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03 Jan 2019 02:54

RedheadDane wrote:I meant the riders who (for one reason or another) wouldn't get a slot in WT race.
But actually, I just figured a way to do it:

Of the races Nirvana mentioned the only WT race, other than Driesdaagse, that would be an issue is E3, I know Sanremo is a WT race too (a Monument even), but it isn't exactly a Flemish race. (Same for Catalunya).
So you could have Sanremo on Saturday, Driesdaagse from Monday to Wednesday, and finally E3 on Friday. Then we could have Handzame the day before Sanremo, and Denain the day after. (Then we just need to find a race to fit in between Driesdaagse finishing, and E3.)

However, I can't seem to find Handzame on the PCS calendar; mistake or... has it been cancelled?

I mentioned Sanremo because WT riders that are supposed to go to Da Panne are almost the same that usually go to Sanremo, considering that they also come out of Tirreno/PN no one will add three days of racing slotted between Sanremo and E3. The problem with Handzame and Denain is that usually French/Belgian professional teams rode that races in the weekend of Sanremo so will be difficult also for them to send a good lineup.
I think that in this slot is difficult to attract big names already with only one day of racing, probably they've tried to go WT to exactly to have a better lineup than last year but I'm not sure it will actually work, the only "big" name confirmed at the moment is Viviani and we already know the spring schedule of a certain number of important names along sprinters/durable sprinters/cobbled specialists.
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03 Jan 2019 03:11

Valv.Piti wrote:I just noticed the whole calender got moved 1 week ahead. :(

Only the first half of the year has moved in 2019, the second half was moved already last year after the Tour decided to move due to World Cup.
Anyway is only provisional, with the reform a restructure of the calendar is very likely since they want to split the calendar in roughly three blocks with classics during the spring and fall and stage races in between and there will be the implementation of the new classics series and pro series (with likely new races in new markets).
Not to mention the fact that genius Lappy has already announced that he wants to move the Giro start to the second half of May and slot California at the beginning of the month to allow the riders to ride both and next year we have ORR on the 26th of July so the Tour should start the last week of June to avoid overlapping.
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03 Jan 2019 03:19

Nirvana wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:I just noticed the whole calender got moved 1 week ahead. :(

Only the first half of the year has moved in 2019, the second half was moved already last year after the Tour decided to move due to World Cup.
Anyway is only provisional, with the reform a restructure of the calendar is very likely since they want to split the calendar in roughly three blocks with classics during the spring and fall and stage races in between and there will be the implementation of the new classics series and pro series (with likely new races in new markets).
Not to mention the fact that genius Lappy has already announced that he wants to move the Giro start to the second half of May and slot California at the beginning of the month to allow the riders to ride both and next year we have ORR on the 26th of July so the Tour should start the last week of June to avoid overlapping.



I think there will be some tweaking of the calendar, but some races, esp the Spanish week races are unlikely to move as there just aren't a lot of warm weather places to hold races in February and March. I also don't see too many riders changing their calender's much even with the new ideas of different categories of races.
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03 Jan 2019 09:54

Nirvana wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:I meant the riders who (for one reason or another) wouldn't get a slot in WT race.
But actually, I just figured a way to do it:

Of the races Nirvana mentioned the only WT race, other than Driesdaagse, that would be an issue is E3, I know Sanremo is a WT race too (a Monument even), but it isn't exactly a Flemish race. (Same for Catalunya).
So you could have Sanremo on Saturday, Driesdaagse from Monday to Wednesday, and finally E3 on Friday. Then we could have Handzame the day before Sanremo, and Denain the day after. (Then we just need to find a race to fit in between Driesdaagse finishing, and E3.)

However, I can't seem to find Handzame on the PCS calendar; mistake or... has it been cancelled?

I mentioned Sanremo because WT riders that are supposed to go to Da Panne are almost the same that usually go to Sanremo, considering that they also come out of Tirreno/PN no one will add three days of racing slotted between Sanremo and E3. The problem with Handzame and Denain is that usually French/Belgian professional teams rode that races in the weekend of Sanremo so will be difficult also for them to send a good lineup.
I think that in this slot is difficult to attract big names already with only one day of racing, probably they've tried to go WT to exactly to have a better lineup than last year but I'm not sure it will actually work, the only "big" name confirmed at the moment is Viviani and we already know the spring schedule of a certain number of important names along sprinters/durable sprinters/cobbled specialists.


