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24 Sep 2017 22:03

Another monster performance; is he going to try and do a 'Nino'?

For me, he's the most talented male bike rider around......
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25 Sep 2017 13:45

It was over 3 minutes into the race. I appreciate excellence and MVP is one of my favorites but these races are getting boring. It was already happening last year with both he and Van Aert. I find the women's races to be more entertaining these days.

I guess MVP has great form from the mtb and road racing over the summer but I wonder how long it'll last. You have to figure he'll have a bit of a lull at some point before building back up for Worlds. Or could he possibly be this strong the entire year? Good performance from Soete.
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25 Sep 2017 15:12

It's hard to enjoy Mathieu's total dominance when one appreciate a road bunch sprint won by Sagan. It's logical after all. Even if both have the same nasty wheelying habit but at least Mathieu is still low-profile and discrete off the bike.

I would always cherish a solo from first to last lap in cyclocross. Even when it was by Niels Albert (whom I disliked but appreciated the talent). If we love the sport we don't need suspense. Just admire the talent.

On the road, I'd take women's cycling any day. In cross, both are equally as enjoyable to me.
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25 Sep 2017 17:27

Echoes wrote:It's hard to enjoy Mathieu's total dominance when one appreciate a road bunch sprint won by Sagan. It's logical after all. Even if both have the same nasty wheelying habit but at least Mathieu is still low-profile and discrete off the bike.

I can appreciate any kind of win, and while I've never been one of the biggest Sagan fans out there, I appreciate and admire his talent and have changed my tune on him somewhat.

I cheer for Mathieu to win pretty much every race he enters, whether road, cross, or mtb. I'm thrilled he won but I have to admit that it's just not quite as enjoyable to watch when there's very little drama. Maybe I should ask him to at least wait until midway through the race before destroying everyone.
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I would always cherish a solo from first to last lap in cyclocross. Even when it was by Niels Albert (whom I disliked but appreciated the talent). If we love the sport we don't need suspense. Just admire the talent.


I don't disagree here. I would add that if we love the sport we should also appreciate all kinds of wins, whether by attack, sprint, breakaway, mtf, etc...

I did not like Albert either. I always preferred Nys, Stybar, and even Boom.
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27 Sep 2017 13:16

jaylew wrote:
Echoes wrote:It's hard to enjoy Mathieu's total dominance when one appreciate a road bunch sprint won by Sagan. It's logical after all. Even if both have the same nasty wheelying habit but at least Mathieu is still low-profile and discrete off the bike.

I can appreciate any kind of win, and while I've never been one of the biggest Sagan fans out there, I appreciate and admire his talent and have changed my tune on him somewhat.

I cheer for Mathieu to win pretty much every race he enters, whether road, cross, or mtb. I'm thrilled he won but I have to admit that it's just not quite as enjoyable to watch when there's very little drama. Maybe I should ask him to at least wait until midway through the race before destroying everyone.


I think I'm behind this thought also. I enjoy when he goes solo from the start, but I hope it's not the only thing that would happen. As a VDP fan I'm over the moon when it happens, but I also like to see good duels. Hope Van Aert comes back stronger, my favorite crosses of last season happened all when they both challenged each other to the max (Gieten, Zonhoven, Namur, etc.).
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01 Oct 2017 15:36

MvdP with another today! The kid is good!
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01 Oct 2017 20:37

Ricco' wrote:
jaylew wrote:
Echoes wrote:It's hard to enjoy Mathieu's total dominance when one appreciate a road bunch sprint won by Sagan. It's logical after all. Even if both have the same nasty wheelying habit but at least Mathieu is still low-profile and discrete off the bike.

I can appreciate any kind of win, and while I've never been one of the biggest Sagan fans out there, I appreciate and admire his talent and have changed my tune on him somewhat.

I cheer for Mathieu to win pretty much every race he enters, whether road, cross, or mtb. I'm thrilled he won but I have to admit that it's just not quite as enjoyable to watch when there's very little drama. Maybe I should ask him to at least wait until midway through the race before destroying everyone.


I think I'm behind this thought also. I enjoy when he goes solo from the start, but I hope it's not the only thing that would happen. As a VDP fan I'm over the moon when it happens, but I also like to see good duels. Hope Van Aert comes back stronger, my favorite crosses of last season happened all when they both challenged each other to the max (Gieten, Zonhoven, Namur, etc.).

Apparently Mathieu read our posts and decided to slow down for a little while today :p
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08 Oct 2017 14:16

Van der Poel beaten for the first time this season. Ends second in GP Mario De Clerq, after he beat Van Aert in a sprint. Lars van der Haar takes the win from a solo effort. He went with two laps to go, with both van der Poel and Van Aert unwilling to close the gap for each other.
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08 Oct 2017 16:04

Yeah, Lars went at the perfect time. Wout had just brought back VDP's attack and they just gifted him 20-30 seconds. Also one of the only times this year Mathieu didn't take the lead from the gun. I know he won again yesterday but I wonder if he's beginning to come back to the field a bit. Not my favorite course today.
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08 Oct 2017 16:05

Best races of the season so far today. The first time we really saw them taking it out of each other was at Gieten last weekend, but yesterday was a fight until Vanthourenhout and VDP hopped the hurdles and WVA didnt and then Vanthourenhout had to get off in the sand which gave VDP a gap that neither could close down. Then today, they were virtually shoulder to shoulder for the whole race apart from the first lap where MVDP was slightly behind. It is a shame Sweeck slipped and knocked his chain off, as that would added another dynamic into the race, as well as Van der Haar, Aerts, Vanthourenhout and Pauwels.
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08 Oct 2017 16:15

jaylew wrote:Yeah, Lars went at the perfect time. Wout had just brought back VDP's attack and they just gifted him 20-30 seconds. Also one of the only times this year Mathieu didn't take the lead from the gun. I know he won again yesterday but I wonder if he's beginning to come back to the field a bit. Not my favorite course today.

