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Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

12 Jul 2018 17:59

Hey, what do you think about teams not waiting slightly more for TD? Sky, bora & quickstep seemed to up the pace after his puncture from what I saw.
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12 Jul 2018 18:00

willbick wrote:
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He says he’s 79 kg and that he was lighter back then. I see no reason to doubt him.

As for beating Valverde and Alaphilippe, actually winning on such gradients against the top specialists on a true Mur would be more than than impressive. It would be miraculous. He is a full 20 kg heavier than Dan Martin. The laws of physics sometimes seem not to apply to Sagan, but in fact they do.


Are you really suggesting Dan Martin weighs 59kg??!!


That’s what he’s listed at on PCS (and Wikipedia). He used to be 62 kg a few years ago. Even if he’s still 62, that’s 17 kg lighter.
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12 Jul 2018 18:01

Red Rick wrote:Honestly thought Bernal would finish higher today.


Has he shown anything on a Mur before? I can’t remember.
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12 Jul 2018 18:04

silvergrenade wrote:20secs for Tom

Great
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12 Jul 2018 18:05

willbick wrote:Are you really suggesting Dan Martin weighs 59kg??!!


Team website says 176cm 62kg. Then again judging by several other riders on the site, either it's pre-season weights or they're just wrong.

He's one of those guys who looks way taller than he is because of his position on the bike. Like Pellizotti
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12 Jul 2018 18:11

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:ok I'm out. Going to burn some french flags.. ridicolous time penalty ****


Just saw incident. From what was shown on TV, it seemed a normal, garden-variety pacing after an incident. Maybe a bit longer than normal but have seen worse when people chase back on after incident.

Definite lack of consistency.
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12 Jul 2018 18:13

Valv.Piti wrote:Imagine if Landa or Quintana would have tried to help Valverde. Not blaming them, its very possible they didnt have anything left, but Richie buried himself for GVA (or was it TJ?).

Fair time penalty btw


Porte was interviewed on ITV. He said that he found himself on the front on the Mur and his only option was to keep going as there was no way on that gradient he could pull over and kick start again. Too honest for his own good!
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12 Jul 2018 18:15

anyone else get the feeling Thomas is the Sky no.1 for this race? Froome finishing behind TJVG on any kind of hilltop finish is not a great sign imo
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12 Jul 2018 18:18

willbick wrote:anyone else get the feeling Thomas is the Sky no.1 for this race? Froome finishing behind TJVG on any kind of hilltop finish is not a great sign imo

That's a kind of joke. Thomas is (only) a co-leader.
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12 Jul 2018 18:19

willbick wrote:anyone else get the feeling Thomas is the Sky no.1 for this race? Froome finishing behind TJVG on any kind of hilltop finish is not a great sign imo



I don’t think losing 8 seconds to a Martin who goes berserk on a Mur tells us anything about Froome. If it had been a 4 km climb and he’d been dropped that would be another thing but today was an anaerobic charge.
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12 Jul 2018 18:22

If Valverde actually had some help with positioning instead of having to do it all himself he very well could have won this stage. Oh well, he did what he could on his own and still got a 3rd out of it.
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12 Jul 2018 18:28

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willbick wrote:anyone else get the feeling Thomas is the Sky no.1 for this race? Froome finishing behind TJVG on any kind of hilltop finish is not a great sign imo



I don’t think losing 8 seconds to a Martin who goes berserk on a Mur tells us anything about Froome. If it had been a 4 km climb and he’d been dropped that would be another thing but today was an anaerobic charge.


There's no way an on form froome is off the back of that lead group
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12 Jul 2018 18:32

willbick wrote:
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willbick wrote:anyone else get the feeling Thomas is the Sky no.1 for this race? Froome finishing behind TJVG on any kind of hilltop finish is not a great sign imo



I don’t think losing 8 seconds to a Martin who goes berserk on a Mur tells us anything about Froome. If it had been a 4 km climb and he’d been dropped that would be another thing but today was an anaerobic charge.


There's no way an on form froome is off the back of that lead group


Actually I agree with this, esp because Quintana was still in that group. This type of climb doesn't suit either of them very well, but if Quintana can still hang on, then an on form Froome should have been able to.
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12 Jul 2018 18:33

Froome is expectedly undercooked after gruelling giro and 5 week racing-free period. Only time will tell if he'll manage strike back, as race progresses. G was obviously instructed "OK boy, do your own race".
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12 Jul 2018 18:34

willbick wrote:
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willbick wrote:anyone else get the feeling Thomas is the Sky no.1 for this race? Froome finishing behind TJVG on any kind of hilltop finish is not a great sign imo



I don’t think losing 8 seconds to a Martin who goes berserk on a Mur tells us anything about Froome. If it had been a 4 km climb and he’d been dropped that would be another thing but today was an anaerobic charge.


There's no way an on form froome is off the back of that lead group

Froome was worse in the first hilltop finish of the Giro. That finish was steeper, so gaps were bigger, but he was like 30th there. On the other hand, now we're about one week away from mountains where you can lose it all in one stages, while the Giro only really had like 2 of those stages. And you can't really afford a bad day on the cobbles either.
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12 Jul 2018 18:39

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Honestly thought Bernal would finish higher today.


Has he shown anything on a Mur before? I can’t remember.

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Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

12 Jul 2018 18:45

Oliwright wrote:Hey, what do you think about teams not waiting slightly more for TD? Sky, bora & quickstep seemed to up the pace after his puncture from what I saw.

Sky did the same just after the incident that left Zakarin and Uran behind... French commentators mentioned something like "it would not help Sky's image".
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12 Jul 2018 18:46

dacooley wrote:Froome is expectedly undercooked after gruelling giro and 5 week racing-free period. Only time will tell if he'll manage strike back, as race progresses. G was obviously instructed "OK boy, do your own race".

Yes, and what would be really worrying if Froome had been in great shape today. Everything under control so far, let's wait to 9th stage, and next Tuesday.
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Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

12 Jul 2018 18:48

slosada wrote:
Oliwright wrote:Hey, what do you think about teams not waiting slightly more for TD? Sky, bora & quickstep seemed to up the pace after his puncture from what I saw.

Sky did the same just after the incident that left Zakarin and Uran behind... French commentators mentioned something like "it would not help Sky's image".

Yeah, Bora was piling it on too. So were many teams.
Honestly what do you expect 10 Kms from the finish at the Tour? Sky always bring their GC guys to the front at the point end just like anyone would do.
Just because some guy has a mechanical they should stop protecting their GC ambitions?
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Re: Tour de France 2018 stage 6: Brest > Mûr de Bretagne 181

12 Jul 2018 18:48

slosada wrote:
Oliwright wrote:Hey, what do you think about teams not waiting slightly more for TD? Sky, bora & quickstep seemed to up the pace after his puncture from what I saw.

Sky did the same just after the incident that left Zakarin and Uran behind... French commentators mentioned something like "it would not help Sky's image".


There were 6 km to go. Whatever your views on taking advantage of mechanicals in other circumstances, the racing was on at that point. No team would wait.
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