I gave them an entire day to get from Sanremo to Driesdaagse! There have been riders standing on the startline for P-N literally the day after finishing SB.
And looking at the start list for Sanremo for the last couple of years, it seems unlikely that teams like Wanty or Sport Vlaanderen are going to get Wild Cards, as for a team like Deceuninck; is it really so terrible that they don't get to send their "A-team" to races like The-Race-Formerly-Known-As-Handzame and Denain, but will have to make do with their "a-team"? It sure didn't stop them in Handzame last year.

Look, all I want is an entire "super-week" (from Friday to Friday) of races basically every day - except that evil Thursday between Driesdaagse and E3 - is that really too much to ask?
I know Catalunya is in the same week, but that's not a cobbled race, and you can watch two races at the same time.
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04 Jan 2019 16:08

1ª etapa. Zumarraga - Zumarraga (CRI, 12 km).

2ª etapa. Zumarraga – Valle de Egüés.

3ª etapa. Sarriguren - Santuario de Estibaliz.

4ª etapa. Vitoria - Arrigorriaga.

5ª etapa. Arrigorriaga - Santuario de Arrate.

6ª etapa. Eibar - Eibar.

This is the route for Pais Vasco. I like that they are having the TT on the first day, that should make for a better race IMO. We have the classic Arrate stage, but outside of that, Im pretty lost to what is going to happen. Does anybody have a clue to what the stages are going to look like?
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04 Jan 2019 16:23

There are no stage details in any of the news articles about the route, so the profiles will presumably be released later.

But do not for a second believe that being a time trialist will help you in this race. The only info I could find details the time trial. It includes the insanely steep Antigua climb that we saw in the 1st stage of the 2011 edition, when we waited for the riders to come into view of the fixed cameras on the climb. Purito obviously destroyed everyone, winning the sprint after the short downhill to the finish against Samu Sanchez, Klöden and Horner. It was a great finish.
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04 Jan 2019 16:31

Squire wrote:There are no stage details in any of the news articles about the route, so the profiles will presumably be released later.

But do not for a second believe that being a time trialist will help you in this race. The only info I could find details the time trial. It includes the insanely steep Antigua climb that we saw in the 1st stage of the 2011 edition, when we waited for the riders to come into view of the fixed cameras on the climb. Purito obviously destroyed everyone, winning the sprint after the short downhill to the finish against Samu Sanchez, Klöden and Horner. It was a great finish.


Didn't he win after a photo finish?
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04 Jan 2019 16:39

tobydawq wrote:
Squire wrote:There are no stage details in any of the news articles about the route, so the profiles will presumably be released later.

But do not for a second believe that being a time trialist will help you in this race. The only info I could find details the time trial. It includes the insanely steep Antigua climb that we saw in the 1st stage of the 2011 edition, when we waited for the riders to come into view of the fixed cameras on the climb. Purito obviously destroyed everyone, winning the sprint after the short downhill to the finish against Samu Sanchez, Klöden and Horner. It was a great finish.


Didn't he win after a photo finish?

Yes, I mentioned the sprint win. He was, however, clearly the strongest on the climb.
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04 Jan 2019 16:43

Squire wrote:
tobydawq wrote:
Squire wrote:There are no stage details in any of the news articles about the route, so the profiles will presumably be released later.

But do not for a second believe that being a time trialist will help you in this race. The only info I could find details the time trial. It includes the insanely steep Antigua climb that we saw in the 1st stage of the 2011 edition, when we waited for the riders to come into view of the fixed cameras on the climb. Purito obviously destroyed everyone, winning the sprint after the short downhill to the finish against Samu Sanchez, Klöden and Horner. It was a great finish.


Didn't he win after a photo finish?

Yes, I mentioned the sprint win. He was, however, clearly the strongest on the climb.


Yeah, I just re-watched it. He seemed to underestimate the hill a little bit and couldn't carry his momentum in the last 100 metres. That was probably what gave the others a possibility to regain contact with him.

And in the finish he almost made the same mistake he would do against Valverde 16 months later in Arrate.
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06 Jan 2019 16:28

Valv.Piti wrote:1ª etapa. Zumarraga - Zumarraga (CRI, 12 km).

