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30 Jan 2016 20:33

I don't know where I got the Cancellara bit from to be honest. I'm a bit puzzled myself.
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30 Jan 2016 20:46

I'm pretty sure It won't be the last, technology keeps evolving and people will keep on finding ways to trick the system.
I'm sad that cyclocross got the first however, this sport doesn't deserve this at all.
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30 Jan 2016 20:53

These bike motors are real and have been commercially available for years. With electronic shifting bikes with batteries are not even going to be questioned. In a CX race one can change a bike every lap-1/2 lap ie every 5-10 mins. Would seem like the perfect discipline for this form of cheating. Also would be super impactful to get a boost given the nature of the race long effort cross requires. Count me NOT surprised.
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30 Jan 2016 21:01

Benotti69 wrote:
hrotha wrote:It remains to be seen how easy it was to detect. Everybody can put a motor in their bike. Avoiding detection (which is what makes it feasible in a professional context) is a different matter altogether.


Brown envelopes help hide motors easily.


Aaron Brown envelopes.
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30 Jan 2016 21:01

Benotti69 wrote:Femke van den Driessche's brother is under a suspension for EPO. Ironically her team has "No Drugs" jersey logo

interesting.
What are the chances of an EPO positive?
What are the chances of a motor positive?
What are the chances of both occurring in one and the same family?
Just saying it would seem she was targeted.

Cue UCI pretending how this case shows that they are on top of things and that the controls work.

to anyone, what kind of ban is she facing?
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30 Jan 2016 21:03

Benotti69 wrote:Rider, Thomas Pidcock, in the Men's Junior CX WC race came from 32nd on the last lap to finish 5th!!!


That's not true.

Pidcock started the last lap in 12th in the worst case, I don't know now in certain, but I am absolutely certain that he was for some time in a group which was fighting for a top-8 position at least.
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30 Jan 2016 21:08

Indeed, cross is the perfect prey for this technology. And women's races even more so, being sexistly shorter still, which the rider power output AND weight are smaller. The smallest of engines and batteries is going to be the difference between mid field and win (and then some), if the rider can steer well.
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30 Jan 2016 21:10

Ricco' wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:Rider, Thomas Pidcock, in the Men's Junior CX WC race came from 32nd on the last lap to finish 5th!!!


That's not true.

Pidcock started the last lap in 12th in the worst case, I don't know now in certain, but I am absolutely certain that he was for some time in a group which was fighting for a top-8 position at least.


I heard it from the commentators. They made a big thing of it how he came from 32nd on last lap.
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30 Jan 2016 21:11

At Koppenberg Cross Femke van den Driessche's time up Koppenberg was 5% faster then all female Pro's. Only 21 sec behind Sven Nys.
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30 Jan 2016 21:12

Just found out about this. A 19-year old girl for crying out loud. You know I actually kind of feel sorry for her. As a 19-year old it's perfectly reasonable that you're not able to fully understand the consequences of your actions yet. Sure you know you're doing something wrong, but you often underestimate the impact it might have when you get caught.

Now, what's totally baffling me is why nobody from her entourage talked this out of her head (assuming it was her idea in the first place). As a mature person, what kind of total idiot you must be to go along with this and put such a young girl in this kind of position?
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30 Jan 2016 21:14

Benotti69 wrote:
Ricco' wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:Rider, Thomas Pidcock, in the Men's Junior CX WC race came from 32nd on the last lap to finish 5th!!!


That's not true.

Pidcock started the last lap in 12th in the worst case, I don't know now in certain, but I am absolutely certain that he was for some time in a group which was fighting for a top-8 position at least.


I heard it from the commentators. They made a big thing of it how he came from 32nd on last lap.


He started in 32nd (or around that mark).

I'm just seeing the replay now, he was 12th in the beginning of the last lap (17th two laps from the finish).
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30 Jan 2016 21:17

Flamin wrote:Just found out about this. A 19-year old girl for crying out loud. You know I actually kind of feel sorry for her. As a 19-year old it's perfectly reasonable that you're not able to fully understand the consequences of your actions yet. Sure you know you're doing something wrong, but you often underestimate the impact it might have when you get caught.

Now, what's totally baffling me is why nobody from her entourage talked this out of her head (assuming it was her idea in the first place). As a mature person, what kind of total idiot you must be to go along with this and put such a young girl in this kind of position?


Cheating in pro cycling is part of the culture, whether PEDs or mechanical doping.
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30 Jan 2016 21:30

If she is the first one caught then it means that it has been around for several years already.

