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12 Jan 2016 01:13

Going in to see Creed at the weekend when it is released over here.

Has anyone seen it yet?
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12 Jan 2016 06:40

BigMac wrote:Sicario.

Amsterhammer wrote:Anyone seen Hateful Eight yet? I have seen/heard mixed responses.


Not watching anything from Tarantino after the senseless avalanche of gore that was Inglourious Basterds. He's lost the plot and only good casts have made his films bearable. I expect nothing more than blood stains on snow.

Yes, Tarantino has a particular penchant for violence that began well before Inglourious Basterds, but IMO Inglourious Basterds, was, when it wanted to be, absolutely phenomenal. The opening scene and Cantina scene for example were tremendous.
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12 Jan 2016 11:46

But Inglorious Basterds is also an exaltation of vengeance. This is something that I can't get along with. Whether it be Jewish vengeance or Nazi vengeance, it's just the same for me. I could watch some Tarantino before that but after, just like BigMac, it's no. But I don't know if it's for the same reasons. :)

Actually, Inglorious was the first film he made for the Weinstein's, the most disgusting people in all Hollywood. One of the signataries of the Hollywood Support for Israel against Palestine and who urged the Jews to be "organized as a mafia" http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/217493/harvey-weinstein-urges-jews-to-be-organized-as

You may then understand he produced a film such as Inglorious Basterd. Also the few excerpts I saw from the Django film is just an insult to this wonderful genre that was "spaghetti western". I mean what does it have from the "spaghetti" aesthetic? The characters are well dressed as though they could take a shower everyday in the Old West. The Spaghetti Westerns such as codified by Sergio Leone were characterized with filthy clothes, the sweat on the forehead, tanned skin, beards, ... To put it shortly, by authenticity. Tarantino just did American-style Westerns, and recuperated all the music stuff by Ennio, which in itself is an insult.
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12 Jan 2016 12:03

gooner wrote:Going in to see Creed at the weekend when it is released over here.

Has anyone seen it yet?



i have, stallone is superb. overall its a solid 8. best of the series since rocky 2.

Wallace got big.
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12 Jan 2016 18:14

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gooner wrote:Going in to see Creed at the weekend when it is released over here.

Has anyone seen it yet?



i have, stallone is superb. overall its a solid 8. best of the series since rocky 2.

Wallace got big.


Thanks. Looking forward to it.

I don't think I've read or heard a bad word about it.
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13 Jan 2016 02:15

Echoes wrote:But Inglorious Basterds is also an exaltation of vengeance. This is something that I can't get along with. Whether it be Jewish vengeance or Nazi vengeance, it's just the same for me. I could watch some Tarantino before that but after, just like BigMac, it's no. But I don't know if it's for the same reasons. :)

Actually, Inglorious was the first film he made for the Weinstein's, the most disgusting people in all Hollywood. One of the signataries of the Hollywood Support for Israel against Palestine and who urged the Jews to be "organized as a mafia" http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/217493/harvey-weinstein-urges-jews-to-be-organized-as

You may then understand he produced a film such as Inglorious Basterd. Also the few excerpts I saw from the Django film is just an insult to this wonderful genre that was "spaghetti western". I mean what does it have from the "spaghetti" aesthetic? The characters are well dressed as though they could take a shower everyday in the Old West. The Spaghetti Westerns such as codified by Sergio Leone were characterized with filthy clothes, the sweat on the forehead, tanned skin, beards, ... To put it shortly, by authenticity. Tarantino just did American-style Westerns, and recuperated all the music stuff by Ennio, which in itself is an insult.


America do cut-thoat politics, and lobbies, and PACs, what is it when you get an amalgam of Hollywood, a PAC, a "fictional" enemy, you get such a campaign.

But the comparison to Nazi vengeance and Jewish vengeance fails a moral equivalency test, these are inverted examples.

