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07 Jul 2018 13:16

The main spends

The riders costing 800 points or more, and who has gone for them.

Valverde with Gaviria: Koronin

Nibali with Quintana and Gaviria: Fauniera
Nibali with Quintana: Amis Velo

Bardet with Quintana and Gaviria: Evans is the Best, Yellow Knight
Bardet with Groenewegen: GP Blanco

Roglic with Gaviria and Porte: Salvarani

Groenewegen with Thomas and Porte: Bikeracer33
Groenewegen with Porte and Martin: Googolplex
Groenewegen with Quintana: RattaKuningas

Thomas with Fuglsang, Gaviria and Porte: SemirS
Thomas with Quintana and Porte: Armchair Cyclist
Thomas with Porte: AG

Yates with Quintana and Porte: Blues in the Bottle, Minessa, Tigerion
Yates with Quintana and Gaviria: Sporting Nonsense

Yates with Quintana, Gaviria and Porte: Mellow Velo
Yates with Gaviria, Porte and Martin: Bicycle Boy
Yates with Quintana and Fuglsang: Postmanhat

Quintana with Fuglsang, Gaviria, and Porte: Rote Laterne
Quintana with Gaviria, Porte and Martin: Comodoro, Gotland, Leadbelly, Search, Shalgo
Quintana with Fuglsang and Porte: Just Some Guy, Nathanptz, TotalPackage
Quintana with Gaviria and Porte: Axl, Carlo Algatrensig
Quintana with Porte and Martin: Laarsland , Los Brolin, The Pirate81, Vladimir
Quintana with Porte: Del1962, Hakkie2, Kazistuta, Ruvu75, SafeBet, Scrool07, Squire

[b]Gaviria with Porte and Martin: Bminchow
Gaviria with Porte:[/b] Josedin, North American Scum

Maybe it is worth noting those who do not have Quintana and Porte:
no Quintana: AG, Bminchow, Bicycle Boy, Bikeracer33, Googolplex, GP Blanco, Koronin, North American Scum, Salvarani, Josedin, SemirS

no Porte: Amis Velo, Evans is the Best, Fauniera, GP Blanco, Koronin, Postmanhat, RattaKuningas, Sporting Nonsense, Yellow Knight

(corrected:I had two teams the wrong way around. Thanks to Googolplex for pointing this out.)
Last edited by Armchair cyclist on 07 Jul 2018 17:12, edited 1 time in total.
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07 Jul 2018 15:57

Stage 1 First blood to Gaviria, GC mayhem

Green points

These are the points for top ten placements on stages, and for wearing the Yellow Jersey. They cannot be lost even if the riders fails to finish the tour.

GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 100pts (incl 20 for getting Yellow Jersey) 21 teams
SAGAN Peter 50 0 team
KITTEL Marcel 35 8 teams
KRISTOFF Alexander 25 0 team
LAPORTE Christophe 15 1 team
GROENEWEGEN Dylan 10 4 teams
MATTHEWS Michael 5 0 team
DEGENKOLB John 3 5 teams
FUGLSANG Jakob 2 5 teams
MAJKA Rafal 1 5 teams


1 TotalPackage 135 (Gaviria and Kittel)
2 Josedin 116 (Gaviria, Laporte and Majka)
3 Koronin, NorthAmericanScum 103 (Gaviria and Degenkolb)
5 Rote_Laterne, SemirS 102 (Gaviria and Fuglsang)
7 Other Gaviria teams 100
22 RattaKuningas 45

Yellow points
This is the main classification. It includes the green points, but also points for GC position, and the mountain and points classifications (which get points as per a stage), and 20 points for every finishing. It is best read a the standings if the race were to finish here and know: it becomes steadily more relevant as the race goes on, and can see dramatic changes after important stages.

Riders' GC positions, and so most of these points, are virtually the same as the stage, so I won't bother posting them.

1 TotalPackage 1365
2 Josedin 1301
3 SemirS 1157
4 Koronin 1111
5 NorthAmericanScum 1092
6 Rote_Laterne 1062
7 Fauniera 1045
8 Search 1003
9 Axl 959
10 Evans_is_the_Best 954
10 Yellow_Knight 954
12 Gotland 950
13 Carlo_Algatrensig 944
14 Bminchow 943
14 SportingNonsense 943
16 BicycleBoy 935
16 Comodoro 935
16 Leadbelly 935
16 Mellow_Velo 935
16 Salvarani 935
16 Shalgo 935
22 RattaKuningas 901
23 AG 833
24 Kazistuta 777
25 AmisVelo 715
26 Scrool07 704
27 Minessa 605
27 Tigerion 605
29 BikeRacer33 477
30 Postmanhat 465
31 GPBlanco 425
32 Googolplex 382
33 Nathanptz 326
34 JustSomeGuy 325
35 Hakkie2 304
36 BluesInTheBottle 296
36 Del1962 296
38 Squire 290
39 Armchair_Cyclist 255
40 SafeBet 242
41 Ruvu75 192
42 LosBrolin 184
43 Vladimir 183
44 Laarsland 168
44 ThePirate81 168
Collective_Wisdom 944
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07 Jul 2018 16:18

Yeah, my team is already is much better shape than it was for the Giro. Yeah!!!!!

One small piece of info for future reference, I'm a she. (Not upset at all as this does happen on message boards a lot esp since the name I picked to use is from my Star Trek fan club days as part of a Klingon fan club.)

Thank you for the break down of the teams. Definitely interesting to see who people picked and how it ends up working out.
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07 Jul 2018 16:42

Groenewegen with Thomas and Porte: Googolplex
Groenewegen with Porte and Martin: Bikeracer33


These are the opposite.
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07 Jul 2018 17:16

maska gets my solitary point so far, Quintana, Porte and Ion Izagirre loose time
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07 Jul 2018 20:29

Woohoo, first place after day one! I hope to be somewhere in the middle at the end, but it’s nice to start like this. I have ‘the most popular team’, which doesn’t seem like a recipe for success in the long run, but we’ll see!
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Re:

07 Jul 2018 20:57

Total Package wrote:Woohoo, first place after day one! I hope to be somewhere in the middle at the end, but it’s nice to start like this. I have ‘the most popular team’, which doesn’t seem like a recipe for success in the long run, but we’ll see!



