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08 Mar 2018 12:28

So. Let's see.

McQuaid publicly called on the Disciplinary Committee to ban Tom Boonen. That was 2009. The Disciplinary Committee decided they could do nothing.

McQuaid publicly called on the Licence Commission to strip Katusha of its licence. That was 2013. CAS ruled that McQuaid and the Licence Commission had no right to refuse Katusha's licence.

Cookson publicly called on the Licence Commission to strip Astana of its licence. That was 2015. The Licence Commission said no.

Lappartient publicly calls on the CADF to find some rule that Sky and Wiggins must have broken, somewhere, anywhere, just something.

Question: how serious do you think McQuaid, Cookson and Lappartient really were in the public calls they made of their various independent bodies and how much do you think such public calls are just a PR façade, meant to put the masses at ease?
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08 Mar 2018 13:44

Also in the latest Froome int:
Asked if he felt this was a case of political posturing on Lappartient’s part, Froome simply responded: “You’d have to ask him that.”
Froome should get like Wiggins on this, start talking about malice and dropping hints as to who it was told the media about the confidential case in the first place.
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13 Mar 2018 01:33

ClassicomanoLuigi wrote:at time 1:44 - 2:04 in the BBC video, Lappartient looks like he's having a hard time to not break out in laughter, when asked if the UCI thinks Wiggins is telling the truth about the Sky medical history

BBC: Someone is lying ?
Lappartient: Yes.


Lappartient dressed as James Bond & laughing at the Brits! :cool:

Supposedly Lappartient is meant to have the new motor fraud strategy relaeased in March. Perhaps he’s already trialling it on the Dawgs bike with extra attention/testing? Not sure Lappartient has the authority over the CADF to order additional target drug tests but he can on motor fraud.
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Re: Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

20 Mar 2018 14:15

well... So Lappartient just showed his true colours, by playing along with SKY on the "complexity" of Froome's case bvllsh!t :mad:

Same ****, different UCI president
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Re: Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

20 Mar 2018 14:38

hfer07 wrote:well... So Lappartient just showed his true colours, by playing along with SKY on the "complexity" of Froome's case bvllsh!t :mad:

Same ****, different UCI president


Nah, Lappartien is just f****ng stuck in this case. The rules the UCI itself put in place are a just the worse type of legal pot pourri, they must have been advised by a super expensive law firm at the time that put in place something that allows maximal leeway for super expensive lawyers to trot their stuff, with endless consultations, checks and an overall secrecy. This system allegedly put in place to prevent cronysm and cheating is so complex that it moves at a glacial pace BUT god forbid someone tries to rush it, they would put the whole case in jeopardy on procedural technicalities.

I think Lappartient is just pulling his hair off in bunches because he just can't do squat, sees the image of his sport tarnished, the impotence of his organisation underlined and is basically dependent on RCS or ASO saying "**** it I don't want Froome/Sky in my races" for something to happen.

The man has been gifted a massive bucket of hot diahreaa sitting in the middle of his office and he is not allowed to move it or cover it, just must watch it fester and become a hotspot for every possible subspecie of dung fly...

This is basically a nightmare for him.
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Re: Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

20 Mar 2018 14:44

veji11 wrote:
hfer07 wrote:well... So Lappartient just showed his true colours, by playing along with SKY on the "complexity" of Froome's case bvllsh!t :mad:

Same ****, different UCI president


Nah, Lappartien is just f****ng stuck in this case. The rules the UCI itself put in place are a just the worse type of legal pot pourri, they must have been advised by a super expensive law firm at the time that put in place something that allows maximal leeway for super expensive lawyers to trot their stuff, with endless consultations, checks and an overall secrecy. This system allegedly put in place to prevent cronysm and cheating is so complex that it moves at a glacial pace BUT god forbid someone tries to rush it, they would put the whole case in jeopardy on procedural technicalities.