Now, Tarantino works in this medium of violence, and its stunts and tropes. I am not engaged by his work. But there were some scenes and the mise-en-scene of the french farmhouse and the cinema burning
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15 Jan 2016 02:23

The French farmhouse scene was top-notch riveting drama, as was the ear-cutting scene in reservoir dogs. Tarantino is a gifted filmmaker, but I don't get his propensity to go overboard. I'd like most of his movies more if they were a half-hour shorter.
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15 Jan 2016 02:45

the delgados wrote:The French farmhouse scene was top-notch riveting drama, as was the ear-cutting scene in reservoir dogs. Tarantino is a gifted filmmaker, but I don't get his propensity to go overboard. I'd like most of his movies more if they were a half-hour shorter.

IMO it's the only thing stopping him from having multiple Oscars. His dialogue and character interaction can be incredible.
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15 Jan 2016 15:03

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the delgados wrote:The French farmhouse scene was top-notch riveting drama, as was the ear-cutting scene in reservoir dogs. Tarantino is a gifted filmmaker, but I don't get his propensity to go overboard. I'd like most of his movies more if they were a half-hour shorter.

IMO it's the only thing stopping him from having multiple Oscars. His dialogue and character interaction can be incredible.

agreed.

still, if you look at reservoire dogs and pulp fiction, you easily have two of the best movies ever made in terms of dialogue and character interaction. Definitely topping my personal list of favorite movies all time.
In my opinion, subsequent Tarantino movies haven't had the ridiculously oustanding quality of those two movies, although many are still outstanding.

Tarantino movies that have slightly disappointed me - inspite of being high quality in various ways - include:
Kill Bill (too long)
Jackie Brown (too boring)
Django (great and entertaining, but not brilliant)
Inglorious Bastards (idem dito, although agreed: opening scene is top drawer)

That said, True Romance was basically his movie as well wasn't it? Loved that one.
And From Dusk till Dawn. Absolutely brilliant, even if over the top.
Also, he wrote the story+script for natural born killers, correct?

And often forgotten is how good an actor he is. Epic roles in PF, RD and FDTD.
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15 Jan 2016 15:49

I never thought of QT as being great, but I do think of him as being original, with a unique approach to films that results in flashes of brilliance. Some quick thoughts, on the one's I've seen:

Reservoir Dogs - Maybe not as original as his other films, but smart, and entertaining.
Pulp Fiction - Breakneck entertainment, didn't like the violence in it. But did like it overall.
Jackie Brown - Disappointing, boring, though quirky at times.
Kill Bill - Way too long. Should have been 1 film. Too violent. Masterful at times.
Death Proof - Some fantastic scenes, in great homage. Boring at times and disjointed.
Inglorious Bastards - Opening scene amazing. Cantina scene fantastic. Waltz terrific. "I speak Italian" scenes hilarious. Didn't like the message, thought the story overall was messy.
Django Unchained - Fairly entertaining, didn't like the semi-revisionist message here either.
I do not plan on seeing the Hateful Eight.

I'd also like to add True Romance (which he wrote). A very well written film with unique characters and captivating dialog.

I left out some of his other writing, producing and acting films. Thought he was good in Dusk 'til Dawn, but not in Desperado. I recall him being on the TV show Alias, and thinking he was okay. I can see why he didn't want to complete Natural Born Killers, or film it himself. Did a good job showing his directing style on the TV episode of ER.
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17 Jan 2016 16:41

I quite like Tarantino films. Yes they were a few flaws but overall his movies are enjoyable. I agree with most that he should have stuck to the one Kill Bill film as he overdid it there.

Inglorious Basterds had some truly stunning scenes, I don't mind the gore either, of course it's a little OTT but then gun fights and the like are going to be messy. You only have to look at some old police crime scene photos to realise how horrific it can get. It's just as realistic in a Tarantino film compared to some films which can completely underplay it.
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19 Jan 2016 18:26

The Revenant

Anyone else?

Not sure if this is a spoiler-free thread or not.

It was an impressive cinematic experience, no doubt.

In its own way, it had elements of many films I've seen, from The Last Samurai to Baraka to Apocalypto.

But the point of it all?

It left me with absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.

I reserve further opinion until others weigh-in, and to determine how much detail others care to have revealed.
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20 Jan 2016 12:56

Jacques de Molay wrote:The Revenant

Anyone else?