May or may not be. However, I have the 2nd from least popular team and I'm in the top 5 right now as well. So not sure which recipe is actually better yet.
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08 Jul 2018 20:05

Stage 2 Chaos in the last 2km


That fall, and the hold-ups behind it, deprived almost all our teams of the involvement of their sprinters.

Green points

SAGAN Peter 100pts 0 team
COLBRELLI Sonny 50 0 team
DEMARE Arnaud 35 0 team
GREIPEL André 25 0 team
KRISTOFF Alexander 15 0 team
DUPONT Timothy 10 0 team
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 5 1 team
PASQUALON Andrea 3 0 team
DEGENKOLB John 2 5 teams
GILBERT Philippe 1 0 team

So very few green points today:
1 Koronin 7
2 AG, Kazistuta, NorthAmericanScum, Postmanhat 2

Koronin has both Valverde and Degenkolb, the other 4 have Degenkolb alone.

Standings
1 TotalPackage 135
2 Josedin 116
3 Koronin 110
4 NorthAmericanScum 105
5= Rote_Laterne, SemirS 102
7= 15 other teams with Gaviria 100
Koronin and NAS were already joint third in this category yesterday.

Yellow points
So this always needs a bit of explaining for those who are new to the game on stage 2. Geraint Thomas didn't actually gain any real points today, but at the end of yesterday he was 15th in GC, so he, and the teams that selected him, were credited with 100 provisional points for GC position; now he sits in 7th, and if he is still there in Paris it will be worth 230 points. So his projected points have increased by 130.
Equally Laporte was 6th on GC (260pts) and 7th in the points classification (5 pts) yesterday, along with his 15 points (that can't be lost) for coming 5th yesterday: Josedin had 280 points from him yesterday. But now he is out of the top ten in the points classification (so zero points there), and has dropped to 57th in GC (getting the minimum 20 points that all finishers get); add in the 15 place points (green points) from yesterday and he is now only worth 35 points to poor Josedin, so he has a daily loss of 245 points.

THOMAS Geraint 130 4 teams
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 39 1 team
JUNGELS Bob 36 3 teams
BARDET Romain 24 3 teams
ZAKARIN Ilnur 23 9 teams
CAVENDISH Mark 22 34 teams
...
DEGENKOLB John -18 5
NIBALI Vincenzo -65 2
FUGLSANG Jakob -72 5
BOUDAT Thomas -78 1
MAJKA Rafal -79 5
KITTEL Marcel -90 8
GROENEWEGEN Dylan -150 4
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando -180 21
LAPORTE Christophe -245 1

Far more riders than this gained or lost points: I only include those who were selected by at least one team for our game, and not those with a small amount of change. The threshold for that will vary each day.

There will be days like today when there are huge changes: there will be other days when most teams' scores don't change at all. And of course if the riders can have negative day scores, so can teams. And daily winners can be undeserved flukes.

1 Armchair_Cyclist 152
2 SafeBet 59
3 Vladimir 55
4 Ruvu75 49
5 LosBrolin 36
6 Laarsland 33
6 ThePirate81 33
8 AG 22
9 BikeRacer33 2
10 JustSomeGuy -27
11 Hakkie2 -34
12 Nathanptz -46
13 BluesInTheBottle -57
13 Del1962 -57
15 Minessa -68
15 Tigerion -68
17 Squire -75
18 Kazistuta -82
19 Postmanhat -90
20 GPBlanco -100
20 SemirS -100
22 Bminchow -125
23 AmisVelo -133
24 Evans_is_the_Best -134
24 Yellow_Knight -134
26 SportingNonsense -135
27 Koronin -137
28 Googolplex -140
28 Search -140
30 Scrool07 -142
31 Salvarani -147
32 BicycleBoy -148
32 Comodoro -148
32 Leadbelly -148
32 Shalgo -148
36 Carlo_Algatrensig -154
37 Mellow_Velo -158
38 Gotland -161
39 Axl -167
40 RattaKuningas -182
41 NorthAmericanScum -194
42 Fauniera -223
43 TotalPackage -248
44 Rote_Laterne -252
45 Josedin -504
Collective_Wisdom -154


Standings
Although Gaviria and Kittel lost a fair few points today, they are still among the top scoring riders in the game at the moment, and are the highest that anyone has selected, so Total Package's unique pairing of them remains at the top. Bminchow is new in the top ten as, rather more dramatically with the day's biggest jump, 17 places.

1 TotalPackage 1117
2 SemirS 1057
3 Koronin 974
4 NorthAmericanScum 898
5 Search 863
6 AG 855
7 Fauniera 822
8 Evans_is_the_Best 820
8 Yellow_Knight 820
10 Bminchow 818
11 Rote_Laterne 810
12 SportingNonsense 808
13 Josedin 797
14 Axl 792
15 Carlo_Algatrensig 790
16 Gotland 789
17 Salvarani 788
18 BicycleBoy 787
18 Comodoro 787
18 Leadbelly 787
18 Shalgo 787
22 Mellow_Velo 777
23 RattaKuningas 719
24 Kazistuta 695
25 AmisVelo 582
26 Scrool07 562
27 Minessa 537
27 Tigerion 537
29 BikeRacer33 479
30 Armchair_Cyclist 407
31 Postmanhat 375
32 GPBlanco 325
33 SafeBet 301
34 JustSomeGuy 298
35 Nathanptz 280
36 Hakkie2 270
37 Googolplex 242
38 Ruvu75 241
39 BluesInTheBottle 239
39 Del1962 239
41 Vladimir 238
42 LosBrolin 220
43 Squire 215
44 Laarsland 201
44 ThePirate81 201
Collective_Wisdom 790

Tomorrow should see some even more dramatic changes, and at least some of the key riders for the game emerging.
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08 Jul 2018 21:42

I'm happy. Two days in the top 5. May loose a bunch of spots tomorrow, but that's ok. Putting Valverde on my team has already paid off with points today in a flat sprint finish, who'd have guessed that.
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09 Jul 2018 07:31

ASO did change the stage 2 standings late last evening, notably docking Kittel 4:40 as he was not with the peloton at the 3km marker, knocking him from 4th in GC to 138th or so. He would therefore lose 300 points, and the current standings would be very different.

