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12 Jul 2018 16:54

alexix7 wrote:I watched last km again and i am amazed by Mollema. He was too far behind so someone could thought he would lose seconds but actually he came 7th without problems.


Mollema has the tools to challenge for wins in races like this. That he always comes seventh instead is pretty frustrating.
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12 Jul 2018 16:54

Everything for Bardet?

Not really. Latour should be free to do whatever in this shape, but Vuillermoz?... Maybe they just don't believe in him 100% (which I fully understand).
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12 Jul 2018 16:55

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:ok I'm out. Going to burn some french flags.. ridicolous time penalty ****

Or just buy a Croatian flag and a bunch of flares :lol:
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12 Jul 2018 16:59

DNP-Old wrote:Yeah, penalising Dumoulin but not Fuglsang is ridiculous. Either they are both penalties, or neither are.

Yeah, crazy hypocrisy!
Rules should be applied fairly to everyone!!
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12 Jul 2018 16:59

Valv.Piti wrote:Everything for Bardet?

Not really. Latour should be free to do whatever in this shape, but Vuillermoz?... Maybe they just don't believe in him 100% (which I fully understand).


If Vuillermoz is going to win, it's on short climbs. He's a Dan Martin stereotype, just slightly worse. He's not really a GC guy
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12 Jul 2018 17:06

Amazinmets87 wrote:I'm surprised anyone thought Sagan was a contender for this stage. Can't imagine him having any response for an attack such as Martin's on those gradients

Sagan is a contender for any stage except the biggest mountains. 8th on the day alongside some expert puncheurs (and ahead of some, too) suggests it doesn’t take a whole lot more to go right. I think he was 6th here in 2015? He certainly wasn’t a clear favorite for today, but he couldn’t be counted out.
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12 Jul 2018 17:07

Zinoviev Letter wrote:Impressive rides: Martin, Latour, Majka, Sagan.


What's impressive with Sagan's ride, he was 4th 3 years ago...
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12 Jul 2018 17:12

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
alexix7 wrote:I watched last km again and i am amazed by Mollema. He was too far behind so someone could thought he would lose seconds but actually he came 7th without problems.


Mollema has the tools to challenge for wins in races like this. That he always comes seventh instead is pretty frustrating.

I was really happy for him when he won San Sebastián the other year, after doing a great ride at the Tour. He’s one of those bubbling-under type riders, who can be up there on all terrains, but doesn’t have the x-factor to then win consistently.

He’s the kind of rider who’ll turn around at age 33 and win Lombardy and the Worlds and Fleche Wallone in the space of 6 months, sign a big contract, and never quite hit those heights again.
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12 Jul 2018 17:13

Blanco wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Impressive rides: Martin, Latour, Majka, Sagan.


What's impressive with Sagan's ride, he was 4th 3 years ago...

He only had to go up the Mur once back then.
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12 Jul 2018 17:13

Blanco wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Impressive rides: Martin, Latour, Majka, Sagan.


What's impressive with Sagan's ride, he was 4th 3 years ago...

Impressive is not the same as surprising
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12 Jul 2018 17:14

Blanco wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Impressive rides: Martin, Latour, Majka, Sagan.


What's impressive with Sagan's ride, he was 4th 3 years ago...


He was lighter 3 years ago. What’s impressive about it is that he finished alone as a big lump in a front few made up of flyweights. The disadvantage he’s at on those gradients is enormous.
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12 Jul 2018 17:15

jaylew wrote:GC who gained/lost time to main pack

Martin: -10
Valverde: -4
Thomas -2
TJ: +3
Froome: +6
Uran: +8
Jungles: +9
Zakarin: +9
Kruijswijk: +9
Bernal: +9
Bardet: +28
Dumoulin: +1:10

It's actually -13 for Martin, +0 for Van Garderena and +5 for Froome
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12 Jul 2018 17:17

I like Dumoulin more than Fuglsang, but I don't see why Fuglsang equally deserves a pentalty compared to Dumoulin. Dumoulin was drafting behind his own team car for quite a bit, I don't think Fuglsang did. Besides, he was with his teammates, who got more of a draft than he did himself.
Edit: I just saw that Astana did draft behind their own team car.
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12 Jul 2018 17:21

So the 2017 Tour podium all lost time here. Just before y'all get too excited about minuscule gaps on puncheur climbs.

