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01 Jan 2019 19:26

Hugo Koblet wrote:I would love to see Bernal doing the Ardennes, but he's probably not gonna do them this year.

Maybe Liege, some riders do that right after Trentino or just after a training camp. Regardless, he probably wont be at 100%, that should be reserved for TdF-peaks.
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01 Jan 2019 19:37

I think he has a much better shot at Fleche Wallone than Liege. At least with the current Liege route.

He wouldn't beat Ala or Bala, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got 3rd. He is pretty fast and a finish like that should suit him even better.
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01 Jan 2019 19:40

Velolover2 wrote:I think he has a much better shot at Fleche Wallone than Liege. At least with the current Liege route.

He wouldn't beat Ala or Bala, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got 3rd. He is pretty fast and a finish like that should suit him even better.


We don't know what this looks like.
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01 Jan 2019 20:32

Dno if someone said it, but he has basically confirmed he will ride the Giro. Nice. Really, really looking forward to that race now. Probably even more than Flanders given the route and riders participating!
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01 Jan 2019 20:48

Bernal? Or Valverde?

If Bernal, yes this was confirmed today and is what the last page of this thread has been about, so you probably knew someone had said it.

If Valverde, he hasn't been mentioned in this thread recently, and it would just be a little strange to just refer to him as "him" :D

Maybe you thought this was his thread?
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01 Jan 2019 21:01

Bernal.

Yeah, for some reason I thought this was the Bernal-thread. Hangover I guess lmao. But nearly all my favourite riders are riding
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01 Jan 2019 21:03

tobydawq wrote:
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tobydawq wrote:And did anyone suggest that Cancellara was declining?

There was certainly a decline in results before the retirement, especially in time trials.


But then he had a recline for his final season. And the way he won the Olympics certainly proved that he was still at the very top of his game.

By the way, I'm always amazed by those 12 consecutive monument podiums when I check his results.


Cancellara spent chucks of his final couple of seasons battling injuries. Obviously he could still put in great performances when he was healthy as the Olympics showed.
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01 Jan 2019 21:19

Valv.Piti wrote:Bernal.

Yeah, for some reason I thought this was the Bernal-thread. Hangover I guess lmao. But nearly all my favourite riders are riding


Okay, I just thought it was Valverde because you also mentioned Flanders.
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01 Jan 2019 21:24

Bernal does the Giro - seems the Giro will be a lot more interesting then TdF.
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01 Jan 2019 22:26

Robert5091 wrote:Bernal does the Giro - seems the Giro will be a lot more interesting then TdF.

I cannot not (thats sounds weird) believe for a second that the Tour will be more entertaining. Everything just points in the direction that the Giro will be a great, great race
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02 Jan 2019 05:28

Koronin wrote:
tobydawq wrote:
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tobydawq wrote:And did anyone suggest that Cancellara was declining?

There was certainly a decline in results before the retirement, especially in time trials.


But then he had a recline for his final season. And the way he won the Olympics certainly proved that he was still at the very top of his game.

By the way, I'm always amazed by those 12 consecutive monument podiums when I check his results.


Cancellara spent chucks of his final couple of seasons battling injuries. Obviously he could still put in great performances when he was healthy as the Olympics showed.

He also trained less on time trials since 2010 preferring the classics as major focus.
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02 Jan 2019 07:24

Valv.Piti wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:Bernal does the Giro - seems the Giro will be a lot more interesting then TdF.

I cannot not (thats sounds weird) believe for a second that the Tour will be more entertaining. Everything just points in the direction that the Giro will be a great, great race


It sounds weird because it's wrong. It's a double negative, so you're actually saying that you believe the Tour will be the most entertaining :D
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02 Jan 2019 07:59

Yep, too many negatives - Don't be dark! :D
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02 Jan 2019 09:05

According to PCS, Woods is riding the Giro and Uran the Tour as excepted.

I'd really like to see Woods get a top 10 but I don't know about his chances with three time trials. Luckily, those are all hilly.. but is it enough?
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02 Jan 2019 09:36

Velolover2 wrote:According to PCS, Woods is riding the Giro and Uran the Tour as excepted.

I'd really like to see Woods get a top 10 but I don't know about his chances with three time trials. Luckily, those are all hilly.. but is it enough?
Way too much focus on the time trials here, IMO. The real question is if his climbing is good enough. The worst time trialists can get a podium in, or win the Giro. This year will be no different.


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02 Jan 2019 09:50

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:
Velolover2 wrote:According to PCS, Woods is riding the Giro and Uran the Tour as excepted.

I'd really like to see Woods get a top 10 but I don't know about his chances with three time trials. Luckily, those are all hilly.. but is it enough?
Way too much focus on the time trials here, IMO. The real question is if his climbing is good enough. The worst time trialists can get a podium in, or win the Giro. This year will be no different.


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https://twitter.com/cycling_visual/status/1078004884484562945


Agreed. If it were three flat time trials, it could be different but they are all undulating.
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02 Jan 2019 10:08

Ponte di Legno-stage <3
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02 Jan 2019 10:21

About the picture above with the hardness of the stages:

The way the numbers are calculated is to take the sum of the square of the average percentage for each climbing kilometre during a stage (p_1^2+p_2^2+p_3^2+..., where p_i denotes the average percentage of the ith climbing kilometre of a stage). It seems like a good way of measuring, because very steep parts are taken into consideration properly.

Thomas De Gendt asked the uploader on Twitter to also make a list of the easiest stages. The uploader cheekily answered that the Mont Ventoux stage of 2016 must be the easiest of all time, since Froome didn't even need his bike to get through the stage (that De Gendt incidentally won).

De Gendt drily countered that at least he had won the hardest GT stage of the century, which turned out to be true. The Stelvio stage of 2012 scored no less than 4332 points on this scale. The Ponte di Legno stage of next year is the 5th hardest Giro stage of the century.

https://twitter.com/cycling_visual/status/1078004884484562945
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02 Jan 2019 10:37

Given that they do this by kilometer, I think it's an alright indicator of total hardness of the stage. Obviously the way it's raced is massively important, so hard stages can be soft pedalled, etc.

Overall I'd say hardness would be an amount of time spent at certain intensities, but you can't predict that super well just from the numbers of the stage.
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09 Jan 2019 15:58

Apparently G.Thomas is still undecided, and has not ruled out racing both Giro and Tour. We'll see.
Also, the Wild Cards will be announced next week.
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