But I will not be incorporating these changes in the stage 2 results because:
a: PCS, which I copy and paste into the spreadsheet, still hasn't updated;
b: I need to get to work;
c: the table will be very different at the end of stage 3, so it doesn't matter too much what it will have changed from.
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09 Jul 2018 22:43

Stage 3 Team Time Trial

Green points
Different distribution of points for a TTT:

VAN AVERMAET Greg 40(incl Yellow Jersey points) 0 team
PORTE Richie 20 36 teams
BEVIN Patrick 20 3 teams
and CARUSO Damiano and VAN GARDEREN Tejay 20 0 team
THOMAS Geraint 12 4 teams
also BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley, FROOME Chris, KWIATKOWSKI Michal and MOSCON Gianni 12 0 team
JUNGELS Bob 8 3 teams
also ALAPHILIPPE Julian, GILBERT Philippe and LAMPAERT Yves 8 0 team
YATES Adam 6 7 teams
Also BAUER Jack, HEPBURN Michael 6 and IMPEY Daryl 6 0 team
HAGA Chad 3 2 teams
also ANDERSEN Søren Kragh, DUMOULIN Tom, GESCHKE Simon and MATTHEWS Michael 3 0 team
ROLLAND Pierre 2 27 teams
SCULLY Tom 2 2 teams
also MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe, URAN URAN Rigoberto and VANMARCKE Sep 2 0 team
MAJKA Rafal 1 5 teams
also MÜHLBERGER Gregor, OSS Daniel and BODNAR Maciej 1 0 team

Wow: I was at the top of a list yesterday too.

1 Armchair_Cyclist 54 (Porte, Bevin, Thomas and Rolland)
2= Comodoro, Salvarani 42 (Porte, Bevin and Rolland)
4 BikeRacer33 34 (Porte,Thomas and Rolland)
5= AG, SemirS 32
7= SafeBet, Search 30
9= Mellow_Velo, Minessa, Tigerion 28
12 BluesInTheBottle 27
13 BicycleBoy 26
14 Leadbelly 25
15= LosBrolin, Del1962, Hakkie2, Josedin, LosBrolin, Squire 23
20= 10 teams with Porte and Rolland 22
32= The rest of the Porte teams 20
37 RattaKuningas 10
38 SportingNonsense 8
39 Postmanhat 6
40 AmisVelo 2
41= 29 riders got green points today, but five of us missed them all! 0
Collective_Wisdom 22

I'll normally only put up the top ten in this minor ranking, but to celebrate us all being off the mark, here are everyone's green points thus far:
1 TotalPackage 157
2 Comodoro 142
2 Salvarani 142
4 Josedin 139
5 SemirS 134
6 Search 130
7 Mellow_Velo 128
8 NorthAmericanScum 127
9 BicycleBoy 126
10 Leadbelly 125
11 Rote_Laterne 124
12 Carlo_Algatrensig 122
12 Shalgo 122
14 Axl 120
14 Bminchow 120
14 Gotland 120
17 Koronin 110
18 SportingNonsense 108
19 Evans_is_the_Best 100
19 Fauniera 100
19 Yellow_Knight 100
22 AG 72
23 Minessa 63
23 Tigerion 63
25 Kazistuta 62
26 RattaKuningas 55
26 Scrool07 55
28 Armchair_Cyclist 54
29 BikeRacer33 44
30 AmisVelo 37
31 Googolplex 32
32 SafeBet 30
33 BluesInTheBottle 28
34 Del1962 24
34 Hakkie2 24
34 JustSomeGuy 24
34 Nathanptz 24
34 Squire 24
39 LosBrolin 23
40 Laarsland 22
40 Ruvu75 22
40 Vladimir 22
43 ThePirate81 20
44 Postmanhat 13
45 GPBlanco 10
Collective_Wisdom 122



Yellow points
These are changes since the original set of results published yesterday, not the later, corrected positions.


JUNGELS Bob 168 3 teams
THOMAS Geraint 162 4 teams
PORTE Richie 110 36 teams
MAJKA Rafal 80 5 teams
YATES Adam 58 7 teams
PHINNEY Taylor 57 1 team
...
CAVENDISH Mark -37 34 teams
GROENEWEGEN Dylan -62 4 teams
DEGENKOLB John -107 5 teams
KITTEL Marcel -300 8 teams
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando -430 21 teams

1 SafeBet 363
2 Armchair_Cyclist 291
3 Squire 250
4 Hakkie2 238
5 BluesInTheBottle 211
6 Ruvu75 205
7 BikeRacer33 200
8 Laarsland 197
9 JustSomeGuy 181
10 Del1962 180
11 ThePirate81 170
12 Nathanptz 156
13 Vladimir 151
14 LosBrolin 113
15 Googolplex 86
16 Postmanhat -17
17 GPBlanco -70
18 Search -126
19 AG -135
20 Minessa -142
20 Tigerion -142
22 SemirS -163
23 RattaKuningas -195
24 Josedin -213
25 Scrool07 -214
26 Rote_Laterne -261
27 Mellow_Velo -272
28 Salvarani -277
29 Kazistuta -283
30 Bminchow -294
31 BicycleBoy -297
31 Carlo_Algatrensig -297
33 AmisVelo -301
34 Leadbelly -305
35 Comodoro -308
36 Shalgo -328
37 Axl -333
38 Gotland -355
39 SportingNonsense -358
40 NorthAmericanScum -376
41 Fauniera -458
42 Evans_is_the_Best -471
42 Yellow_Knight -471
44 Koronin -490
45 TotalPackage -621
Collective_Wisdom -297

Don't panic, sprinters' teams, you will get points back another day.

