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23 Jul 2018 16:20

ChewbaccaDefense wrote:Can we re-title the thread "Dave Brailsford - Xenophobic Pr!ck?"

Why? The cycling genius thing is the only one of the two that's still up for debate.
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23 Jul 2018 16:40

yaco wrote:I don't have much time for Brailsford who can be pompous and arrogant at times,but on this occasion he is stating the obvious - Sky receive a generous welcome in the Giro and the Vuelta, compared to the TDF - Sometimes the truth hurts.


Truth or not (more than a grain of it in my opinion, but thats beside the point) it does seem remarkably ill-judged. To complain about your employees being put in danger and then pretty much accuse the people putting them in danger of being a nation of backward half-wits doesn't seem very responsible to me.

I really think he knows his time is up before long and he just can't be arsed even trying to rebuild bridges.
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23 Jul 2018 16:55

simoni wrote:
yaco wrote:I don't have much time for Brailsford who can be pompous and arrogant at times,but on this occasion he is stating the obvious - Sky receive a generous welcome in the Giro and the Vuelta, compared to the TDF - Sometimes the truth hurts.


Truth or not (more than a grain of it in my opinion, but thats beside the point) it does seem remarkably ill-judged. To complain about your employees being put in danger and then pretty much accuse the people putting them in danger of being a nation of backward half-wits doesn't seem very responsible to me.

I really think he knows his time is up before long and he just can't be arsed even trying to rebuild bridges.


Agreed, he has become very Trunp-esque in his responses in the last year or so. Constantly attacking, creating divisions, using culture and nationality as a means to **** stir.

Trump gets more and more deranged the close the Russia investigation gets to outing him, Brailsford the same. He is unhinged.
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23 Jul 2018 17:16

Everything is marginal gains with Sky, they are genius... Sure those words will help his team.
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23 Jul 2018 17:36

Alpe73 wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
GraftPunk wrote:It does seem a bit counter-productive for SDB to incite an already antagonistic crowd with nationalistic insults, overshadowing his better point that spectators should be more well behaved.


Agreed; call out people for spitting (disgusting and inexcusable behaviour) and throwing things at riders and he'll probably get lots of support...but focusing on the nationalism angle
does just seem designed to antagonise
.

Added to the French Mayor comments...once may be careless, twice is deliberate...



Disagree.

Frustration-induced hasty comment ... yes. On both occasions. Seeing what is at stake, forgivable.


How can you possibly call it hasty? He said it during a rest day press conference.
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Re: Re:

23 Jul 2018 17:41

Alpe73 wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
GraftPunk wrote:It does seem a bit counter-productive for SDB to incite an already antagonistic crowd with nationalistic insults, overshadowing his better point that spectators should be more well behaved.


Agreed; call out people for spitting (disgusting and inexcusable behaviour) and throwing things at riders and he'll probably get lots of support...but focusing on the nationalism angle
does just seem designed to antagonise
.

Added to the French Mayor comments...once may be careless, twice is deliberate...



Disagree.

Frustration-induced hasty comment ... yes. On both occasions. Seeing what is at stake, forgivable.


Hmmm...not so sure this one was a hasty comment.

Rest day press conference, sounds like he’s gone in there planning to say exactly this to me...but who knows?

That said, I agree it’s borne of frustration and he’s spot on about the different reactions at the other grand tours, I just think the language he uses to get his point across is very antagonistic
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Re: Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

23 Jul 2018 18:01

I like very much the spectacle Brailsford’s shenanigans bring to the theater of pro cycling. He should have waited until after the Tour for these latest comments, though. I really hope Brailsford’s mouth didn’t just write a check that his riders have to cash. Rider safety is #1 above all else.
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Re: Re:

23 Jul 2018 18:22

brownbobby wrote:
Alpe73 wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
GraftPunk wrote:It does seem a bit counter-productive for SDB to incite an already antagonistic crowd with nationalistic insults, overshadowing his better point that spectators should be more well behaved.


Agreed; call out people for spitting (disgusting and inexcusable behaviour) and throwing things at riders and he'll probably get lots of support...but focusing on the nationalism angle
does just seem designed to antagonise
.

