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Re: Jan Ullrich still has it!!!

06 Aug 2018 10:51

Jan Ullrich responds to incident with neighbor on Mallorca: "Suddenly I was attacked with a karate kick"
http://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20180806_03650329
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10 Aug 2018 10:07

https://twitter.com/friebos/status/1027858195891609600

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Der Spiegel says that police have confirmed early reports about Jan Ullrich's arrest for allegedly attacking a prostitute in a luxury hotel in Frankfurt.
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10 Aug 2018 10:25

Prostitutes, drugs, hotels... this is VDB all over again.
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Re: Jan Ullrich still has it!!!

10 Aug 2018 10:28

It's over, the man is done as a man can be done.
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Re: Jan Ullrich still has it!!!

10 Aug 2018 10:43

The homicide squad has taken over the case.
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10 Aug 2018 11:06

Google Translate
The Frankfurt police reports: "Today in the early morning hours, a 44-year-old hotel guest has been arrested after a tangible confrontation." In the meantime, the Frankfurt public prosecutor has confirmed to news agencies that the arrested person is the former professional cyclist Jan Ullrich.

"Previously, the guest was in dispute with an escort lady who stayed with him, and in the further course he should have physically attacked and injured them," the police say. Even the homicide squad was turned on, as several media report. According to information in the picture Ullrich massively strangled the woman because he was not satisfied with his "sexual performance".

Jan Ullrich had been so under alcohol and drugs that he could not be heard, as the prosecutor Frankfurt told the Hessischer Rundfunk. The injured victim had to be medically treated. [...]


Die Polizei Frankfurt meldet: "Heute in den frühen Morgenstunden ist ein 44-jähriger Hotelgast nach einer handgreiflichen Auseinandersetzung vorläufig festgenommen worden." Inzwischen bestätigte die Staatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt gegenüber Nachrichtenagenturen: Es handelt es sich bei dem Festgenommenen um den früheren Radprofi Jan Ullrich.

"Zuvor war der Gast mit einer bei ihm weilenden Escortdame in Streit geraten. Im weiteren Verlauf soll er diese körperlich attackiert und verletzt haben", heißt es bei der Polizei weiter. Sogar die Mordkommission wurde eingeschaltet, wie mehrere Medien berichten. Nach Informationen der Bild soll Ullrich die Frau massiv gewürgt haben, weil er mit seiner „sexuellen Leistung“ nicht zufrieden war.

Jan Ullrich habe so unter Alkohol und Drogen gestanden, dass er nicht vernommen werden konnte, wie die Staatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt dem Hessischen Rundfunk erklärte. Das verletzte Opfer musste medizinisch versorgt werden. [...]


https://www.wetterauer-zeitung.de/regional/hessen/Hessen-Jan-Ullrich-in-Frankfurt-festgenommen-Mordkommission-soll-ermitteln;art189,469964#Social-Share
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10 Aug 2018 11:19

Seems like "it" in this case means "the ability to mess up"...

Bye Bye Bicycle wrote:Prostitutes, drugs, hotels... this is VDB all over again.


Let's hope it doesn't get that far...
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10 Aug 2018 12:05

Oh my, he needs HELP badly or this could end like VDB or Pantani :(
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10 Aug 2018 12:19

Damn, and people call Armstrong a sociopath. Seems like Ullrich is much, much worse. Will they be taking away his Tour victories as well or was that only for Armstrong?
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10 Aug 2018 12:27

El Pistolero wrote:Damn, and people call Armstrong a sociopath. Seems like Ullrich is much, much worse. Will they be taking away his Tour victories as well or was that only for Armstrong?

"Sociopath" doesn't mean what you think it means and Armstrong's victories weren't taken away for the reason you think they were and basically what the hell are you saying Pisti.
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10 Aug 2018 12:30

El Pistolero wrote:Damn, and people call Armstrong a sociopath. Seems like Ullrich is much, much worse. Will they be taking away his Tour victories as well or was that only for Armstrong?

Maybe he is a sociopath as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the years of lying, hiding stuff and trying to juggle his career with his conscience has contributed significantly to his alcoholism, drug abuse and subsequent breakdown. And perhaps its precisely because he isn't a sociopath that he couldn't handle the cycling business as clinically (no pun intended) and dispassionately as someone like Armstrong. Cycling in the 90s/early 00s has left a pretty unpleasant legacy in this regard.
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10 Aug 2018 13:29

hrotha wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:Damn, and people call Armstrong a sociopath. Seems like Ullrich is much, much worse. Will they be taking away his Tour victories as well or was that only for Armstrong?

"Sociopath" doesn't mean what you think it means and Armstrong's victories weren't taken away for the reason you think they were and basically what the hell are you saying Pisti.


Well, they weren't taken away for his drug abuse looking at the palmares of Ullrich or Bjarne Riis.

And strangling prostitutes is far worse than anything Armstrong ever did lol.
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10 Aug 2018 13:34

"Sociopath" doesn't mean "bad person". As for the rest, I suggest you actually read the reasoned decision for Armstrong's case.
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10 Aug 2018 13:43

It seems to me Ullrich has serious psychological problems and needs professional help. But he also has to respond to the authorities for this strangling.
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10 Aug 2018 14:20

hrotha wrote:"Sociopath" doesn't mean "bad person". As for the rest, I suggest you actually read the reasoned decision for Armstrong's case.


When people say Armstrong is a sociopath they mean it as a bad thing. You can't have a psychological evaluation of someone you never met, so these accusations hold little merit.

In other words, I'm not talking about the psychological definition of sociopath, but what the common people think when they hear that word.

If Armstrong did something like this a lot of people would call him a psychopath or sociopath.

Ps: I'm well aware that terms like psychopath or sociopath don't mean "bad" person, a lot of successful people show signs of psychopathy. My favorite piece of literature is the Melian Dialogue by Thucydides, and I have more sympathy for the point of view of the Athenians than I do the Melians.
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10 Aug 2018 15:36

El Pistolero wrote:
hrotha wrote:"Sociopath" doesn't mean "bad person". As for the rest, I suggest you actually read the reasoned decision for Armstrong's case.


When people say Armstrong is a sociopath they mean it as a bad thing. You can't have a psychological evaluation of someone you never met, so these accusations hold little merit.

In other words, I'm not talking about the psychological definition of sociopath, but what the common people think when they hear that word.

If Armstrong did something like this a lot of people would call him a psychopath or sociopath.

Ps: I'm well aware that terms like psychopath or sociopath don't mean "bad" person, a lot of successful people show signs of psychopathy. My favorite piece of literature is the Melian Dialogue by Thucydides, and I have more sympathy for the point of view of the Athenians than I do the Melians.

Which is not surprising at all
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10 Aug 2018 15:47

This must be the first mentioning ever of Thucydides in a discussion on Jan Ullrich. :D
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10 Aug 2018 15:50

Yea, very surprising :D but it is el pistolero after all ...so understandable, i suppose.
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10 Aug 2018 17:41

There is no correlation between depression and violent behavior. He needs incarceration, not therapy.
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10 Aug 2018 17:52

I just don't understand how he went from happy and well to this. Honestly he needs help and what ever happens from this altercation.
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