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LeMond

23 Jul 2009 19:51

Is it just me or can this guy not go away quick enough? He is po'd that he has been marginalized as America's greatest cyclist and just cannot leave it alone.

Based on his proposition Astana/Discovery has the greatest masking agent EVER! They searched their bus to know avail. And no doubt they have probably been the most tested team in the last yr due to reputation.

Let it go Greg....just let it go.

I am thinking seriously of taping over his name on my frame.
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23 Jul 2009 19:58

OnTheButton wrote:Is it just me or can this guy not go away quick enough? He is po'd that he has been marginalized as America's greatest cyclist and just cannot leave it alone.

Based on his proposition Astana/Discovery has the greatest masking agent EVER! They searched their bus to know avail. And no doubt they have probably been the most tested team in the last yr due to reputation.

Let it go Greg....just let it go.

I am thinking seriously of taping over his name on my frame.


OH NO - you bought one of his Huffy replicas? J/K
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23 Jul 2009 20:02

OnTheButton wrote:Is it just me or can this guy not go away quick enough? He is po'd that he has been marginalized as America's greatest cyclist and just cannot leave it alone.

Based on his proposition Astana/Discovery has the greatest masking agent EVER! They searched their bus to know avail. And no doubt they have probably been the most tested team in the last yr due to reputation.

Let it go Greg....just let it go.

I am thinking seriously of taping over his name on my frame.


Have you seen some of his old interviews where he threatened to punch someone on camera, claimed that the reason he lost the 91 TDF was magically 70 or was it 75% of the peleton started doping that had not doped the year before, or his claims that Lance admitted to him that he has doped. He seems to have some anger issues, credibility issues and a need for attention. I have always thought he was a little nuts. How nuts is open to interpretation. But then again that does not mean that LA has not doped.
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23 Jul 2009 20:05

I used to be pissed at Lemond, but knowing he is an abused child, I feel sorry for him now.
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23 Jul 2009 20:19

He's become the equivalent of the idiot that stands on a cardboard box and screams that the end is near with a megaphone as I leave Bronco games every Sunday in the fall. It's high comedy mixed with some real sadness for what he's turned himself into.
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23 Jul 2009 20:28

Well, with Lance Armstrong obviously not burning up the roads, Lemond is now going after Alberto Contador with innuendo and oblique references. (And some pretty direct ones too!)

Refusing to reveal one's VO2Max, don't mean a thing - it's like asking what a rider's training program looks like - from there all kinds of calcs can be done.
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23 Jul 2009 20:31

does anybody have a link to the claims made by lemond about alberto?
interview?
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23 Jul 2009 20:34

DarkWing wrote:does anybody have a link to the claims made by lemond about alberto?
interview?

Go to the Clinic. There is a thread for it.
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23 Jul 2009 20:35

Doesn't he have the fastest stage victory ever? Makes you wonder what he was on? Surely, if all these superhero's of today are doping and cannot eclipse his mark (wasn't it even set on the last day of the tour?), he had to be doping as well.

He just needs to shut his mouth and go into hiding. Nobody cares what he has to say anymore. Go away Greg, you are a cancer to our sport.
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23 Jul 2009 20:41

Old man yells at cloud.
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23 Jul 2009 20:43

Greg gave us dear memories back in the 80's and he's always been a real fighter against doping. Unfortunately is a one-man fight against an entire System that simply won't stop, as long as the money & the doping mentality remains not only around the riders, but also with in the organizers.
his cause is almost an utopia
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Greg's reality

23 Jul 2009 20:49

Greg was getting dropped at an East Coast tour 6 weeks, thought about quitting before he went home to train. By himself. Before he won the Tour. I've never heard anyone that got that much stronger riding by themselves...ever. He had former teammates come clean years later discussing EPO as allowing them to "ride like two men". Phil Liggett didn't say it first, a doper did. Lemond's teammate. None of this suggests that Lemond doped. It does offer a context that he should take into account when he questions the ability of others.
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23 Jul 2009 20:51

DUDE
LEMOND IS GENUINE!

sure he isnt the best public speaker.
but my god he is driven by passion. The guy loves his sport- sees that it is rotten at the top end. His inside info is more that ANY of us will ever know and he just wants to clean it up. Putting his reputation on the line standing against LA (how dare he!). He ran from the PDM team when seeing their back room DR. I really think He rode clean.

