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13 Sep 2017 13:47

You can easily 'see' one of these in a composite wheel

https://twitter.com/mashable/status/907831106703167488
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13 Sep 2017 13:53

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13 Sep 2017 14:17

the delgados wrote:
chuuurles wrote:sky went full MOtard


Nice one.
I'm far removed from riding up hills in a 39-27 and have no idea what gear ratios these guys are using, but that does not look normal. Especially when you consider the gradient of the climb which was near the very end of a GT.
Guy looks like he got a huge push from a spectator at the steepest part of the incline so he could have a chat with the Vroomster.


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere Sky riders were using 34 small ring on the front and a 11-32 on the back.
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13 Sep 2017 14:56

Can anyone get Poels data from that stage - if his heart rate didnt change then thats game over
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13 Sep 2017 15:14

Cycle Chic wrote:Can anyone get Poels data from that stage - if his heart rate didnt change then thats game over


Game was over a while ago - Froome's heart rate didn't change on Ventoux in 2013...
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13 Sep 2017 16:09

Here's hoping Cookson loses the election and the new guy cleans up Sky and British cycling.
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13 Sep 2017 17:10

Craigee wrote:Here's hoping Cookson loses the election and the new guy cleans up Sky and British cycling.



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-reveals-plans-for-team-sky-a-la-francaise/
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13 Sep 2017 19:01

jens_attacks wrote:
Craigee wrote:Here's hoping Cookson loses the election and the new guy cleans up Sky and British cycling.



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-reveals-plans-for-team-sky-a-la-francaise/


Here's hoping for pink unicorns!
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13 Sep 2017 19:37

Random Direction wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:Froome and Poels today super motored!!!!!

Look at Poels talking to Froome as he goes past on the steep part of the corner like it was flat. FFS!!!!!!!!!


https://twitter.com/Archidux/status/906557462580514817


Poels in that clip leaves me zero doubt that a motor was engaged. He:
- speeds up on the steepest section of the hairpin
- takes an unnatural line
- almost loses his back wheel
- drops Zakarin like a fly
- has a chat about the weather with Froome as he goes by
- doesn't change cadence

I did think it looked like it was doctored but maybe just so unbelievable - Looking back at it - does Poels do something with his hands before he speeds up the incline ? Looks like he nearly turns/pulls down on the crossbar like revving an engine---or am I losing it altogether and just seeing things that aren't there ?
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Re: Motor doping thread

13 Sep 2017 20:57

StryderHells wrote:
the delgados wrote:
chuuurles wrote:sky went full MOtard


Nice one.
I'm far removed from riding up hills in a 39-27 and have no idea what gear ratios these guys are using, but that does not look normal. Especially when you consider the gradient of the climb which was near the very end of a GT.
Guy looks like he got a huge push from a spectator at the steepest part of the incline so he could have a chat with the Vroomster.


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere Sky riders were using 34 small ring on the front and a 11-32 on the back.


That explains a lot.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Poels, or anyone else was riding with a motor; but if not, the gear ratios used by the team makes it seem entirely plausible he hit that incline on his own steam.
Keep in mind he was waiting for Froome to catch up, so he had some time to take a breather before going into mountain bike mode to keep up.
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13 Sep 2017 21:00

noddy69 wrote:
Random Direction wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:Froome and Poels today super motored!!!!!

Look at Poels talking to Froome as he goes past on the steep part of the corner like it was flat. FFS!!!!!!!!!


https://twitter.com/Archidux/status/906557462580514817


Poels in that clip leaves me zero doubt that a motor was engaged. He:
- speeds up on the steepest section of the hairpin
- takes an unnatural line
- almost loses his back wheel
- drops Zakarin like a fly
- has a chat about the weather with Froome as he goes by
- doesn't change cadence

I did think it looked like it was doctored but maybe just so unbelievable - Looking back at it - does Poels do something with his hands before he speeds up the incline ? Looks like he nearly turns/pulls down on the crossbar like revving an engine---or am I losing it altogether and just seeing things that aren't there ?


