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09 Jan 2019 16:42

Eshnar wrote:Apparently G.Thomas is still undecided, and has not ruled out racing both Giro and Tour. We'll see.
Also, the Wild Cards will be announced next week.

Sky probably told him he will not be co leader in the Tour and if he can't deal with that he can piss of to Italy
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09 Jan 2019 16:48

Red Rick wrote:
Eshnar wrote:Apparently G.Thomas is still undecided, and has not ruled out racing both Giro and Tour. We'll see.
Also, the Wild Cards will be announced next week.

Sky probably told him he will not be co leader in the Tour and if he can't deal with that he can piss of to Italy

likely. I hope he doesn't mess with Bernal's chances though.
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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09 Jan 2019 17:41

Red Rick wrote:
Eshnar wrote:Apparently G.Thomas is still undecided, and has not ruled out racing both Giro and Tour. We'll see.
Also, the Wild Cards will be announced next week.

Sky probably told him he will not be co leader in the Tour and if he can't deal with that he can piss of to Italy

Such a way with words when making up stories
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09 Jan 2019 17:43

Eshnar wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Eshnar wrote:Apparently G.Thomas is still undecided, and has not ruled out racing both Giro and Tour. We'll see.
Also, the Wild Cards will be announced next week.

Sky probably told him he will not be co leader in the Tour and if he can't deal with that he can piss of to Italy

likely. I hope he doesn't mess with Bernal's chances though.

Mmmmm back the recent tour winner or a 22 year old who done one grand tour.....know who I’d take for the win
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09 Jan 2019 18:30

rick james wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Eshnar wrote:Apparently G.Thomas is still undecided, and has not ruled out racing both Giro and Tour. We'll see.
Also, the Wild Cards will be announced next week.

Sky probably told him he will not be co leader in the Tour and if he can't deal with that he can piss of to Italy

Such a way with words when making up stories


If he could be co leader he'd take it. 100%.
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09 Jan 2019 18:33

Red Rick wrote:
rick james wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Eshnar wrote:Apparently G.Thomas is still undecided, and has not ruled out racing both Giro and Tour. We'll see.
Also, the Wild Cards will be announced next week.

Sky probably told him he will not be co leader in the Tour and if he can't deal with that he can piss of to Italy

Such a way with words when making up stories


If he could be co leader he'd take it. 100%.


Of course he can be a co-leader.
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09 Jan 2019 18:34

You mean 50/50? Nah I don't believe that
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09 Jan 2019 18:40

Red Rick wrote:You mean 50/50? Nah I don't believe that


Why not?

Why would they prefer Froome, the far less popular rider?

Of course there's the five wins "record" (though, I spent my childhood watching some guy winning it seven times - apparently everybody has forgotten that) but is that better than having Thomas repeat when he is so much more able to cater to the public and is far more of a hero in the eyes of the British (this is at least how I understand it to be - but given that I'm not British, I don't have first-line seats to assess that)?

Of course this Giro thing could be interpreted like you say. But it's definitely not a fact.
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09 Jan 2019 18:56

its not a contest to see who's more popular
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09 Jan 2019 19:15

rick james wrote:its not a contest to see who's more popular


Good point.

My underlying premise was that they have an equal chance of winning the Tour if they are in top form and fully supported.
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09 Jan 2019 20:11

I really dont hope Sky send Thomas to the Giro and I dont think it will happen anyways. Let the young Sky boys fend for themselves in Italy please.
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09 Jan 2019 20:22

rick james wrote:its not a contest to see who's more popular


Except that Thomas is better PR for the team and likely better PR in securing a new sponsor.

The thing about 5 although nice doesn't come close to Indurain's 5 in a row or the guy everyone wants to forget about winning 7.
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09 Jan 2019 21:04

Froome has won 6 of them GTs

Thomas has a single top 14
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09 Jan 2019 21:13

Red Rick wrote:Froome has won 6 of them GTs

Thomas has a single top 14

Doesnt really work like that tho, its the first time we really have seen what he is capable of if everything goes well. If you follow cycling (I know you do), Thomas has shown that kind of potential on many occasions (admittedly most didnt expect him to climb THAT well), the ability to climb with the best and we all know what great allrounder he is. The question on him has always been recovery/bad luck alá Porte.
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09 Jan 2019 21:29

Red Rick wrote:Froome has won 6 of them GTs

Thomas has a single top 14


Thomas has won all his latest one Grand Tours. Froome has won none of his.
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09 Jan 2019 22:47

Sounds like Froome is getting uneasy about the dual Tour threat. Not surprised.......
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10 Jan 2019 04:55

movingtarget wrote:Sounds like Froome is getting uneasy about the dual Tour threat. Not surprised.......



not really, Froome is going to win it, Thomas is going to get the best possible result he can
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10 Jan 2019 08:28

Valv.Piti wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Froome has won 6 of them GTs

Thomas has a single top 14

Doesnt really work like that tho, its the first time we really have seen what he is capable of if everything goes well. If you follow cycling (I know you do), Thomas has shown that kind of potential on many occasions (admittedly most didnt expect him to climb THAT well), the ability to climb with the best and we all know what great allrounder he is. The question on him has always been recovery/bad luck alá Porte.

GT winning potential he's shown exactly once, in the Tour he won. Not even the results in shorter stage races suggested he could win one.

Froome, when he doesn't ride the Giro, is the safer bet by a huge margin.
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10 Jan 2019 08:29

tobydawq wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Froome has won 6 of them GTs

Thomas has a single top 14


Thomas has won all his latest one Grand Tours. Froome has won none of his.

I could apply this logic to a looot of predictions in sport and the outcomes get pretty ridiculous.

Sample size is a thing that matters.
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10 Jan 2019 08:44

Red Rick wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Froome has won 6 of them GTs

Thomas has a single top 14

Doesnt really work like that tho, its the first time we really have seen what he is capable of if everything goes well. If you follow cycling (I know you do), Thomas has shown that kind of potential on many occasions (admittedly most didnt expect him to climb THAT well), the ability to climb with the best and we all know what great allrounder he is. The question on him has always been recovery/bad luck alá Porte.

GT winning potential he's shown exactly once, in the Tour he won. Not even the results in shorter stage races suggested he could win one.

Froome, when he doesn't ride the Giro, is the safer bet by a huge margin.


Ok, so I guess I'm still insane for predicting Thomas would win the Tour last year...

And of course my own comment was pure trolling but you can't neglect the recent Tour winner just like that.

He needs to get back to the life of a pro, though. There is a bit of a risk that he's doing a Wiggins.
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