Standings
Scores turned around almost entirely: there are 8 teams who moved either up or down by 20 or more places, Safe Bet going 27 places in the right direction. The top 3 were respectively 2nd, 5th and 6th yesterday, but otherwise on ly one of yesterday's top ten remains(Bminchow). The 4 Geraint Thomas teams (who probably were expecting to reap the first of several yellow jersey bonuses today: I did at least) are all in the top 5, but Search, with most of his points coming from Porte, Gaviria and Jungels, is ahead of most of us.

1 SemirS 894
2 Search 737
3 AG 720
4 Armchair_Cyclist 698
5 BikeRacer33 679
6 SafeBet 664
7 Josedin 584
8 Rote_Laterne 549
9 Bminchow 524
9 RattaKuningas 524
11 NorthAmericanScum 522
12 Salvarani 511
13 Hakkie2 508
14 Mellow_Velo 505
15 TotalPackage 496
16 Carlo_Algatrensig 493
17 BicycleBoy 490
18 Koronin 484
19 Leadbelly 482
20 Comodoro 479
20 JustSomeGuy 479
22 Squire 465
23 Axl 459
23 Shalgo 459
25 BluesInTheBottle 450
25 SportingNonsense 450
27 Ruvu75 446
28 Nathanptz 436
29 Gotland 434
30 Del1962 419
31 Kazistuta 412
32 Laarsland 398
33 Minessa 395
33 Tigerion 395
35 Vladimir 389
36 ThePirate81 371
37 Fauniera 364
38 Postmanhat 358
39 Evans_is_the_Best 349
39 Yellow_Knight 349
41 Scrool07 348
42 LosBrolin 333
43 Googolplex 328
44 AmisVelo 281
45 GPBlanco 255
Collective_Wisdom 493

Tomorrow should be a day when most of the yellow table point changes are a reflection of the green table, but who knows what might happen?
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10 Jul 2018 20:33

Stage 4 A fairly standard sprint stage to Sarzeau

Green points
Not many different sprinters were chosen, but so far only one was really a good pick.

GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 80 21 teams
SAGAN Peter 50 0 team
GREIPEL André 35 0 team
GROENEWEGEN Dylan 25 4 teams
VAN AVERMAET Greg 20 0 team
KITTEL Marcel 15 8 teams
PASQUALON Andrea 10 0 team
KRISTOFF Alexander 5 0 team
DEGENKOLB John 3 5 teams
SMITH Dion 2 0 team
DUPONT Timothy 1 0 team

That unique pairing of Gaviria and Kittel is likely to dominate this table most of the rest of this week.

1 TotalPackage 95
2 Koronin 83
2 NorthAmericanScum 83
4 All the other Gaviristas 80
22 Best of the rest (RattaKuningas) 40

Standings
1 TotalPackage 252
2 Comodoro 222
2 Salvarani 222
4 Josedin 219
5 SemirS 214
6 NorthAmericanScum 210
6 Search 210
8 Mellow_Velo 208
9 BicycleBoy 206
10 Leadbelly 205

Yellow points

Jungels loses 30 points purely on accumulated finishing positions, but otherwise the main negative change was Zakarin's misfortune. We see the first of our selected riders DNFing in g Domont, with the loss of 20 points. Of course, when riders move down the GC, others move up to replace them and take their projected points, so riders gain points today while not obviously havins improved their race position or placing highly today.

GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 80 21 teams
GROENEWEGEN Dylan 26 4 teams
KITTEL Marcel 20 8 teams
DEGENKOLB John 18 5 teams
BARDET Romain 13 3 teams
NIBALI Vincenzo 12 2 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 12 1 team
MARTIN Daniel 11 11 teams
YATES Adam 10 7 teams
ROLLAND Pierre 10 27 teams
NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel 10 1 team
HAGA Chad 10 2 teams
...
DOMONT Axel -20 1 team
JUNGELS Bob -30 3 teams
PHINNEY Taylor -57 1 team
ZAKARIN Ilnur -71 9 teams


1 NorthAmericanScum 122 (Gaviria, Degenkolb and Rolland)
2 Leadbelly 113 (Gaviria, Martin, Rolland, Haga)
3 Comodoro 112 (Gaviria, Martin, Rolland)
3 Shalgo 112 (Gaviria, Martin, Rolland)
3 TotalPackage 112 (Gaviria, Kittel, Rolland)
6 Mellow_Velo 111
7 BicycleBoy 109
8 Evans_is_the_Best 104
8 Yellow_Knight 104
10 Gotland 103
11 Salvarani 101
12 Axl 100
12 Carlo_Algatrensig 100
14 Fauniera 94
14 Josedin 94
16 Rote_Laterne 93
17 SemirS 88
18 Kazistuta 67
19 Koronin 61
19 Search 61
21 Minessa 51
21 Tigerion 51
23 BikeRacer33 48
23 Scrool07 48
25 GPBlanco 46
25 LosBrolin 46
27 AmisVelo 44
28 AG 38
28 Googolplex 38
30 Postmanhat 31
31 Nathanptz 29
32 RattaKuningas 28
33 Del1962 27
34 BluesInTheBottle 21
35 Armchair_Cyclist 18
36 Bminchow 16
37 Squire 12
38 SportingNonsense 10
39 Vladimir -39
40 Ruvu75 -41
41 JustSomeGuy -50
42 Laarsland -56
43 Hakkie2 -59
44 ThePirate81 -66
45 SafeBet -97
Collective_Wisdom 100

Standings

Semir maintains that impressive lead (courtesy of Thomas, Gaviria, Porte and Fuglsang), and the top 5 remain intact, with 4th and 5th swapping. Zakarin and Jungels based teams fall out of the top ten, leaving space for North American Scum, Mellow Velo and Salvarani, and the rise of the day is shared by the as yet unseparable teams of Evans is the Best and Yellow Knight.

