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2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

01 Nov 2017 16:40

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2-7-million-euro-debt-forces-italian-federation-to-make-drastic-budget-cuts/

Only bidder is Vicenza in Italy but it's struggling to get state backing. In terms of alternatives, Australia has interest and I'm sure somewhere in the UK could pull something together.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

01 Nov 2017 16:50

MatParker117 wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2-7-million-euro-debt-forces-italian-federation-to-make-drastic-budget-cuts/

Only bidder is Vicenza in Italy but it's struggling to get state backing. In terms of alternatives, Australia has interest and I'm sure somewhere in the UK could pull something together.

The UK has it in 2019 already. Australia totally depends on where for me.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

01 Nov 2017 16:58

Red Rick wrote:
MatParker117 wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2-7-million-euro-debt-forces-italian-federation-to-make-drastic-budget-cuts/

Only bidder is Vicenza in Italy but it's struggling to get state backing. In terms of alternatives, Australia has interest and I'm sure somewhere in the UK could pull something together.

The UK has it in 2019 already. Australia totally depends on where for me.


TDU area has been mentioned.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

01 Nov 2017 17:00

Hope Bogota will try again if Vicenza should fail.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

01 Nov 2017 17:06

MatParker117 wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
MatParker117 wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2-7-million-euro-debt-forces-italian-federation-to-make-drastic-budget-cuts/

Only bidder is Vicenza in Italy but it's struggling to get state backing. In terms of alternatives, Australia has interest and I'm sure somewhere in the UK could pull something together.

The UK has it in 2019 already. Australia totally depends on where for me.


TDU area has been mentioned.


I know it's a well used climb, but a few finishing laps of Willunga hill would be fine with me as a quick fix, it's a hard enough test to make a real difference.
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01 Nov 2017 19:35

It's not a bad news giving that the route would be pretty easy.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

01 Nov 2017 22:51

el chava wrote:Hope Bogota will try again if Vicenza should fail.

It might depend on how they fare next year with the "Colombia Oro y Paz" race.

Hope we apply for another world championship!
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01 Nov 2017 23:46

Maybe we just skip it in 2020, it's mostly dull anyway. The UCI can surely stretch that Olympic money another year.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

02 Nov 2017 17:20

Kind of sad to see that the ill-advised pursuit of the
"low-hanging fruit" of tracks medals, "that nobody
except the Brits and the Aussies care about" has
financially crippled the national body of a once
proud and dominant traditional cycling nation.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

02 Nov 2017 19:05

oldcrank wrote:Kind of sad to see that the ill-advised pursuit of the
"low-hanging fruit" of tracks medals, "that nobody
except the Brits and the Aussies care about" has
financially crippled the national body of a once
proud and dominant traditional cycling nation.

What are you talking about?
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

02 Nov 2017 20:24

Brullnux wrote:
oldcrank wrote:Kind of sad to see that the ill-advised pursuit of the
"low-hanging fruit" of tracks medals, "that nobody
except the Brits and the Aussies care about" has
financially crippled the national body of a once
proud and dominant traditional cycling nation.

What are you talking about?

Italy spending a lot of money on their track cycling program, I don't think that's the big problem.
The biggest problem overall is the fact that the WC has become waaay to expensive, it's as expensive Tour de France grand depart and that gives you way more coverage and eyeballs, you can have a few Giro starts for the same amount of money and the WC is mostly a race that only the hardcore fans and the riders care about, the kind of exposure that you get for that amount of money isn't that great.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

03 Nov 2017 06:19

Pricey_sky wrote:
MatParker117 wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
MatParker117 wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2-7-million-euro-debt-forces-italian-federation-to-make-drastic-budget-cuts/

Only bidder is Vicenza in Italy but it's struggling to get state backing. In terms of alternatives, Australia has interest and I'm sure somewhere in the UK could pull something together.

The UK has it in 2019 already. Australia totally depends on where for me.


TDU area has been mentioned.


I know it's a well used climb, but a few finishing laps of Willunga hill would be fine with me as a quick fix, it's a hard enough test to make a real difference.

Brisbane would be able to provide a route with a lot of short, sharp hills somewhere between Liege and Amstel in terms of profile. The weather shouldn’t be too hot by then either.
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Re: 2020 World Championship struggling to get state support

03 Nov 2017 09:02

Mayomaniac wrote:
Brullnux wrote:
oldcrank wrote:Kind of sad to see that the ill-advised pursuit of the
"low-hanging fruit" of tracks medals, "that nobody
except the Brits and the Aussies care about" has
financially crippled the national body of a once
proud and dominant traditional cycling nation.

What are you talking about?

Italy spending a lot of money on their track cycling program, I don't think that's the big problem.
The biggest problem overall is the fact that the WC has become waaay to expensive, it's as expensive Tour de France grand depart and that gives you way more coverage and eyeballs, you can have a few Giro starts for the same amount of money and the WC is mostly a race that only the hardcore fans and the riders care about, the kind of exposure that you get for that amount of money isn't that great.