Added to the French Mayor comments...once may be careless, twice is deliberate...



Disagree.

Frustration-induced hasty comment ... yes. On both occasions. Seeing what is at stake, forgivable.


Hmmm...not so sure this one was a hasty comment.

Rest day press conference, sounds like he’s gone in there planning to say exactly this to me...but who knows?

That said, I agree it’s borne of frustration and he’s spot on about the different reactions at the other grand tours, I just think the language he uses to get his point across is very antagonistic


It's nonsense to say it's a French thing. It's a Tour De France thing.

The booing, 'assaults', 'liquid hurling' and spitting have occurred on iconic climbs and finishes were the crowd would be (at most) 50% French. Does the Giro or the Vuelta ever attract such a cosmopolitan crowd?

The peleton has gone though la France Profonde without incident. Indeed towns and villages have come out to cheer them all on even when the Skytrain has been ahead.
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Re: Re:

23 Jul 2018 18:31

simoni wrote:
yaco wrote:I don't have much time for Brailsford who can be pompous and arrogant at times,but on this occasion he is stating the obvious - Sky receive a generous welcome in the Giro and the Vuelta, compared to the TDF - Sometimes the truth hurts.


Truth or not (more than a grain of it in my opinion, but thats beside the point) it does seem remarkably ill-judged. To complain about your employees being put in danger and then pretty much accuse the people putting them in danger of being a nation of backward half-wits doesn't seem very responsible to me.

I really think he knows his time is up before long and he just can't be arsed even trying to rebuild bridges.


I posted that Brailsford is pompous and arrogant - It still doesn't change the issue of the unsavoury and uncouth behaviour at the TDF, compared to the Giro and the Vuelta.
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23 Jul 2018 18:34

Mayo from Mayo wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
Alpe73 wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
GraftPunk wrote:It does seem a bit counter-productive for SDB to incite an already antagonistic crowd with nationalistic insults, overshadowing his better point that spectators should be more well behaved.


Agreed; call out people for spitting (disgusting and inexcusable behaviour) and throwing things at riders and he'll probably get lots of support...but focusing on the nationalism angle
does just seem designed to antagonise
.

Added to the French Mayor comments...once may be careless, twice is deliberate...



Disagree.

Frustration-induced hasty comment ... yes. On both occasions. Seeing what is at stake, forgivable.


Hmmm...not so sure this one was a hasty comment.

Rest day press conference, sounds like he’s gone in there planning to say exactly this to me...but who knows?

That said, I agree it’s borne of frustration and he’s spot on about the different reactions at the other grand tours, I just think the language he uses to get his point across is very antagonistic


It's nonsense to say it's a French thing. It's a Tour De France thing.

The booing, 'assaults', 'liquid hurling' and spitting have occurred on iconic climbs and finishes were the crowd would be (at most) 50% French. Does the Giro or the Vuelta ever attract such a cosmopolitan crowd?

The peleton has gone though la France Profonde without incident. Indeed towns and villages have come out to cheer them all on even when the Skytrain has been ahead.


Stop deflecting blame - Watching the TV coverage the booing is clearly heard, especially at stage finishes and podium ceremonies - Never heard this at the Giro or the Vuelta.
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23 Jul 2018 19:09

yaco wrote:
Stop deflecting blame - Watching the TV coverage the booing is clearly heard, especially at stage finishes and podium ceremonies - Never heard this at the Giro or the Vuelta.

Maybe because on Giro we were still waiting the result of the AAF, and for the Vuelta, we have to wait.

Different time, different situation, maybe DB didn't undestand that too.
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Re: Re:

23 Jul 2018 20:17

brownbobby"]
Alpe73 wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
GraftPunk wrote:It does seem a bit counter-productive for SDB to incite an already antagonistic crowd with nationalistic insults, overshadowing his better point that spectators should be more well behaved.


Agreed; call out people for spitting (disgusting and inexcusable behaviour) and throwing things at riders and he'll probably get lots of support...but focusing on the nationalism angle
does just seem designed to antagonise
.

Added to the French Mayor comments...once may be careless, twice is deliberate...



Disagree.

Frustration-induced hasty comment ... yes. On both occasions. Seeing what is at stake, forgivable.