1 SemirS 982
2 Search 798
3 AG 758
4 BikeRacer33 727
5 Armchair_Cyclist 716
6 Josedin 678
7 NorthAmericanScum 644
8 Rote_Laterne 642
9 Mellow_Velo 616
10 Salvarani 612
11 TotalPackage 608
12 BicycleBoy 599
13 Leadbelly 595
14 Carlo_Algatrensig 593
15 Comodoro 591
16 Shalgo 571
17 SafeBet 567
18 Axl 559
19 RattaKuningas 552
20 Koronin 545
21 Bminchow 540
22 Gotland 537
23 Kazistuta 479
24 Squire 477
25 BluesInTheBottle 471
26 Nathanptz 465
27 SportingNonsense 460
28 Fauniera 458
29 Evans_is_the_Best 453
29 Yellow_Knight 453
31 Hakkie2 449
32 Del1962 446
32 Minessa 446
32 Tigerion 446
35 JustSomeGuy 429
36 Ruvu75 405
37 Scrool07 396
38 Postmanhat 389
39 LosBrolin 379
40 Googolplex 366
41 Vladimir 350
42 Laarsland 342
43 AmisVelo 325
44 ThePirate81 305
45 GPBlanco 301
Collective_Wisdom 593

Yesterday might bring slightly more change to the tables, but I suspect that the riders most likely to have a dramatic day are not selected in the game.

I haven't posted the spreadsheet yet: here it is. I probably won't post that link everyday, but that is where it will be staying.
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12 Jul 2018 00:00

Stage 5 A hilly sprint


Green points
SAGAN Peter 80 0 team
COLBRELLI Sonny 50 0 team
GILBERT Philippe 35 0 team
VAN AVERMAET Greg 25 0 team
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 25 1 team
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 15 0 team
MARTIN Daniel 10 11 teams
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh 3 0 team
PASQUALON Andrea 2 0 team
NIBALI Vincenzo 1 2 teams

Yeah, we weren't really aiming for the expensive puncheurs in our selections, were we?

1 Koronin 25
2 BicycleBoy, Bminchow, Comodoro, Googolplex, Gotland, Laarsland, Leadbelly, LosBrolin, Shalgo, ThePirate81, Vladimir 10
13 AmisVelo, Fauniera 1

1 TotalPackage 252
2 Comodoro 232
3 Salvarani 222
4 Josedin 219
5 Koronin 218
6 BicycleBoy 216
7 Leadbelly 215
8 SemirS 214
9 Shalgo 212
10 Bminchow 210
10 Gotland 210
10 NorthAmericanScum 210
10 Search 210

Yellow points
Gilbert overtakes Thomas, lots of non-climbers slide down the table allowing those we ppicked to move up
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 45 1 team
MARTIN Daniel 28 11 teams
ZAKARIN Ilnur 22 9 teams
MAJKA Rafal 20 5 teams
PORTE Richie 20 36 teams
FUGLSANG Jakob 20 5 teams
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 20 34 teams
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion 15 5 teams
TOLHOEK Antwan 15 2 teams
...
KISERLOVSKI Robert -20 1 team
HAGA Chad -21 2 teams
DEGENKOLB John -47 5 teams
THOMAS Geraint -60 4 teams

Today's top three all have Martin, Zakarin, Porte and Quintana: those last two are very popular picks, so help most people to have a good day.
1 Laarsland 97
2 ThePirate81 90
3 Vladimir 86
4 Hakkie2 78
4 JustSomeGuy 78
6 Del1962 71
6 Squire 71
8 Josedin 68
9 Ruvu75 67
10 SafeBet 66
11 BluesInTheBottle 64
11 Comodoro 64
11 Rote_Laterne 64
11 Shalgo 64
15 Nathanptz 63
16 Bminchow 62
17 LosBrolin 61
18 Gotland 57
19 BicycleBoy 52
20 Googolplex 51
21 Mellow_Velo 48
22 Search 47
23 SportingNonsense 46
24 Carlo_Algatrensig 43
24 Leadbelly 43
24 Minessa 43
24 Tigerion 43
28 Axl 36
29 TotalPackage 31
30 Scrool07 28
31 Salvarani 26
32 Fauniera 24
33 Evans_is_the_Best 22
33 Yellow_Knight 22
35 Postmanhat 15
36 GPBlanco 11
37 RattaKuningas 10
38 Koronin 5
39 AmisVelo 3
40 NorthAmericanScum -1
41 Armchair_Cyclist -9
41 Kazistuta -9
43 SemirS -28
44 BikeRacer33 -30
45 AG -92
Collective_Wisdom 43

Standings

Search closes the gap to the leader pretty dramatically, while Josedin overtakes most of the Geraint Thomas teams. Rote Laterne, and, rather less dramatically, Mellow Velo also move the right way among the top ten, which is joined by Comodoro and Bicycle Boy. Comodoro's 6 place jump is impressive, but beaten by Just Some Guy.

