:50

RedheadDane wrote:Wherever he ends up, I hope it's somewhere he actually wants to be, and not somewhere he feels pressured to be because of this whole mess.

I think that ship has sailed. If he ends up at TREK, he'll feel pressured, legally obligated. If he joins Sky, i'm pretty sure he isn't doing it because it's the worlds warmest team or best for his development, but because he thinks it's the "best" option financially and the feeling he "needs" to do this for his financial future.
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08 Oct 2018 16:52

MatParker117 wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sosa-edges-closer-to-team-sky/

It's Sky


That's just grand. :(
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08 Oct 2018 16:53

Then maybe he needs to just stay at Androni.
Stay with what he knows, and let things cool down a little. He's young, he can try for a WT contract for the 2020 season.

Yeah, that was a reply to Logic's post. Stop ninjaing me!
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08 Oct 2018 17:02

RedheadDane wrote:Then maybe he needs to just stay at Androni.
Stay with what he knows, and let things cool down a little. He's young, he can try for a WT contract for the 2020 season.

Yeah, that was a reply to Logic's post. Stop ninjaing me!


Not going to happen

Sosa has a long way to go to get my support.
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08 Oct 2018 17:05

Time to introduce financial fair play in cycling.
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08 Oct 2018 17:16

RedheadDane wrote:Then maybe he needs to just stay at Androni.
Stay with what he knows, and let things cool down a little. He's young, he can try for a WT contract for the 2020 season.

Yeah, that was a reply to Logic's post. Stop ninjaing me!


Apparently it's too late for that. The UCI has no power other than to fine the rider if in fact there was a signed contract. This would be an opportune moment to start making changes in how to prevent situations such as this otherwise any team with an unfair advantage in the depth of their pockets can simply snatch any rider they desire, pay the rider's fine and stack their lineup with all the top tier talent. Riders ambitions will be compromised for the sake of financial security. Some type of arbitration should be taking place to control what is ethical and what is not. Rider signs contract. A better offer arises after-the-fact and rider makes agreement with new team making better offer to pay the fine in order to guarantee rider jumps ship. It shouldn't be that easy.
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08 Oct 2018 17:19

Surely he did definitely want to join Trek at first…
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08 Oct 2018 17:29

RedheadDane wrote:Surely he did definitely want to join Trek at first…


If this wasn't just a rumour but fact, initially he also said that he didn't want to ride for Sky because it would limit his immediate opportunities. It appears they persuaded him monetarily and with the promise that he wouldn't be solely riding in support of others.
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08 Oct 2018 17:37

Angliru wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:Then maybe he needs to just stay at Androni.
Stay with what he knows, and let things cool down a little. He's young, he can try for a WT contract for the 2020 season.

Yeah, that was a reply to Logic's post. Stop ninjaing me!


Apparently it's too late for that. The UCI has no power other than to fine the rider if in fact there was a signed contract. This would be an opportune moment to start making changes in how to prevent situations such as this otherwise any team with an unfair advantage in the depth of their pockets can simply snatch any rider they desire, pay the rider's fine and stack their lineup with all the top tier talent. Riders ambitions will be compromised for the sake of financial security. Some type of arbitration should be taking place to control what is ethical and what is not. Rider signs contract. A better offer arises after-the-fact and rider makes agreement with new team making better offer to pay the fine in order to guarantee rider jumps ship. It shouldn't be that easy.

In the cyclingnews article a couple days ago there was a mention that the clause in his contract that would allow him to move to a WT team was only valid until July 31st, and that as a result if he rejects the Trek offer he may be forced to honor his contract with Androni for another year.
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08 Oct 2018 17:42

LaFlorecita wrote:
Angliru wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:Then maybe he needs to just stay at Androni.
Stay with what he knows, and let things cool down a little. He's young, he can try for a WT contract for the 2020 season.

Yeah, that was a reply to Logic's post. Stop ninjaing me!


Apparently it's too late for that. The UCI has no power other than to fine the rider if in fact there was a signed contract. This would be an opportune moment to start making changes in how to prevent situations such as this otherwise any team with an unfair advantage in the depth of their pockets can simply snatch any rider they desire, pay the rider's fine and stack their lineup with all the top tier talent. Riders ambitions will be compromised for the sake of financial security. Some type of arbitration should be taking place to control what is ethical and what is not. Rider signs contract. A better offer arises after-the-fact and rider makes agreement with new team making better offer to pay the fine in order to guarantee rider jumps ship. It shouldn't be that easy.

In the cyclingnews article a couple days ago there was a mention that the clause in his contract that would allow him to move to a WT team was only valid until July 31st, and that as a result if he rejects the Trek offer he may be forced to honor his contract with Androni for another year.

Who's gonna enforce that?
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08 Oct 2018 17:46

Red Rick wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
Angliru wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:Then maybe he needs to just stay at Androni.
Stay with what he knows, and let things cool down a little. He's young, he can try for a WT contract for the 2020 season.

Yeah, that was a reply to Logic's post. Stop ninjaing me!


Apparently it's too late for that. The UCI has no power other than to fine the rider if in fact there was a signed contract. This would be an opportune moment to start making changes in how to prevent situations such as this otherwise any team with an unfair advantage in the depth of their pockets can simply snatch any rider they desire, pay the rider's fine and stack their lineup with all the top tier talent. Riders ambitions will be compromised for the sake of financial security. Some type of arbitration should be taking place to control what is ethical and what is not. Rider signs contract. A better offer arises after-the-fact and rider makes agreement with new team making better offer to pay the fine in order to guarantee rider jumps ship. It shouldn't be that easy.

In the cyclingnews article a couple days ago there was a mention that the clause in his contract that would allow him to move to a WT team was only valid until July 31st, and that as a result if he rejects the Trek offer he may be forced to honor his contract with Androni for another year.

Who's gonna enforce that?

The UCI if Trek or Sosa's previous managers decide to make a case of it.
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08 Oct 2018 18:11

Logic-is-your-friend wrote:Time to introduce financial fair play in cycling.

why is that?
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08 Oct 2018 18:35

The only source for the most recent CN article appears to be Acquadro. That doesn’t mean that it’s automatically wrong, but it’s not necessarily correct either. Pretty much any other team would be better news from a fan’s point of view.
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Re: Ivan Sosa discussion thread

08 Oct 2018 19:18

If it continues like this it will only take a few more years until the top three of the tdf all come from one team. And I'm not even kidding. Sky seemingly has the financial capacity to every year sign the most promising gc rider. I'm just massively happy Evenepoel has signed for QS but then again, long way to go for him, as of now the potential hasn't been proven on the big stage.
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Re: Ivan Sosa discussion thread

08 Oct 2018 19:29

Gigs_98 wrote:If it continues like this it will only take a few more years until the top three of the tdf all come from one team. And I'm not even kidding. Sky seemingly has the financial capacity to every year sign the most promising gc rider. I'm just massively happy Evenepoel has signed for QS but then again, long way to go for him, as of now the potential hasn't been proven on the big stage.


The new Chinese team claim to have a bigger budget than Sky, so give it a few months and Sky might also be asking for a budget cap.
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08 Oct 2018 19:41

This really sucks. Really dislike Sky and Sosa for this.
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