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Re: British politics

05 Jul 2018 21:39

It was reported that Theresa May didn't watch the PK shoot-out between England and Colombia, because she was too nervous, the tension was too much. Corbyn had no such jitters. So who's the one you want leading in a crisis? :)

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/53ea1474-b2e1-32b4-941b-c300b987b52f/ss_may-missed-england-penalties.html
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09 Jul 2018 20:26

I LOLed...

Boris the obvious unfit quits the job he never fit days after...Theresa said she may fire him.

Such a mistery made and unwound by the British political genious :surprised:

A border line idiot and a proven liar should have never been near the foreign office...

That he was points to a trouble her majesty needs to adress. Thankfully, it looks less drastic than America electing an idiot...
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09 Jul 2018 21:58

He was there because she needed him in a position where he would be forced to show at least some loyalty to the PM, rather than fomenting a revolt on the back benches. Same reason that Gove is Environment secretary.

If he has resigned to mount a coup he'd better be careful what he wishes for. The problem isn't May, and the problem isn't weak leadership. The problem will be there for whoever replaces May and it is intractable.
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09 Jul 2018 22:49

i dont buy the boris revolt scenario.

unless his eccentricity for the sake of holding/selling the political power had become an integral, ingrained part of the british politics. if so, it is sick...

just cant see an obviously irrational person heading the office which traditionally must be the most rational and pragmatic. by definition. in any nation in any settings under most circumstances. any student of foreign relations will notice that diplomacy is the art of what can be best done under the circumstances. as opposed to naked bombast. a barely ingenious dance, maneuvers and seemingly contradictory (or an outright pro-gov propaganda) being an integral part of the big diplomatic picture.

boris, besides his lingo skills, fell far short of any serious measure for a chief diplomat. an obvious -to me - conclusion.

if may HAD to appoint this freak, to secure herself, i am seriously worried for the british political institutions i held in high esteem previously.
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10 Jul 2018 05:27

It is well-documented that Johnson was appointed for precisely this reason (and, of course, as a sop to Brexiteers)
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10 Jul 2018 06:38

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-09/may-plows-on-toward-brexit-after-resignations-compound-turmoil
The latest chaos for May unfolded within 48 hours of what was supposed to be a breakthrough in uniting a fractious government behind her road map for Brexit. Instead, it underscored the intractability of the issue for a country stymied by infighting as the rest of the continent looks on.


This schizoid view of the EU has existed since .. well since it was formed. The UK wants Johnny Foreigners business but don't want him living next door. The Conservative Party more then any other institution.
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10 Jul 2018 07:20

It's more complex than that. A sizeable chunk of the population are pro-multicultural. The Conservative party is split over the EU, and always has been. The Lib dems are pro-EU.

The big change is Labour being lead by a Leave supporter.

So yes, schizoid, but you'll probably find similarities in certain other countries experiencing rising populism.

Whoever replaces May faces the same problems as May: no parliamentary majority, an shrinking economy and huge budget deficit, and an agenda that nobody believes in (Not even Boris)
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10 Jul 2018 17:16

It's a complete mess and I've no idea how it's going to end (well probably in Scotland another independence vote called by the SNP, hopefully:)). As an aside, the very impressive Laura Kuenssberg deserves a medal for her stamina. Out and about everyday and then live on the news at 10. No idea what she is on;) Not taking it to the Clinic though;)
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10 Jul 2018 17:41

It's a massive act of self-harm brought about by a rising nationalist populism.

Then again the majority of voting Scots would say the same about potential independence ;)

(yes, I know you aren't one of them :) )
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13 Jul 2018 04:36

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/trump-may-brexit-us-deal-off/
TRUMP'S BREXIT BLAST I told May how to do Brexit but she wrecked it — the US trade deal is off, says Donald Trump


Murdochs use Trump to bash May & brexit deal with EU.
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13 Jul 2018 04:59

...whilst simultaneously endorsing Boris Johnson, who completely coincidentally resigned just before Trumps visit.
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Re: British politics

13 Jul 2018 06:50

Merckx index wrote:It was reported that Theresa May didn't watch the PK shoot-out between England and Colombia, because she was too nervous, the tension was too much. Corbyn had no such jitters. So who's the one you want leading in a crisis? :)