1 SemirS 954
2 Search 845
3 Josedin 746
4 Armchair_Cyclist 707
5 Rote_Laterne 706
6 BikeRacer33 697
7 AG 666
8 Mellow_Velo 664
9 Comodoro 655
10 BicycleBoy 651
11 NorthAmericanScum 643
12 TotalPackage 639
13 Leadbelly 638
13 Salvarani 638
15 Carlo_Algatrensig 636
16 Shalgo 635
17 SafeBet 633
18 Bminchow 602
19 Axl 595
20 Gotland 594
21 RattaKuningas 562
22 Koronin 550
23 Squire 548
24 BluesInTheBottle 535
25 Nathanptz 528
26 Hakkie2 527
27 Del1962 517
28 JustSomeGuy 507
29 SportingNonsense 506
30 Minessa 489
30 Tigerion 489
32 Fauniera 482
33 Evans_is_the_Best 475
33 Yellow_Knight 475
35 Ruvu75 472
36 Kazistuta 470
37 LosBrolin 440
38 Laarsland 439
39 Vladimir 436
40 Scrool07 424
41 Googolplex 417
42 Postmanhat 404
43 ThePirate81 395
44 AmisVelo 328
45 GPBlanco 312
Collective_Wisdom 636

I suspect that the riders who might have slipped tomorrow on GC have already have slipped today, but the time gaps should be more than today, and so the possibilities for the more expensive picks to move about relative to each other are greater.
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12 Jul 2018 02:14

Yeah, my expensive Puncheur is well more than just a puncheur as noted by a top 10 in a field sprint and an expected top 10 GC by the end of the Tour along with stage points on some mountain stages as well that don't go to the break. That seems to be the thinking of the 3 total riders who scored green points today. Anyway I shall happily take my spot in the middle of the field as it's much nicer than where my Giro team spent the entire race. I also highly doubt anyone is actually surprised Valverde is my very expensive rider pick.

Appreciate the updates. They are interesting to read.
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12 Jul 2018 23:57

Stage 6 GC men either stretch their legs or puncture their tyres on the Mur de Bretagne

Green points

MARTIN Daniel 80 pts 11 teams
LATOUR Pierre 50 2 teams
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 35 1 team
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 25 0 team
VAN AVERMAET Greg 20 0 team
MAJKA Rafal 15 5 teams
YATES Adam 10 7 teams
MOLLEMA Bauke 5 0 team
SAGAN Peter 3 0 team
THOMAS Geraint 2 4 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 1 1 team

1 Googolplex 130 (Martin & Latour)
2 BicycleBoy 90 (Martin & Yates)
3 Bminchow, Comodoro, Gotland, Laarsland, Leadbelly, LosBrolin, Shalgo, ThePirate81, Vladimir 80
12 Squire 65 (Latour & Majka)
13 Koronin 35 (Valverde)
14 BluesInTheBottle 25
15 Del1962, Hakkie2, Josedin 15
18 Mellow_Velo, Minessa, Postmanhat, SportingNonsense, Tigerion 10
23 AG, Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, SemirS 2
27 Salvarani 1
28 The rest 0

After a couple of puncheur stages, Gaviria and Martin is a better combination in this section than Gaviria and Kittel. That might swing back over the next couple of days.

1 Comodoro 312
2 BicycleBoy 306
3 Leadbelly 295
4 Shalgo 292
5 Bminchow 290
5 Gotland 290
7 Koronin 253
8 TotalPackage 252
9 Josedin 234
10 Salvarani 223


Yellow points
Thomas's 2nd place at the bonus point is more telling that Dan Martin's 1st at the stage finish, and although none of us suffer from Dumoulin and Kragh Andersen losing so many places, there are lots of points gained by those they slipped past.

THOMAS Geraint 132 4 teams
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 120 1 team
MARTIN Daniel 103 11 teams
LATOUR Pierre 76 2 teams
YATES Adam 36 7 teams
MAJKA Rafal 35 5 teams
FUGLSANG Jakob 20 5 teams
...

TOLHOEK Antwan -19 2 teams
BARDET Romain -19 3 teams


1 Googolplex 184
2 Armchair_Cyclist 159
3 Laarsland 142
3 SemirS 142
5 AG 139
6 LosBrolin 135
7 ThePirate81 134
8 BicycleBoy 129
9 Squire 128
10 Vladimir 127
11 BikeRacer33 119
12 Koronin 114
13 Gotland 105
14 Bminchow 102
15 Leadbelly 100
16 Comodoro 99
16 Shalgo 99
18 BluesInTheBottle 93
19 Postmanhat 82
20 Del1962 61
21 Hakkie2 60
22 Minessa 50
22 Tigerion 50
24 JustSomeGuy 44
25 Nathanptz 36
25 SportingNonsense 36
27 Mellow_Velo 32
28 SafeBet 25
29 Ruvu75 19
30 Rote_Laterne 16
30 Scrool07 16
32 Kazistuta 13
33 Josedin 12
34 AmisVelo 5
34 RattaKuningas 5
36 Axl 4
37 Search 2
38 Carlo_Algatrensig -3
39 GPBlanco -4
40 NorthAmericanScum -5
40 TotalPackage -5
42 Fauniera -7
43 Salvarani -9
44 Evans_is_the_Best -27
44 Yellow_Knight -27
Collective_Wisdom -3

Standings

Over 200 points as a lead is impressive at this stage, but a lot of riders will have a lot of positional changes in GC yet. The three Thomas teams who could move upwards (Armchair, Bikeracer and AG) all move up 2 places, and are all back in the top 5. Bicycle Boy also improves his position in the top ten, as Leadbelly and Shalgo join the top ten. Googolplex is not only daily top scorer by both methods: he also has a huge 18 place jump.

1 SemirS 1096
2 Armchair_Cyclist 866
3 Search 847
4 BikeRacer33 816
5 AG 805
6 BicycleBoy 780
7 Josedin 758
8 Comodoro 754
9 Leadbelly 738
10 Shalgo 734
11 Rote_Laterne 722
12 Bminchow 704
13 Gotland 699
14 Mellow_Velo 696
15 Squire 676
16 Koronin 664
17 SafeBet 658
18 NorthAmericanScum 638
19 TotalPackage 634
20 Carlo_Algatrensig 633
21 Salvarani 629
22 BluesInTheBottle 628
23 Googolplex 601
24 Axl 599
25 Hakkie2 587
26 Laarsland 581
27 Del1962 578
28 LosBrolin 575
29 RattaKuningas 567
30 Nathanptz 564
31 Vladimir 563
32 JustSomeGuy 551
33 SportingNonsense 542
34 Minessa 539
34 Tigerion 539
36 ThePirate81 529
37 Ruvu75 491
38 Postmanhat 486
39 Kazistuta 483
40 Fauniera 475
41 Evans_is_the_Best 448
41 Yellow_Knight 448
43 Scrool07 440
44 AmisVelo 333
45 GPBlanco 308
Collective_Wisdom 633


For the next 2 stages it will be mainly about Green points gained: think of it as the limbo before going into Hell.
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14 Jul 2018 11:52

Stage 7 Sprint after a gentle ride

I picked a good stage to miss.