I think Lappartient is just pulling his hair off in bunches because he just can't do squat, sees the image of his sport tarnished, the impotence of his organisation underlined and is basically dependent on RCS or ASO saying "**** it I don't want Froome/Sky in my races" for something to happen.

The man has been gifted a massive bucket of hot diahreaa sitting in the middle of his office and he is not allowed to move it or cover it, just must watch it fester and become a hotspot for every possible subspecie of dung fly...

This is basically a nightmare for him.


The rules that Cookson put in place :cool:
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20 Mar 2018 14:47

Exactly. The only thing worse than a rotten system is a presumably serious and clean system so complicated that it allows rotten people with money and lawyers to, you know, breeze through unscathed...
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Re: Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

20 Mar 2018 16:35

Pres Lappy to the rescue? :cool:

The UCI has turned to the CEA, the French Alternative Energies and Atomic Energy Commission, whose general director Gabriele Fioni will be present at Wednesday’s meeting.

“We will announce on Wednesday an action plan for 2018 of research to develop an infallible and complete detection method for the future, and we will be working together with the CEA to develop this,” the UCI said.


Read more at http://www.velonews.com/2018/03/news/uci-launches-fresh-bid-root-mechanical-dopers_460224#jMgoFZQpcurfCpGB.99
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24 Mar 2018 18:44

veji11 wrote:Exactly. The only thing worse than a rotten system is a presumably serious and clean system so complicated that it allows rotten people with money and lawyers to, you know, breeze through unscathed...


I agree 100%. I get the impression the UCI is a big European bureaucracy - like an extension of the EU government. Complex rules and regulation keeps the bureaucracy busy. As the governing body the UCI should set rules that are beyond challenge in any court.

ASO set an example of the right mindset by threatening to prevent Froome riding the Tour if the case is not resolved. Who is running the sport the UCI or lawyers???

Instead the UCI sits on its hands and lets others decide the fate of the sport's credibility. They allow themselves to be a passive player while the sport bleeds. A complete lack of leadership but I think the UCI presidents are captive to the UCI bureaucracy and toothless tigers. The bureaucracy vote for the president. In effect the presidents become PR agents and little else. Certainly they are not agents for change.
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24 Mar 2018 19:09

Cookster15 wrote:
veji11 wrote:Exactly. The only thing worse than a rotten system is a presumably serious and clean system so complicated that it allows rotten people with money and lawyers to, you know, breeze through unscathed...


I agree 100%. I get the impression the UCI is a big European bureaucracy - like an extension of the EU government. Complex rules and regulation keeps the bureaucracy busy. As the governing body the UCI should set rules that are beyond challenge in any court.

ASO set an example of the right mindset by threatening to prevent Froome riding the Tour if the case is not resolved. Who is running the sport the UCI or lawyers???

Instead the UCI sits on its hands and lets others decide the fate of the sport's credibility. They allow themselves to be a passive player while the sport bleeds. A complete lack of leadership but I think the UCI presidents are captive to the UCI bureaucracy and toothless tigers. The bureaucracy vote for the president. In effect the presidents become PR agents and little else. Certainly they are not agents for change.


The UCI is small, tiny in fact. ASO is a reasonably large company actually turns a profit and does more than just the Tour. Cycling and ASO could well exist without the UCI so the UCI has to make a lot rules to keep itself in the frame.
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21 May 2018 17:07

Well there's one campaign promise delivered: the TTT Worlds ends this year, a year ahead of Lappartiant's target for its destruction. It won't be missed.
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Re: Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

28 May 2018 15:22

Meanwhile on a darkened suburban roadside in Italy... an exchange takes place :p

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28 May 2018 16:52

^^^ is why cycling is the best sport :lol:
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Re: Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

29 May 2018 22:52

veji11 wrote:
hfer07 wrote:well... So Lappartient just showed his true colours, by playing along with SKY on the "complexity" of Froome's case bvllsh!t :mad:

Same ****, different UCI president


Nah, Lappartien is just f****ng stuck in this case. The rules the UCI itself put in place are a just the worse type of legal pot pourri, they must have been advised by a super expensive law firm at the time that put in place something that allows maximal leeway for super expensive lawyers to trot their stuff, with endless consultations, checks and an overall secrecy.