Not sure if this is a spoiler-free thread or not.

It was an impressive cinematic experience, no doubt.

In its own way, it had elements of many films I've seen, from The Last Samurai to Baraka to Apocalypto.

But the point of it all?

It left me with absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.

I reserve further opinion until others weigh-in, and to determine how much detail others care to have revealed.
I havent' seen Baraka, but with The Last Samurai and Apocalypto you mentioned to of the worst blockbusters of the last decade (imo). Doesn't bode well for the quality of the Revenant.
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20 Jan 2016 13:01

Apocalypto is the best American film of the past 30 years. And it's not even close.

Long Live Mel Gibson! :cool:
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20 Jan 2016 15:06

Jacques de Molay wrote:The Revenant

Anyone else?

Not sure if this is a spoiler-free thread or not.

It was an impressive cinematic experience, no doubt.

In its own way, it had elements of many films I've seen, from The Last Samurai to Baraka to Apocalypto.

But the point of it all?

It left me with absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.

I reserve further opinion until others weigh-in, and to determine how much detail others care to have revealed.

Yes. The production and cinematography was fantastic, that's about all I can say.
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20 Jan 2016 16:44

Sorry for going backwards. I watched Star Wars at the Imax Leicester sq. I took my 13 year old son Stan
and for the 1st half hour we kept turning around and saying "Awesome" Really enjoyed it and definitely up there with the Empire strikes back and hopefully all that ewok and jar jar sh%% can be forgotten.

They could bring back Bobba Fett like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYkL3orBoA8


Looking forward to these 2 films

batman v superman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WWzgGyAH6Y

suicide squad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go
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20 Jan 2016 18:20

Alpe d'Huez wrote:I never thought of QT as being great, but I do think of him as being original, with a unique approach to films that results in flashes of brilliance. Some quick thoughts, on the one's I've seen:

Reservoir Dogs - Maybe not as original as his other films, but smart, and entertaining.
Pulp Fiction - Breakneck entertainment, didn't like the violence in it. But did like it overall.
Jackie Brown - Disappointing, boring, though quirky at times.
Kill Bill - Way too long. Should have been 1 film. Too violent. Masterful at times.
Death Proof - Some fantastic scenes, in great homage. Boring at times and disjointed.
Inglorious Bastards - Opening scene amazing. Cantina scene fantastic. Waltz terrific. "I speak Italian" scenes hilarious. Didn't like the message, thought the story overall was messy.
Django Unchained - Fairly entertaining, didn't like the semi-revisionist message here either.
I do not plan on seeing the Hateful Eight.


I'd also like to add True Romance (which he wrote). A very well written film with unique characters and captivating dialog.

I left out some of his other writing, producing and acting films. Thought he was good in Dusk 'til Dawn, but not in Desperado. I recall him being on the TV show Alias, and thinking he was okay. I can see why he didn't want to complete Natural Born Killers, or film it himself. Did a good job showing his directing style on the TV episode of ER.



Pulp Fiction, Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained are my top 3 Tarantino flicks. It's not about the violence, it's about the acting, the old style, western/old european/spaghetti western/gangster style movies that sometimes flies over peoples heads, mostly due to everyone focusing on the violence and the gore. If I ever get the chance, I'll ask Tarantino if he based some of the Basterds scenes on the old Yugoslavian Partisan films which focused mainly on the WWII resistance movements against the Nazis. I am almost certain they were, but i'd love to ask him if I could. Plus he seems like a good person.
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20 Jan 2016 18:34

Given, my knowledge of cinema is pretty limited, but I'd say there's nothing old style about Tarantino's movies. But since it's not about the violence, as you say, then you must admit the pointlessness of it. It serves no purpose whatsoever other than to get sadistic giggles out of the audience. I agree that the acting is often great, but that's the actors, not Tarantino. He's good with words, though, I give him that. Speech is usually well crafted. Might be why he's planning to switch to theater after his tenth movie. What infuriates me about Inglourious Basterds is the way he [Tarantino] glorifies the senseless slaughter. He doesn't use the gore and murders the Apache and his clique commit to show us the attrocities on both sides or anything similar. The scalping and the torture and the abuse are there because he's a psycho, and he doesn't even try to hide it.
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20 Jan 2016 18:36