Green points

GROENEWEGEN Dylan 80 4 teams
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 50 21 teams
SAGAN Peter 35 0 team
DEMARE Arnaud 25 0 team
VAN AVERMAET Greg 20 0 team
LAPORTE Christophe 15 1 team
DEGENKOLB John 10 5 teams
IMPEY Daryl 5 0 team
GREIPEL André 3 0 team
PASQUALON Andrea 2 0 team
CAVENDISH Mark 1 34 teams


1= BikeRacer33, GPBlanco, RattaKuningas 81 (Groenewegen and Cavendish)
4 Googolplex 80 (Groenewegen)
5 Josedin 65 (Gaviria and Laporte)
6 Koronin 61 (Gaviria, Degenkolb, Cavendish)
7 NorthAmericanScum 60(Gaviria, Degenkolb)
8 16 teams with Gav'n'Cav 51

1 Comodoro 363
2 BicycleBoy 357
3 Leadbelly 346
4 Shalgo 343
5 Bminchow 341
5 Gotland 341
7 Koronin 314
8 TotalPackage 303
9 Josedin 299
10 Googolplex 277


Yellow points

Highest GC change is at 47th place, and there are only minor changes in the minor categories, so very little to report not accounted for above.

GROENEWEGEN Dylan 95 4 teams
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 50 21 teams
LAPORTE Christophe 15 1 team
DEGENKOLB John 10 5 teams
KANGERT Tanel 2 17 teams
CAVENDISH Mark 1 34 teams
...
LATOUR Pierre -1 2 teams
MARTIN Daniel -2 11 teams
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar -2 3 teams
KITTEL Marcel -2 8 teams
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro -3 1 team

So this is basically the green points of the day with slight tweaks:
1 GPBlanco 98
2 RattaKuningas 96
3 BikeRacer33, Googolplex 94
5 Josedin 65
6 Koronin, NorthAmericanScum 58
8 Carlo_Algatrensig, Fauniera, Salvarani 53
11 Bminchow, Evans_is_the_Best, Leadbelly, Mellow_Velo, SemirS, SportingNonsense, TotalPackage, Yellow_Knight 51
19 Rote_Laterne, Search 50
21 Axl, BicycleBoy, Comodoro, Gotland, Shalgo 49
26 Postmanhat 10
27 Kazistuta 9
28 AG 8
29 Armchair_Cyclist, Hakkie2, Ruvu75 3
32 SafeBet 2
33 AmisVelo, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962, JustSomeGuy, Nathanptz, Squire 1
39 Laarsland, ThePirate81 0
41 LosBrolin, Minessa, Scrool07, Tigerion, Vladimir -1
Collective_Wisdom 53


Standings
I think the GC standings I used for the stage 6 update must have been published before Dumoulin's 20 second penalty was applied, so teams with Roglic and Nibali have a 6 point bonus in these standings not accounted for in the daily points above.


I drop a couple of places off the podium, and AG drops 5 in the top ten: Total Package and Ratta Kuningas get 6 place rises.

1 SemirS 1167
2 Search 917
3 BikeRacer33 910
4 Armchair_Cyclist 869
5 BicycleBoy 849
6 Josedin 843
7 Comodoro 823
8 AG 813
9 Leadbelly 809
10 Shalgo 803
11 Rote_Laterne 792
12 Bminchow 775
13 Gotland 768
14 Mellow_Velo 767
15 Koronin 737
16 NorthAmericanScum 716
17 Salvarani 708
18 Carlo_Algatrensig 706
19 TotalPackage 705
20 Googolplex 695
21 Squire 677
22 Axl 668
23 RattaKuningas 663
24 SafeBet 660
25 BluesInTheBottle 629
26 SportingNonsense 613
27 Hakkie2 590
28 Laarsland 581
29 Del1962 579
30 LosBrolin 574
31 Nathanptz 565
32 Vladimir 562
33 Fauniera 554
34 JustSomeGuy 552
35 Minessa 538
35 Tigerion 538
37 ThePirate81 529
38 Evans_is_the_Best 519
38 Yellow_Knight 519
40 Postmanhat 496
41 Ruvu75 494
42 Kazistuta 492
43 Scrool07 439
44 GPBlanco 406
45 AmisVelo 340
Collective_Wisdom 706

And today is unlikely to be any more interesting.
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14 Jul 2018 17:56

Stage 8 Another stately approach, except for Dan Martin, to a head-bump and a sprint.


Green points

GROENEWEGEN Dylan 80pts 4 teams
SAGAN Peter 50 0
DEGENKOLB John 35 5
KRISTOFF Alexander 25 0
VAN AVERMAET Greg 20 0
DEMARE Arnaud 15 0
BOUDAT Thomas 10 1
ARNDT Nikias 5 1
CAVENDISH Mark 3 34
LAMPAERT Yves 2 0
PASQUALON Andrea 1 0

Degenkolb has been quietly collecting minor points on several stages, and giving some value to the teams that picked him. Groenewegen might yet prove a better investment than the rather cheaper Gaviria as an expensive sprint option, especially if the latter continues to get relegated.