Yep.

‘Can’t rule out a loss’
The event had a budget of NOK 156 million. BT estimated that total costs may hit around NOK 220 million. “The receipts haven’t been tallied yet, and we’ll have to see what’s come in, but I’m worried,” Hansen admitted to BT. “I can’t rule out there will be a loss. It’s demanding to host a world championships, but the public has been fantastic. I hope those who have any influence can see that this has been a fantastic promotion of Bergen, of Western Norway and the whole country, and that they won’t let the cycling federation bleed afterwards.”

...

Salte is worried the budget fiasco will hurt the cycling sport in Norway. “It’s a special situation, the federation will have to fire some of its people,” Salte said. “The payroll is the only area where they can save money.” He also claimed the federation should have been better prepared for currency exchange costs. When Bergen 2017 was granted the rights to host the world championships in 2017, a licensing fee of EUR 7 million from the international cycling federation (UCI) was attached. “They should have paid that earlier (when the Norwegian krone was stronger). Instead they put it off.” That means the EUR 7 million now costs nearly NOK 65 million instead of the NOK 50 million that was budgeted.

State officials, meanwhile, reminded reporters that the state already has contributed NOK 52 million in funding for the event, NOK 12 million more than initially requested. They weren’t at all sure there would be any willingness to bail out the organizers now.


It's btw quite clear, that we are on the same way like FIFA and IOC. Lappartient was elected by all african nations in UCI, so they will get a WRC in the not too distant future. South Africa, Egypt, Tunisia, Rwanda and Morocco are interested.

In the classic cycling countries there is no money for stuff like that anymore. Same with Summer/Winter games, where one candidate after the other gets rejected by the population.
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03 Nov 2017 09:49

why not put Roubaix or some village around Arenberg forest up for organizing. Imagine that, a Worlds lap with 10 times the Arenberg forest sector
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03 Nov 2017 10:20

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:why not put Roubaix or some village around Arenberg forest up for organizing. Imagine that, a Worlds lap with 10 times the Arenberg forest sector

I think we've all thought about this a few times. Never going to happen, but it would be so great.
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04 Nov 2017 21:07

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:why not put Roubaix or some village around Arenberg forest up for organizing. Imagine that, a Worlds lap with 10 times the Arenberg forest sector

I would fly from Australia to Northern France just to dump water on the cobbles the night before the race if that happened!
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14 Nov 2017 12:13

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:why not put Roubaix or some village around Arenberg forest up for organizing. Imagine that, a Worlds lap with 10 times the Arenberg forest sector

If you go check the Race Design Thread I think I've partly fulfilled that fantasy now. Will never ever happen, but we can dream.
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14 Nov 2017 15:37

Why did it cost Bergen over €25m to host? That seems like an insane amount of money to pay for some police overtime, get a couple of helicopters, some motos, and some TV cameras and close a few roads for a week. Difficult to see how they could recoup that in terms of exposure or increase in visitors during the WC.

IIRC Team Sky has a budget of about €35m per year. That seems a much better return on investment in terms of publicity, than holding a week of races in a niche sport - only one of which most people have any real interest in.
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14 Nov 2017 19:11

It didn't cost Bergen that much. The Norwegian cycling federation has to come up with the money. Bergen, the Norwegian state and sponsors obviously chipped in but they are not the ones organizing.

Norway is an expensive country. Crowds were pretty big throughout the week if I recall correctly.
Closing roads in the 2nd largest city of your country is obviously quite expensive. Police is not that cheap, especially not in Norway.

Theres not only these costs you seem to underestimate, there's also the cost of keeping an airplane in the air during your broadcasts, accomodating the riders, staff and press, constructing the temporary infrastructure, publicity,...


Oh yeah, they had to pay the UCI 7million euros for organizing. That probably didn't help either.
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14 Nov 2017 19:35

Breh wrote:It didn't cost Bergen that much. The Norwegian cycling federation has to come up with the money. Bergen, the Norwegian state and sponsors obviously chipped in but they are not the ones organizing.

Norway is an expensive country. Crowds were pretty big throughout the week if I recall correctly.
Closing roads in the 2nd largest city of your country is obviously quite expensive. Police is not that cheap, especially not in Norway.

Theres not only these costs you seem to underestimate, there's also the cost of keeping an airplane in the air during your broadcasts, accomodating the riders, staff and press, constructing the temporary infrastructure, publicity,...


Oh yeah, they had to pay the UCI 7million euros for organizing. That probably didn't help either.

I still don't see it costing anywhere near that much if its done efficiently. I imagine a lot of people ended up getting paid who didn't really need getting paid for the event to happen - just like with most of these things.

Which is probably why no-one has much interest in hosting it anymore. Its just terrible value for money.
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