I have to admit, I find the courses in the DVV Trofee more interesting, although I do like Zonhoven and Gieten from the Superprestige, Kruibeke and Hulst from the Brico cross, and all of the Soudal Classics (although the Niel/Jaarmarktcross is a bit strange, and last year they had a 'spiral of doom' which just ruin courses in my opinion)
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08 Oct 2017 17:51

I've always liked the DVV routes as well. A lot of variety: hills (Kruisberg, Koppenberg), sand (Lille), flat (Hasselt before), usually there's a lot of mud in Loenhout depending on the weather, etc. Despite being the less prestigious of the three rankings.

Lars was really smart, attacking at the right moment, on the asphalt when Mathieu and Wout were keeping a sharp eye on each other. The two greats had just attacked and countered each other.

If the ranking still works with time, the two champs will have to work to bridge the 20" they lost to the jack russell. :)

One thing surprised me though. As Lars admitted himself, it's his first win in a ranking event outside of the World Cup. He's never won any Superprestige race and it's his first DVV (formerly GvA then BPost Bank) Trophy event victory. It's a coincidence probably that so many of his win till date were World Cup events (and there were quite a few of them, last one Hoogerheide for his return to the top :))

lemon cheese cake wrote:but yesterday was a fight until Vanthourenhout and VDP hopped the hurdles and WVA didnt


But it's always been so. Mathieu always hops the hurdles and Wout never does (reason being a crash as a junior or a U23 if I'm not mistaken).
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09 Oct 2017 09:33

I just read that Van Aert said after the race that it wasn't his responsability to respond to Van der Haar's attack, especially when he had on his wheel VdP. Wth? As far as I remember, Van der Haar's attack came when VdP was leading the group, with Van Aert behind him and after the dutch was attacking the whole previous lap.
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09 Oct 2017 18:58

And yet he still claimed that he had "raced" for the whole race until then and "it's logical that I should stop just thereafter. That is how he justified that sentence.

He had attacked at the start of that lap, on the asphalt hill if I'm not mistaken and then Mathieu counter-attacked but Wout had to fight to keep up with Mathieu with Lars comfortably on his wheel.

Of course the journalists just remembered that sentence from the Wout interview but he also admitted that it was a silly situation and that Lars made a smart move.

Not really much to say. After all it's a classic in cycling history. Two rivals fighting too much against each other and a third man capitalising on that rivalry. ;)
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09 Oct 2017 20:08

Echoes wrote:
lemon cheese cake wrote:but yesterday was a fight until Vanthourenhout and VDP hopped the hurdles and WVA didnt


But it's always been so. Mathieu always hops the hurdles and Wout never does (reason being a crash as a junior or a U23 if I'm not mistaken).

He didn't hop in Eeklo, in the first race of the season. Although in both US world cups, he did. Waterloo were definitely not full height (probably 20cm), although Iowa may have been (UCI full height is 40cm). He also hopped the hurdles/barriers/planks/gates (call them what you want) in Gieten, which I think were full height.
Last season he only hopped the planks when they were low (Essen, they were lower at the sides), or when he needed to (Antwerp, which was a fast course). Despite being better at 20cm or even 35cm, he still had a hairy moment at Waterloo:
https://youtu.be/c-necF-FLBc?t=22m3s
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14 Oct 2017 12:51

Brico Cross Kruibeke is starting.

And for once, the thing people are talking about isn't the Van Aert/Van der Poel duel. It's the first cross season as an U23 of the amazing prospect Tom Pidcock. And it's going to be already on the elite race!
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14 Oct 2017 14:16

Ricco' wrote:Brico Cross Kruibeke is starting.

And for once, the thing people are talking about isn't the Van Aert/Van der Poel duel. It's the first cross season as an U23 of the amazing prospect Tom Pidcock. And it's going to be already on the elite race!

Very impressive top ten finish in the group that sprinted for 6th place.
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14 Oct 2017 16:17

Pretty impressive seeing as he wasn't expecting a lot; his first race of the season.
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15 Oct 2017 14:28

Victory #8 in 9 races for MVP on the legendary Zonhoven. Exciting 3 first laps, but afterwards it was more of the same. Good duel between Van Aert and Van der Haar for 2nd, with David Van der Poel in a great 4th place, one of the best races I've seen him doing.
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15 Oct 2017 19:13

Zonhoven remains one of my favourite courses. For the people who don't know it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg1-GcGehlk

Mens race starts after 90 minutes.
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