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11 Jul 2018 19:18

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Saint Unix wrote:This Sagan guy is quite good, isn't he?

Needs to win some big races first



Like Ronde or Paris-Roubaix?


Or WC 3 x times?
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11 Jul 2018 19:18

jaylew wrote:I don't think Gilbert is any faster


I was curious, as I'd have them about equal (10 years ago Valverde by a landslide of course) so I checked their head to head sprinting record.

Not included: steep climbs (2008 Tour stage 1, 2015 Dubai Tour, etc), races where one of them didn't bother sprinting (2009 Worlds) or races where one was in a different group that was caught on the line for same time (2012 Vuelta stage 19, Roma Maxima 2014, etc.)

The record is 9-5 in favor of Valverde including today's stage. Most occasions are recent, they surprisingly almost never went head to head before 2012
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11 Jul 2018 19:26

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jaylew wrote:I don't think Gilbert is any faster


I was curious, as I'd have them about equal (10 years ago Valverde by a landslide of course) so I checked their head to head sprinting record.

Not included: steep climbs (2008 Tour stage 1, 2015 Dubai Tour, etc), races where one of them didn't bother sprinting (2009 Worlds) or races where one was in a different group that was caught on the line for same time (2012 Vuelta stage 19, Roma Maxima 2014, etc.)

The record is 9-5 in favor of Valverde including today's stage. Most occasions are recent, they surprisingly almost never went head to head before 2012



Interesting, as I personally think they are about equal. However, Bala believes Gilbert is a faster sprinter and has stated as such on several occasions including today.
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11 Jul 2018 19:29

Yes, but Eeyore always thinks everyone else is better at everything. He's about the least confident name rider around.

The Plumelec stage in 2008 was one of the most ridiculously dominant sprint wins I've ever seen yet even then he had to be told to shut up and sprint because he didn't think he had a chance.
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11 Jul 2018 19:49

JosephK wrote:
sir fly wrote:
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Zinoviev Letter wrote:Sagan is great, but the puncheurs played into his hands. If you let sprinters hang around to contest a finish, of course you won’t win.


Sagan is as much puncheur as sprinter.

Sagan is a sprinteur.

Rouleur.


Spunchouleur?

That's the word.

How's miss Bürstner doing, btw?
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11 Jul 2018 19:53

GuyIncognito wrote:Yes, but Eeyore always thinks everyone else is better at everything. He's about the least confident name rider around.

The Plumelec stage in 2008 was one of the most ridiculously dominant sprint wins I've ever seen yet even then he had to be told to shut up and sprint because he didn't think he had a chance.


Wow, so Unzue had to tell him to sprint in that stage? This guy's capabilities must be even more off-scale than I imagined based on how often wins without having confidence in his abilities
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11 Jul 2018 20:02

Mayo from Mayo wrote:But Bala does

Likely false modesty
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Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 5: Lorient > Quimper 204,5 km

11 Jul 2018 20:10

Today wasn't not even close to being hard enough to drop the points from 50 to 30. To bloody bad if you aren't good enough to handle. A few climbs that are 600m at 6%. Terrible call
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11 Jul 2018 20:13

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GuyIncognito wrote:Yes, but Eeyore always thinks everyone else is better at everything. He's about the least confident name rider around.

The Plumelec stage in 2008 was one of the most ridiculously dominant sprint wins I've ever seen yet even then he had to be told to shut up and sprint because he didn't think he had a chance.


Wow, so Unzue had to tell him to sprint in that stage? This guy's capabilities must be even more off-scale than I imagined based on how often wins without having confidence in his abilities


I've also heard that about the 2005 stage when he beat Lance. They also told him to shut up and sprint. However, GuyIncognito is correct that Bala has got to be the least confident top rider in the peloton and very possibly the least confident top rider ever in the peloton. His comment after the 2015 Worlds where he finished 5th was that the course totally didn't fit his abilities at all and that he was happy with 5th because everyone else in the top 10 are faster sprinters than he is. Of course this from a guy the peloton actually thought was a sprinter when he first turned pro. How the most versatile rider in the peloton for the past 2 decades has such little confidence in his own abilities and keeps winning so much, who knows, but that's him. To this day he will ALWAYS downplay his changes on winning anything.
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11 Jul 2018 20:57

GuyIncognito wrote:
jaylew wrote:I don't think Gilbert is any faster


I was curious, as I'd have them about equal (10 years ago Valverde by a landslide of course) so I checked their head to head sprinting record.

Not included: steep climbs (2008 Tour stage 1, 2015 Dubai Tour, etc), races where one of them didn't bother sprinting (2009 Worlds) or races where one was in a different group that was caught on the line for same time (2012 Vuelta stage 19, Roma Maxima 2014, etc.)

The record is 9-5 in favor of Valverde including today's stage. Most occasions are recent, they surprisingly almost never went head to head before 2012


They did in Plumelec, Gilbert was 2nd there...
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11 Jul 2018 20:58

Read the 2nd paragraph, 1st line :)
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11 Jul 2018 21:05

GuyIncognito wrote:Read the 2nd paragraph, 1st line :)


Ah, ok :o
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Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 5: Lorient > Quimper 204,5 km

11 Jul 2018 21:11

Scarponi wrote:Today wasn't not even close to being hard enough to drop the points from 50 to 30. To bloody bad if you aren't good enough to handle. A few climbs that are 600m at 6%. Terrible call


Stage 9 has also reduced the points. It's completely ridiculous. It's as if they are specifically looking at each stage, thinking that, "that's a bunch sprint, or, oh, Sagan might win that, so let's call it a medium-mountain stage".
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11 Jul 2018 21:29

Chapeau Sagan! Colbrelli again close. GvA is Sagan's new lead out man? :)
"Are you going to believe me or what you see with your own eyes?"

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11 Jul 2018 21:36

Robert5091 wrote:Chapeau Sagan! Colbrelli again close. GvA is Sagan's new lead out man? :)


He will pay him back tomorrow by keeping him in yellow :)
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11 Jul 2018 23:40

dgodave wrote:
trucido wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Sagan is great, but the puncheurs played into his hands. If you let sprinters hang around to contest a finish, of course you won’t win.


Sagan is as much puncheur as sprinter.

Sagan is a sprinteur.


Hehe - nice one

His own definition :cool:

I love Sagan
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11 Jul 2018 23:44

Didn't Latour crash hard yesterday? - Or am I mistaken?

He finished 13th today.

Looks like it will be him and Bernal for the White ;)
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12 Jul 2018 00:53

Woah, Sagan weighs 79kg? Citation?
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Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 5: Lorient > Quimper 204,5 km

12 Jul 2018 02:03

Calmejane complaining about Skujins...he was the stronger rider and deserved the mountain jersey.
Calmejane wheel sucked the entire day and complains about another rider doing the same. Vermote is the one who should complain. Direct-Energy is known for their pathetic effort in breakaways..but with two riders in the group they took it to another level this time. Disgraceful performance and embarassing behaviour after the stage.
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12 Jul 2018 05:35

Amazinmets87 wrote:Woah, Sagan weighs 79kg? Citation?


His own words:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peter-sagan-on-fourth-worlds-title-in-2018-nothing-is-impossible/

"I'm almost 80 kilograms. Don't believe those who say I'm 73-74kg – my weight varies between 78 and 79kg,"
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