Penalties for car drafting is a "I know it when I see it" kinda thing, and in my mind Fuglsang didn't matter but Dumoulin needs a penalty, bad.
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12 Jul 2018 17:26

Vasilis wrote:
jaylew wrote:GC who gained/lost time to main pack

Martin: -10
Valverde: -4
Thomas -2
TJ: +3
Froome: +6
Uran: +8
Jungles: +9
Zakarin: +9
Kruijswijk: +9
Bernal: +9
Bardet: +28
Dumoulin: +1:10

It's actually -13 for Martin, +0 for Van Garderena and +5 for Froome

Weird. I know I had already changed Froome and Martin's times. TJ did lose 3 seconds.
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12 Jul 2018 17:27

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Blanco wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Impressive rides: Martin, Latour, Majka, Sagan.


What's impressive with Sagan's ride, he was 4th 3 years ago...


He was lighter 3 years ago. What’s impressive about it is that he finished alone as a big lump in a front few made up of flyweights. The disadvantage he’s at on those gradients is enormous.


Good ride, but not impressive. Impressive would be beating Valverde, or Alaphilippe.

And I don't think he was significantly lighter back then, 2 kilos at most...
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12 Jul 2018 17:27

jaylew wrote:
Vasilis wrote:
jaylew wrote:GC who gained/lost time to main pack

Martin: -10
Valverde: -4
Thomas -2
TJ: +3
Froome: +6
Uran: +8
Jungles: +9
Zakarin: +9
Kruijswijk: +9
Bernal: +9
Bardet: +28
Dumoulin: +1:10

It's actually -13 for Martin, +0 for Van Garderena and +5 for Froome

Weird. I know I had already changed Froome and Martin's times. TJ did lose 3 seconds.

Oh you're right. TJ isn't on my GC rider list, so that's what messed me up.
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12 Jul 2018 17:38

Blanco wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Blanco wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Impressive rides: Martin, Latour, Majka, Sagan.


What's impressive with Sagan's ride, he was 4th 3 years ago...


He was lighter 3 years ago. What’s impressive about it is that he finished alone as a big lump in a front few made up of flyweights. The disadvantage he’s at on those gradients is enormous.


Good ride, but not impressive. Impressive would be beating Valverde, or Alaphilippe.

And I don't think he was significantly lighter back then, 2 kilos at most...


He says he’s 79 kg and that he was lighter back then. I see no reason to doubt him.

As for beating Valverde and Alaphilippe, actually winning on such gradients against the top specialists on a true Mur would be more than than impressive. It would be miraculous. He is a full 20 kg heavier than Dan Martin. The laws of physics sometimes seem not to apply to Sagan, but in fact they do.
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12 Jul 2018 17:48

Honestly thought Bernal would finish higher today.
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Re: Re:

12 Jul 2018 17:54

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Blanco wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Blanco wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:Impressive rides: Martin, Latour, Majka, Sagan.


What's impressive with Sagan's ride, he was 4th 3 years ago...


He was lighter 3 years ago. What’s impressive about it is that he finished alone as a big lump in a front few made up of flyweights. The disadvantage he’s at on those gradients is enormous.


Good ride, but not impressive. Impressive would be beating Valverde, or Alaphilippe.

And I don't think he was significantly lighter back then, 2 kilos at most...


He says he’s 79 kg and that he was lighter back then. I see no reason to doubt him.

As for beating Valverde and Alaphilippe, actually winning on such gradients against the top specialists on a true Mur would be more than than impressive. It would be miraculous. He is a full 20 kg heavier than Dan Martin. The laws of physics sometimes seem not to apply to Sagan, but in fact they do.


Are you really suggesting Dan Martin weighs 59kg??!!
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