Give this/him a chance

http://www.thefredcast.com/index.php?s=lemond
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23 Jul 2009 22:17

Just because Lemond is almost alone in this fight, it means he is a douchbag? People always seem to mock those brave souls who walk outside the norm and are almost single handedly willing to fight against injustice. At least Lemond isn't sheep like most of the world. He shows the opposite of what you accuse him of. Just because someone is a minority it doesn't mean they are wrong. Study the info before judging. Maybe we are the fools.

If other's were as couragous and as confident in who they are, we would have more people doing what Lemond, Kimmage, Kohl, Bassons, That Kelme guy, Alex Jones et al. are doing. The doping problem would be a lot smaller.

At least Lemond knows which side he is getting hit from. You fence sitters get hit by both sides. Baaa, Baaa. Follow the lead sheep (the general media) and go and walk off a cliff.
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23 Jul 2009 22:25

OnTheButton wrote:Is it just me or can this guy not go away quick enough? He is po'd that he has been marginalized as America's greatest cyclist and just cannot leave it alone.

Let it go Greg....just let it go.

I am thinking seriously of taping over his name on my frame.


Yep - I think it is time to get rid of that bike and get as far away form any connection with this guy as possible
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23 Jul 2009 22:36

Oldman wrote:Greg was getting dropped at an East Coast tour 6 weeks, thought about quitting before he went home to train. By himself. Before he won the Tour. I've never heard anyone that got that much stronger riding by themselves...ever. He had former teammates come clean years later discussing EPO as allowing them to "ride like two men". Phil Liggett didn't say it first, a doper did. Lemond's teammate. None of this suggests that Lemond doped. It does offer a context that he should take into account when he questions the ability of others.


What year was the East Coast race? Every year he won the Tour he did the Giro as preparation.
And who are the former team mates you talk about?
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23 Jul 2009 22:36

Bi Ci Cleta wrote:Doesn't he have the fastest stage victory ever?
Fastest TT. It did stand for 15 or so years.
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23 Jul 2009 22:49

Dr. Maserati wrote:What year was the East Coast race? Every year he won the Tour he did the Giro as preparation.
And who are the former team mates you talk about?


It was Tour duPont or something similar. I'm quoting Greg when he referenced getting dropped and nearly quitting the sport. Friends in Napa saw him training in that area with Otto Jacombe. As for his teammates-one of the Belgians admitted using EPO at that time. Again-I'm not saying he used anything; just that the appearances are close the the "circumstancial" evidence he's laying on everyone else. The Iconic Sports Star as the totally clean Judge doesn't suit him. If he wants to improve testing; he should stick to the specifics rather than implicating folks without evidence. Gossip sells, however; and he needs a forum and some income.
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23 Jul 2009 22:53

Now it appears LeMonds info was overestimated and not entirely correct. Puts his numbers off by 10 and Contador into the very low 80s, which is entirely achievable.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contadors-climbing-credibility-questioned

But for a racer like LeMond, he should know that there are other factors then just VO2 max, anyone that has ever raced a bike or been at an elite level of sport knows that numbers are not everything. From personal experience I think that the power of belief is greater then what many give it credit for. Its those magic words that sink into your head of "I can" that gives you that extra effort or ability, that lets the human spirit achieve things greater then thought possible. The utmost conviction in believing that you can succeed and will means that not always do the fittest or strongest win. And then on the flip side, the dreaded "I can't", that brings instant defeat and doubt and crashes you back to reality and foils everything that you've worked so hard for.

That was one of the reason I was such a Lance fan, his ability to go that extra distance with belief in himself and to have a greater pain tolerance then the rest allowing him to push into that region where you shouldn't be able to go. I truely think that AC has that ability too.
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No challenge to LeMond?

23 Jul 2009 22:58

I am curious as to why no journalist ever calls out his alleged drug use?

Though admittedly surrounded by coincidence, similar factors do not influence LeMonds outspoken criticism and he seems to get a free pass with the press to accuse - but never has to defend his own position.

So, when is a journalist going to grow a pair and ask LeMond the tough question(s)? Or, does abuse just get you a get out of jail free card?
(Perhaps some jails, but certainly not this one)
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