1 BikeRacer33, GPBlanco, RattaKuningas 83
4 Googolplex 80
5 Kazistuta, Koronin 38
7 AG, NorthAmericanScum, Postmanhat 35
10 Scrool07 13
11 Bminchow 8
12 27 Cavendish teams 3

Standings
1 Comodoro 366
2 BicycleBoy 360
3 Googolplex 357
4 Koronin 352
5 Bminchow 349
5 Leadbelly 349
7 Shalgo 346
8 Gotland 344
9 TotalPackage 306
10 NorthAmericanScum 305

Googolplex infiltrates the Gaviristas


Yellow points

The drop of Alaphilippe hurts no team, but gives a sizeable GC point boost to many. Dan Martin's fall is also, more modestly, good for others, but there are some teams that pay for that. Again, there are minor changes in the other classifications that contribute to today's gains and losses.

GROENEWEGEN Dylan 100 4 teams
DEGENKOLB John 38 5 teams
JUNGELS Bob 30 3 teams
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 28 1 team
MAJKA Rafal 20 5 teams
FUGLSANG Jakob 20 5 teams
PORTE Richie 20 36 teams
BOUDAT Thomas 11 1 team
...
PAUWELS Serge -7 2 teams
BOUET Maxime -12 1 team
MARTIN Daniel -20 11 teams


A rare day on which no-one, not even the Dan Martin teams, have a nett loss.
1 RattaKuningas 138
2 BikeRacer33 125
3 Googolplex 101
4 GPBlanco 99
5 Koronin 71
6 Kazistuta 65
7 NorthAmericanScum 62
8 Postmanhat 60
9 AG 58
10 SafeBet 57
11 Search 52
12 Hakkie2 50
13 Del1962 49
13 JustSomeGuy 49
15 Nathanptz 47
16 BluesInTheBottle 45
17 Rote_Laterne 44
18 SemirS 43
18 Squire 43
20 Scrool07 36
21 Ruvu75 32
21 Salvarani 32
23 Armchair_Cyclist 30
23 Josedin 30
25 Carlo_Algatrensig 28
25 TotalPackage 28
27 Mellow_Velo 27
27 Minessa 27
27 Tigerion 27
30 Axl 25
31 AmisVelo 14
32 Fauniera 12
33 Bminchow 11
34 Vladimir 9
35 Leadbelly 8
36 Comodoro 7
36 Evans_is_the_Best 7
36 LosBrolin 7
36 Shalgo 7
36 SportingNonsense 7
36 Yellow_Knight 7
42 Gotland 5
42 ThePirate81 5
44 BicycleBoy 3
45 Laarsland 0
Collective_Wisdom 28

Standings

A couple of wins for Groenewegen list BikeRacer to be the closest challenger to Semir's dominance, and in the top 10 Josedin and AG head in the right direction, while Rote Laterne joins the party. Ratta Kuningas is the fastest riser (10 places) on his own today, having shared the honour yesterday.

1 SemirS 1210
2 BikeRacer33 1035
3 Search 969
4 Armchair_Cyclist 899
5 Josedin 873
6 AG 871
7 BicycleBoy 852
8 Rote_Laterne 836
9 Comodoro 830
10 Leadbelly 817
11 Shalgo 810
12 Koronin 808
13 RattaKuningas 801
14 Googolplex 796
15 Mellow_Velo 794
16 Bminchow 786
17 NorthAmericanScum 778
18 Gotland 773
19 Salvarani 740
20 Carlo_Algatrensig 734
21 TotalPackage 733
22 Squire 720
23 SafeBet 717
24 Axl 693
25 BluesInTheBottle 674
26 Hakkie2 640
27 Del1962 628
28 SportingNonsense 620
29 Nathanptz 612
30 JustSomeGuy 601
31 Laarsland 581
31 LosBrolin 581
33 Vladimir 571
34 Fauniera 566
35 Minessa 565
35 Tigerion 565
37 Kazistuta 557
38 Postmanhat 556
39 ThePirate81 534
40 Evans_is_the_Best 526
40 Ruvu75 526
40 Yellow_Knight 526
43 GPBlanco 505
44 Scrool07 475
45 AmisVelo 354
Collective_Wisdom 734

After 2 days of racing limbo, they visit at least the gates of hell tomorrow. Something big will happen, but who knows what.
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14 Jul 2018 19:32

Since my prediction is a Quickstep rider wins (or at the very least podiums) and I feel they will blow the race apart, if anyone has any of their riders (maybe with the exception of Alaphilippe and Garviria) it could be a good day. Since I have Terpstra on my regular CQ team (not this team) I'm hoping he can pull off the win. Also hoping for a good day for Valverde.
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14 Jul 2018 20:10

Koronin wrote:Since my prediction is a Quickstep rider wins (or at the very least podiums) and I feel they will blow the race apart, if anyone has any of their riders (maybe with the exception of Alaphilippe and Garviria) it could be a good day. Since I have Terpstra on my regular CQ team (not this team) I'm hoping he can pull off the win. Also hoping for a good day for Valverde.


Other than Gaviria, the only Quickstep rider selected at all is Jungels, on 3 teams (Ratta Kuningas, Safe Bet and Search). But the main effect of tomorrow should be the time dropped in GC. Because someone will, seriously, and possibly more than one.
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15 Jul 2018 00:46

Armchair cyclist wrote:
Koronin wrote:Since my prediction is a Quickstep rider wins (or at the very least podiums) and I feel they will blow the race apart, if anyone has any of their riders (maybe with the exception of Alaphilippe and Garviria) it could be a good day. Since I have Terpstra on my regular CQ team (not this team) I'm hoping he can pull off the win. Also hoping for a good day for Valverde.


Other than Gaviria, the only Quickstep rider selected at all is Jungels, on 3 teams (Ratta Kuningas, Safe Bet and Search). But the main effect of tomorrow should be the time dropped in GC. Because someone will, seriously, and possibly more than one.



Oh I agree. One of the GC guys will definitely drop time tomorrow if not more than one. Punctures, crashes, something. There will be crashes.
Wasn't sure if any other QS rider was taken besides those two. Jungels could do well if they can pull him along while they go stage hunting tomorrow, because you know that's what they're looking for.
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