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/53ea1474-b2e1-32b4-941b-c300b987b52f/ss_may-missed-england-penalties.html

Not the one that’s a terrorist sympathiser and isn’t a kick in the baws from a communist, I’m prett sure Corbyn hates Britain....plus he’s pumped that absolute bomb scare of a women Abbott, he’s not a man that can be trusted
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13 Jul 2018 07:06

I see you read and believe The Sun, Rick.
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15 Jul 2018 07:51

I don't understand why so many in Britain didn't see this coming two years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/14/brexit-britain-out-of-options-humiliation-painful
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15 Jul 2018 09:04

^since i ditched the guardian off my rss list, i rarely read their articles nowadays. the one above, while a lot i agree with, particularly wrt to trump behavior and the growing us arrogance, is little more than a partisan alarmist brain washer...

i wrote in this thread multiply, that brexit to me an outsider never made sense. the uk had almost all its 'sovereign' tools under own control (currency, foreign policy, defense). it also had just (before the brexit vote) negotiated a considerable independence in other areas like immigration and trade policies. the entire brexit idea, if i was a british subject would smack of a huge political blunder. that said, as a consistent euroskeptic, i feel it is good that that brexit gave the 28-head dysfunctional monster a kick in the balls and a knock on the head.

to summarize, when the author measured trump by the number of bad words about putin, not his recorded actions vis-à-vis a country, i instantly felt the artificial intellectualism of the author.

it is clear the uk is going through a difficult and painful period of balancing out the exit both domestically and internationally. but the autor's allusion to utter doom w/o options was imo cheap. hard or soft the brexit will still done to one of the world's strongest economies whose status of a financial world center is very unlike to move back to nyc and much less to paris...
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15 Jul 2018 10:44

A lot of the main city trade is with the eu. Services aren't included TM's new blueprint - will the ones that depend on EU trade really want to stay? Obviously, not everyone will leave, but there will likely be an exodus of sorts unless the uk stays wholly in the single market.
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Re:

15 Jul 2018 13:07

Jagartrott wrote:I don't understand why so many in Britain didn't see this coming two years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/14/brexit-britain-out-of-options-humiliation-painful


48% of us did.

I'm still at a loss trying to get any sense out of Brexit voters. In short, for most of the people I've spoken to the decision was purely ideological with absolutely not pragmatic element. This is why all the actual issues arose post-referendum rather than during the run-up.

Frankie Boyle likened it to ordering a pizza, and when it arrives discovering it is topped with pigeon sh1t and gravel, but then shouting "I've ordered it....I must eat it!".

The central issue is that it is a very stupid idea, a fact of which the politicians in charge are very well aware
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Re:

15 Jul 2018 19:20

Jagartrott wrote:I don't understand why so many in Britain didn't see this coming two years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/14/brexit-britain-out-of-options-humiliation-painful

We did in Scotland, with 62% voting remain with not one of our 32 council areas voting leave despite of the 38% who did vote leave. Thank fook after Indy ref 2 we will be welcomed back into the EU with open arms:) Latest polls 52% no for Independence 48% YES. It's a shoe in...
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15 Jul 2018 19:53

ferryman wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:I don't understand why so many in Britain didn't see this coming two years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/14/brexit-britain-out-of-options-humiliation-painful

We did in Scotland, with 62% voting remain with not one of our 32 council areas voting leave despite of the 38% who did vote leave. Thank fook after Indy ref 2 we will be welcomed back into the EU with open arms:) Latest polls 52% no for Independence 48% YES. It's a shoe in...


Is there a correlation between voting for or against Brexit and being pro or anti independence?
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16 Jul 2018 01:33

Can one British person bring me up to speed please..Trump was late..him and his old lady didn't do anything for the formal greeting..but instead stood there like a dope w an unbuttoned jacket ..then he walked in front of the queen..
Because the queen has depth and class..she didn't break stride..
Does this signal that the Trumps won't be invited back or is it kind of expected from Donald..
I really don't think either or any staffer inquired about the etiquette while greeting the queen..not even Google..just lint of winged it..
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