2ª etapa. Zumarraga – Valle de Egüés.

3ª etapa. Sarriguren - Santuario de Estibaliz.

4ª etapa. Vitoria - Arrigorriaga.

5ª etapa. Arrigorriaga - Santuario de Arrate.

6ª etapa. Eibar - Eibar.

This is the route for Pais Vasco. I like that they are having the TT on the first day, that should make for a better race IMO. We have the classic Arrate stage, but outside of that, Im pretty lost to what is going to happen. Does anybody have a clue to what the stages are going to look like?


Only the itt so far.

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06 Jan 2019 19:25

I can see Squire's point - from a few posts up - about being a good ITTer not really helping you much.
Unless you're also good at other things, such as climbing.
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06 Jan 2019 19:59

That looks like an ITT that a rider like Nibali or Contador would like.
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06 Jan 2019 20:12

Koronin wrote:That looks like an ITT that a rider like Nibali or Contador would like.


Or Purito. He was once second in an ITT in País Vasco, beaten only by Dumoulin.

That was a rare result.
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06 Jan 2019 20:36

tobydawq wrote:
Koronin wrote:That looks like an ITT that a rider like Nibali or Contador would like.


Or Purito. He was once second in an ITT in País Vasco, beaten only by Dumoulin.

That was a rare result.



LOL, How did I forget that from someone who had all sorts of problems with ITTs.
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06 Jan 2019 20:51

tobydawq wrote:
Koronin wrote:That looks like an ITT that a rider like Nibali or Contador would like.


Or Purito. He was once second in an ITT in País Vasco, beaten only by Dumoulin.

That was a rare result.


Not a flat section to be seen in that one. And most of the route was steep as hell
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06 Jan 2019 21:06

Quick question about the topography of the Basque Country:
Is it even possibly to find much flat road? Short of sending the riders to do laps on a local parking lot.
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06 Jan 2019 21:10

RedheadDane wrote:Quick question about the topography of the Basque Country:
Is it even possibly to find much flat road? Short of sending the riders to do laps on a local parking lot.


You might be able to find a few connected city streets to do laps around for a bit of a flat road or maybe do some laps at the local air port?
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06 Jan 2019 21:16

GuyIncognito wrote:
tobydawq wrote:
Koronin wrote:That looks like an ITT that a rider like Nibali or Contador would like.


Or Purito. He was once second in an ITT in País Vasco, beaten only by Dumoulin.

That was a rare result.


Not a flat section to be seen in that one. And most of the route was steep as hell


Yeah, of course, but it was before Tom had proven himself in the Vuelta, so it was a bit surprising that he could win a time trial that Purito could finish in second.
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06 Jan 2019 21:18

RedheadDane wrote:Quick question about the topography of the Basque Country:
Is it even possibly to find much flat road? Short of sending the riders to do laps on a local parking lot.


Sure. They've had a couple of flattish stages in recent years. They just like to put climbs near the end even on those, but you could easily not do that if you wanted to.
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08 Jan 2019 09:45

With the first week of 2019 gone UCI has implemented a part (i think the first one to go in effect, if i haven't missed something) of the local french mayor reform, the reorganization of rankings.

The WT ranking has been discontinued and two new rankings has been implemented along the World ranking, one for stage races (led by Simon Yates) and one for one day races (led by van Avermaet).

There are also big changes in the continental rankings that now are based on the nationality of the riders (i.e. every point scored by Valverde is counted in Europe Tour ranking, every point scored by Quintana is counted in America Tour ranking and so on). IMHO is a total non sense because in this way you only split the World ranking in five sub rankings that don't have alomost anything to do with the continental circuits since the best riders in every ranking have a vast majority of their points scored in WT races.
Now Impey led Africa Tour (with only 150 out of 1.444 points scored on African soil), Lopez led the America Tour, Lutsenko the Asia Tour, Valverde the Europe Tour and Matthews the Oceania Tour (without a single day of racing in Oceania since 2014 Tour Down Under).

The last addition is the 2020 Olympics qualification ranking (for nations) that count the points scored since the start of 2019 season (last year's Tour of Hainan).

https://www.uci.org/road/rankings
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