Hmmm...not so sure this one was a hasty comment.

Rest day press conference, sounds like he’s gone in there planning to say exactly this to me...but who knows?

That said, I agree it’s borne of frustration and he’s spot on about the different reactions at the other grand tours, I just think the language he uses to get his point across is very antagonistic[/quote]

It's nonsense to say it's a French thing. It's a Tour De France thing.

The booing, 'assaults', 'liquid hurling' and spitting have occurred on iconic climbs and finishes were the crowd would be (at most) 50% French. Does the Giro or the Vuelta ever attract such a cosmopolitan crowd?

The peleton has gone though la France Profonde without incident. Indeed towns and villages have come out to cheer them all on even when the Skytrain has been ahead.[/quote]

Stop deflecting blame - Watching the TV coverage the booing is clearly heard, especially at stage finishes and podium ceremonies - Never heard this at the Giro or the Vuelta.[/quote]

Which I did not deny in my post. I only pointed out that where it was heard the crowd was not wholly, or even majority French.
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23 Jul 2018 20:28

SDB not exactly doing his bit for the ol' "Entente Cordiale". People were nicer at the Giro because that was before the UCI pulled the plug on Froome's "presumed AAF" and SDB's "mayor" comment.
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Re: Re:

23 Jul 2018 20:32

poupou wrote:
yaco wrote:
Stop deflecting blame - Watching the TV coverage the booing is clearly heard, especially at stage finishes and podium ceremonies - Never heard this at the Giro or the Vuelta.

Maybe because on Giro we were still waiting the result of the AAF, and for the Vuelta, we have to wait.

Different time, different situation, maybe DB didn't undestand that too.


:p

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I would say also, it’s not that hot in May, you’re not getting the crowds getting drunk for 3 days straight. Generally at the Giro you can roll up on the day and see the stage. The Tour, no chance for stage like d’Huez.
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23 Jul 2018 20:34

Médecins Sans Frontières? :D
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23 Jul 2018 20:44

thehog wrote:
:p

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I would say also, it’s not that hot in May, you’re not getting the crowds getting drunk for 3 days straight. Generally at the Giro you can roll up on the day and see the stage. The Tour, no chance for stage like d’Huez.
I have been waiting to see something like that. Either a big one or a lot of people "using" at the same time - thats funny and way better than all the **** they are doing.
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23 Jul 2018 22:08

I would like to know what drugs he is on, may be it would help to understand his points.
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Re: Re:

23 Jul 2018 22:10

JosephK wrote:
ontheroad wrote:Brailsford has had another go at the French!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-blames-tour-de-france-roadside-reactions-on-a-french-cultural-thing/

It seems like unless you dance to his tune he just can't accept it. He must be living in a sheltered bubble where I honestly don't think he gets the anger of many withing the cycling world. Every time he opens his mouth he just end up making things worse.


LOL. Sir Dave is unable to resist kicking the hornets' nest.

It's a British cultural thing
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23 Jul 2018 22:26

thehog wrote:
simoni wrote:
yaco wrote:I don't have much time for Brailsford who can be pompous and arrogant at times,but on this occasion he is stating the obvious - Sky receive a generous welcome in the Giro and the Vuelta, compared to the TDF - Sometimes the truth hurts.


Truth or not (more than a grain of it in my opinion, but thats beside the point) it does seem remarkably ill-judged. To complain about your employees being put in danger and then pretty much accuse the people putting them in danger of being a nation of backward half-wits doesn't seem very responsible to me.

I really think he knows his time is up before long and he just can't be arsed even trying to rebuild bridges.


Agreed, he has become very Trunp-esque in his responses in the last year or so. Constantly attacking, creating divisions, using culture and nationality as a means to **** stir.

Trump gets more and more deranged the close the Russia investigation gets to outing him, Brailsford the same. He is unhinged.

Amen to that
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Re: Re:

23 Jul 2018 23:19

Saint Unix wrote:
ChewbaccaDefense wrote:Can we re-title the thread "Dave Brailsford - Xenophobic Pr!ck?"

Why? The cycling genius thing is the only one of the two that's still up for debate.


Brilliant!!!...you, not Brailsford.
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