Sports arbitration is arbitration, not a judicial process and the UCI is the sole authority. There is no independence. There is no check on their power. The lawyers in sports arbitration work for the IOC sports federations when they aren't railroading cases.

You aren't wrong. The role of President is not King. Verbruggen was King. I wonder how many other lifetime appointments are out there.
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30 May 2018 00:25

DirtyWorks wrote:
veji11 wrote:
hfer07 wrote:well... So Lappartient just showed his true colours, by playing along with SKY on the "complexity" of Froome's case bvllsh!t :mad:

Same ****, different UCI president


Nah, Lappartien is just f****ng stuck in this case. The rules the UCI itself put in place are a just the worse type of legal pot pourri, they must have been advised by a super expensive law firm at the time that put in place something that allows maximal leeway for super expensive lawyers to trot their stuff, with endless consultations, checks and an overall secrecy.


Sports arbitration is arbitration, not a judicial process and the UCI is the sole authority. There is no independence. There is no check on their power. The lawyers in sports arbitration work for the IOC sports federations when they aren't railroading cases.

You aren't wrong. The role of President is not King. Verbruggen was King. I wonder how many other lifetime appointments are out there.


I would say Lappartient is stuck by Cookson’s creation of the blackhole in the CADF. Designed for Impey like resolutions to anti-doping cases. Froome will feel confident he might gets a Lizzie or Impey like conclusion to his case even if he goes to WADA. He can drag it out so long we might all forget that he actually did test postive.

Lappartient only hope is to the do what he did with Stade 2 and Cookson’s iPad prior to the election. Leaking Dawgs passport to l’Equipe should do the trick :cool:
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30 May 2018 08:56

DirtyWorks wrote:Sports arbitration is arbitration, not a judicial process and the UCI is the sole authority.
CAS.
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30 May 2018 09:05

thehog wrote:I would say Lappartient is stuck by Cookson’s creation of the blackhole in the CADF. Designed for Impey like resolutions to anti-doping cases.
It was designed for Bert-like cases. It was designed to take national bias out of the equation. (It was also designed to save national federations the expense of prosecuting doping cases, thus buying their votes, but as with the claims that it would speed up the process and reduce appeals to CAS I don't think this quite worked out as planned).
thehog wrote:Froome will feel confident he might gets a Lizzie or Impey like conclusion to his case even if he goes to WADA.
Is there a precedent for going to WADA? Surely they'd just bat it straight back and say CAS is the only appeal route open?
thehog wrote:He can drag it out so long we might all forget that he actually did test positive.
With the long memories and short tempers of the Clinic to remind us every few hours that FROOME TESTED POSITIVE!!! - that's quite the fantasy world.
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Re: Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

31 May 2018 20:52

Lappy, Vino and Contador :cool:

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Re: Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

31 May 2018 23:06

I think M. Lappy is not worse for cycling than Cookson based solely on the revelation of Froome's AAF at the Vuelta. If Uncle Brian had been re-elected, I expect no one on the outside would ever have known about Dawg's Sal doping. I don't think the item would have been accessible to the papers that blew the whistle -- too locked down from inside the UCI. No leak would have occurred.
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31 May 2018 23:11

JosephK wrote:I think M. Lappy is not worse for cycling than Cookson based solely on the revelation of Froome's AAF at the Vuelta. If Uncle Brian had been re-elected, I expect no one on the outside would ever have known about Dawg's Sal doping. I don't think the item would have been accessible to the papers that blew the whistle -- too locked down from inside the UCI. No leak would have occurred.

Just to be clear, you think the leak came from, or was at least authorised by, the President and that is a good thing?
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