Tarantino is a one trick pony like Tim burton. Its become boring and predictable.
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BullsFan22 wrote:
Pulp Fiction, Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained are my top 3 Tarantino flicks. It's not about the violence, it's about the acting, the old style, western/old european/spaghetti western/gangster style movies that sometimes flies over peoples heads,


Well again I've referred to what the real Spaghetti Westerns were. I am a huge Spaghetti Western fan, especially in the Zapata subgenre. I must have watched some 50 of those films, some are dull but still it's the best film genre in history. And the few excerpts of Django Unchained that I've seen totally miss the aesthetic of the old Italian films.

Again, in those Spagh Western, you had characters with filthy clothes, tanned skin with sweat on the forehead and a beard. You could see that they were coming from a long way. Sergio Leone brought authenticity to the genre.

With Tarantino, you feel like those characters were having a shower everyday, ... in the Old West. Compare:

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Tarantino's cowboy characters have much more to do with the John Wayne type than with the Spaghetti type. Besides, the Spaghetti Westerns were rather centered around the Texas-Mexico border while the Tarantino film seems like it's set in the Rockies.

I know that he claimed those Euro type of films as an influence (like also the great Italian poliziottescho genre or the gialli, I guess) but the way I see it, he understood nothing of it. The Zapata Westerns, the Poliziotteschi and the Gialli were politically oriented films. Franco Nero described them as films that could concern anybody who believe in social justice :) (and yet they were despised by the left-wing critique, which labelled them as fascist, justicialist). I don't see anything of that in Tarantino's films. Anyway, you can't find any sympathy for the poor in any of the Hollywood films. It's a cinema that is purely based on Entertainment and on dream (in order to make the Friday Night moronic woman cry!) while the European cinema is a cinema of social criticism, the characters are the incarnation of a social conscience. In this respect, the Euro cinema has a lot more to do with literature (especially the Italian cinema, starting with the neo-realist genre of the immediate post-war period and then the above mentioned genres or else the French cinema of the 1930's).

Jean-François Giré is a critic who defended those Italian films. He argued that "what the Italians have never been forgiven is to have filmed the loss of our innocence and made it a rejoicing show". I kind of agree on that.

BullsFan22 wrote:
If I ever get the chance, I'll ask Tarantino if he based some of the Basterds scenes on the old Yugoslavian Partisan films which focused mainly on the WWII resistance movements against the Nazis.


That would just be aggravating then. :o

I keep saying. When I heard Mélanie Laurent shouting: "Jewish Vengeance !!!" I knew it was not my kind of film. These people (Tarantino & Weinstein) don't have the same values as I have... By the way, I'm just baffled that Mélanie Laurent became such huge film star. She really has no talent.

Given, my knowledge of cinema is pretty limited, but I'd say there's nothing old style about Tarantino's movies.


He's actually mixing up everything that already has been done. ;) If I were to take his western films, it's just that he does not realize that Westerns had their place in time. He's trying to emulate the old-time great, never matching them but never inventing anything new. While when Leone created the Spaghetti Western genre with Per un Pugno di dollari (in 1964), it just like an atomic bomb. It was a western like you had never seen before, totally baroque, with concern for costume authenticity, etc. and then came the Zapata subgenre and suddenly the Italians put in the spotlight a long-time forgotten or belittled hero, the Mexican peon! This whole era must have been so wonderful.

You shouldn't be ashamed to have a limited knowledge of cinema mate because it's after all a minor art compared to literature, just read good classic books, a book is always better than a film, because of temporality. ;)

But if I have to recommend a genre, that would be the Spaghetti-Zapata Western such as "El Chucho, quien sabe?" (1964), "La resa dei conti" (1966), "Il Mercenario" (1968), "Vamos a matar, Compañeros" (1970), "O Cangaçeiro" (1970) or "Faccia a Faccia" (1967). These are really inspiring films. :)
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