Although it's a bit of a line in the sand, for me, this is worse than pharmacological doping.
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30 Jan 2016 21:33

Flamin wrote:Just found out about this. A 19-year old girl for crying out loud. You know I actually kind of feel sorry for her. As a 19-year old it's perfectly reasonable that you're not able to fully understand the consequences of your actions yet. Sure you know you're doing something wrong, but you often underestimate the impact it might have when you get caught.

Now, what's totally baffling me is why nobody from her entourage talked this out of her head (assuming it was her idea in the first place). As a mature person, what kind of total idiot you must be to go along with this and put such a young girl in this kind of position?


Just read the Genvieve Jeanson story :(

This young rider for sure is culpable, but I highly doubt she had the money to buy the motor or the technical skill to install it. Sounds like it is the parent that deserves to take the biggest fall, but alas its not his picture now splashed all over the internet. What a thing for this young woman to have to deal with for the rest of her life.
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30 Jan 2016 21:38

I don't know what to say.

So, if a teenage girl is persuaded by the advantages of this type of cheat in a CX race, imagine the lures in races where the prestige and money add up just about a hundred times more...
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30 Jan 2016 21:39

Benotti69 wrote:At Koppenberg Cross Femke van den Driessche's time up Koppenberg was 5% faster then all female Pro's. Only 21 sec behind Sven Nys.

Source?
Perhaps tergeted/snitched/sacrificed then?
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30 Jan 2016 21:42

Cloxxki wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:At Koppenberg Cross Femke van den Driessche's time up Koppenberg was 5% faster then all female Pro's. Only 21 sec behind Sven Nys.

Source?
Perhaps tergeted/snitched/sacrificed then?


http://www.chronorace.be/classements/listerapports.aspx?eventId=1137431894074161

crdev.blob.core.windows.net/files/12583.pdf
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30 Jan 2016 21:46

This would never happen, it would be a cheating step too far! Yeah right.
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30 Jan 2016 21:51

Benotti69 wrote:
Cloxxki wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:At Koppenberg Cross Femke van den Driessche's time up Koppenberg was 5% faster then all female Pro's. Only 21 sec behind Sven Nys.

Source?
Perhaps tergeted/snitched/sacrificed then?


http://www.chronorace.be/classements/listerapports.aspx?eventId=1137431894074161

crdev.blob.core.windows.net/files/12583.pdf


apparently Nikki Harris was not happy with Van Driessche's performance at Koppenberg Cross.
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30 Jan 2016 21:53

Thanks,

Koppenberg
Pos Nr UCI Code Name Age NOC Team # Time Gap
1. 10 BEL19960827 VAN DEN DRIESSCHE FEMKE 19 BEL 1 02:58.04
2. 2 GBR19810304 WYMAN HELEN 34 GBR SWIFT RACING TEAM 1 03:07.96 +00:09.92
3. 5 BEL19900101 VERSCHUREN JOLIEN 25 BEL 1 03:08.58 +00:10.54
4. 7 NED19931106 DE JONG THALITA 22 NED 1 03:08.78 +00:10.73
5. 3 GBR19861230 HARRIS NIKKI 29 GBR TC GROENEWOUD 1 03:13.17 +00:15.12
6. 1 BEL19901008 CANT SANNE 25 BEL 1 03:13.28 +00:15.24
7. 4 NED19881027 VAN PAASSEN SANNE 27 NED WV SCHIJNDEL 1 03:16.53 +00:18.48
8. 8 NED19940928 KAPTHEIJNS MAUD 21 NED 1 03:21.06 +00:23.02
9. 6 BEL19800916 VAN LOY ELLEN 35 BEL 1 03:21.42 +00:23.37
10. 35 GBR19000101 SIMPSON ANNIE GBR 1 03:31.94 +00:33.90
11. 46 NED19950211 WITLOX LIZZY 20 NED TWC TEMPO 1 03:36.86 +00:38.81
12. 32 GBR19940323 PAYTON HANNAH 21 GBR GREAT BRITAIN 1 03:38.94 +00:40.90
13. 34 FRA19000101 PETIT MARLENE FRA 1 03:39.64 +00:41.59
14. 27 GBR19850517 LEE DIANE 30 GBR MULE BAR GIRLS SIGMA SPORT 1 03:42.11 +00:44.07
15. 36 NED19870604 TER BEEK LINDA 28 NED HWV DE TUBANTERS 1 03:42.23 +00:44.19
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