Yes, he changes gears in the rear cassette using his right hand.

Not seeing it here guys. I do see the rocking of his body characteristic of a large burst of effort right at the point of acceleration and gear change.
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14 Sep 2017 06:55

DanielSong39 wrote:
Cycle Chic wrote:Can anyone get Poels data from that stage - if his heart rate didnt change then thats game over


Game was over a while ago - Froome's heart rate didn't change on Ventoux in 2013...

Can you share?
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Re: Motor doping thread

14 Sep 2017 08:38

the delgados wrote:
StryderHells wrote:
the delgados wrote:
chuuurles wrote:sky went full MOtard


Nice one.
I'm far removed from riding up hills in a 39-27 and have no idea what gear ratios these guys are using, but that does not look normal. Especially when you consider the gradient of the climb which was near the very end of a GT.
Guy looks like he got a huge push from a spectator at the steepest part of the incline so he could have a chat with the Vroomster.


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere Sky riders were using 34 small ring on the front and a 11-32 on the back.


That explains a lot.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Poels, or anyone else was riding with a motor; but if not, the gear ratios used by the team makes it seem entirely plausible he hit that incline on his own steam.
Keep in mind he was waiting for Froome to catch up, so he had some time to take a breather before going into mountain bike mode to keep up.


I don't think smaller gears explain that clip in any way. There's nothing magic about a smaller gear. You just spin faster for the same speed. If anything he appears to be in way too big a gear for the incline but is putting in little visible effort.
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14 Sep 2017 10:40

Even Froome looks at him in bewilderment as he passes - like 'are you taking the pi** '
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14 Sep 2017 10:58

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2vx79f
Guimard being interviewed at the start of the 2015 tour. He talks about motordope in French. Its very interesting.
He compares the few possible motor incidents, like Cancellara and Hesjedahl, with the few epo incidents (Gewiss Balan) before the Festina scandal.
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14 Sep 2017 11:41

Amazinmets87 wrote:
DanielSong39 wrote:
Cycle Chic wrote:Can anyone get Poels data from that stage - if his heart rate didnt change then thats game over


Game was over a while ago - Froome's heart rate didn't change on Ventoux in 2013...

Can you share?


It's on YouTube.
Chris FROOME WATT and BPM at Monte Ventoux 2013
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14 Sep 2017 14:34

jens_attacks wrote:
Craigee wrote:Here's hoping Cookson loses the election and the new guy cleans up Sky and British cycling.



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-reveals-plans-for-team-sky-a-la-francaise/



Yes but that was 3 and a half years ago and it never eventuated. They obviously didn't use TUE's and motors. They must have been honest so maybe David Lappartient is a good man for the job.
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14 Sep 2017 18:24

Benotti69 wrote:You can easily 'see' one of these in a composite wheel

https://twitter.com/mashable/status/907831106703167488

Yep, I posted that a few weeks ago, it doesn't seem too hard to hide in a disk.
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14 Sep 2017 18:39

Benotti69 wrote:Basic electric motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMCbrjEPvs

simples.

So you are saying that we should be watching for bikes with a pencil sticking out of the side? :lol:

My questions with hub motors is: how do you get the QR through the motor, how do you fit a motor inside a standard hub, how do you transfer power from the motor to the freewheel? Where is the storage module?
Remember that the "parts" have to be robust enough to handle the loads (watch gears aren't going to cut it).
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14 Sep 2017 18:43

jmdirt wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:You can easily 'see' one of these in a composite wheel

https://twitter.com/mashable/status/907831106703167488

Yep, I posted that a few weeks ago, it doesn't seem too hard to hide in a disk.


EDIT: You even commented on it! So much poo in this storm its hard to keep track! :lol:

https://content.superpedestrian.com/the-copenhagen-wheel

The hub is 16 lbs. though.
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