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[Green Edge] Shayne Bannan, Gerry Ryan and an Aussie Pro Team for 2012?

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19 Apr 2012 00:59

42x16ss wrote:Cam Meyer and Leigh Howard working together as leadout men? Could be awesome, they obviously know how to work together from their time racing the Madison. Meyer is coming off track worlds too so should be in decent form. Only issue could be Goss holding their wheels ;)


Hard to say if those two will team up, Meyer has Tour of Turkey coming up and Howard has Romandie....they do finish on the same day, so we will wait for an outcome on the Giro after that. Meyer especially was super impressive in the Worlds and his win in the points race. Goss will get the chance to hang on to some fast men in Turkey though with Meyer and Hepburn there. Also has Kroupis and McEwan in the wings.
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19 Apr 2012 01:36

PCutter wrote:Cam Meyer said after the Track Worlds he was down for California (so ruling out Giro) in what listed as a standard TdF lead up, including TdS (though he was unsure if he'd actually get TdF selection at that stage).

Goss will do Giro and probably pull out before the last week or maybe earlier to reset for TdF.


Sorry missed your post, it came up as I was typing. I like Cam Meyer in either GT, he really is a big future prospect. If he is doing the California Tour then he won't be in the mix as you say for the Giro. Interesting selection options though, would love to see what their early thinking is on TdF.

Maybe they will put one or two in to support Goss in Italy and then build a team around him for the green jersey in France, with Gerrans and Weening...possibly Albasini as well if that is an option.....for the hilly and mountain stages.
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19 Apr 2012 02:40

hatcher wrote:Leaving Goss out would be a tough call if he's healthy. Giro-Tour-Olympics seems to be the route most top sprinters are going.

The 9 I put does look a bit one-dimensional, and it would be great to see Albasini there. Wonder how close he is to being over-raced though.

Simon Clarke is one I can't find any race schedule info about. He'd fit nicely.


Clarke is doing the Vuelta. I think your Giro team is spot on. Last rider may be Bobridge for the two weeks, they need him for the TTT.

Their other teams will probably be:

Tour

O'Grady
Goss
Vaitkus
Langeveld
Cooke
Gerrans
Albasini
C. Meyer
Sulzberger

Vuelta

Clarke
Howard
Durbridge
T. Meyer
Davis
Tuft
O'Grady (for a drink)
Dean or Docker if they have recovered from injuries or perhaps Lancaster/Wilson.
Bobridge if he doesn't do the Giro, maybe Hepburn.
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19 Apr 2012 04:13

hatcher wrote:Leaving Goss out would be a tough call if he's healthy. Giro-Tour-Olympics seems to be the route most top sprinters are going.

The 9 I put does look a bit one-dimensional, and it would be great to see Albasini there. Wonder how close he is to being over-raced though.

Simon Clarke is one I can't find any race schedule info about. He'd fit nicely.


They should definitely save Albasini for the Tour. He'd be a pretty good bet for a stage win and they surely won't put all their eggs in the Goss basket.
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19 Apr 2012 04:47

Ferminal wrote:Clarke is doing the Vuelta. I think your Giro team is spot on. Last rider may be Bobridge for the two weeks, they need him for the TTT.

Their other teams will probably be:

Tour

O'Grady
Goss
Vaitkus
Langeveld
Cooke
Gerrans
Albasini
C. Meyer
Sulzberger


Plenty of good rouleurs there but not really any fast men for Goss in the last KM. Normally Julian Dean would definitely be selected but that's probably very unrealistic now with his injuries. Davis would be the most likely I'd have thought. Isn't Weening supposed to be doing the Tour? In your line-up I'd replace Sulzberger and Langeveld with Davis and Weening.
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19 Apr 2012 04:52

JRanton wrote:Plenty of good rouleurs there but not really any fast men for Goss in the last KM.


No reason why the final leadout man has to be fast, just smart.
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19 Apr 2012 04:57

Ferminal wrote:No reason why the final leadout man has to be fast, just smart.


He still has to be pretty fast. Who is the smart final lead out man in your line-up?
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19 Apr 2012 05:07

JRanton wrote:He still has to be pretty fast. Who is the smart final lead out man in your line-up?


Cooke or O'Grady.
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19 Apr 2012 05:25

Ferminal wrote:Cooke or O'Grady.


When was the last time either of them was involved in a sprint at the Tour? I even remember a quote from Cooke at the Tour of Qatar (I think) when he said he wasn't fast enough to be final lead out man any more. No way does Greenedge go to the Tour relying on either Cooke or O'Grady to be the final lead out man. It just isn't going to happen.
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19 Apr 2012 05:50

JRanton wrote:When was the last time either of them was involved in a sprint at the Tour? I even remember a quote from Cooke at the Tour of Qatar (I think) when he said he wasn't fast enough to be final lead out man any more. No way does Greenedge go to the Tour relying on either Cooke or O'Grady to be the final lead out man. It just isn't going to happen.


When was the last time Davis was involved in a sprint at the Tour? Way back with Liberty Seguros wasn't it? When was the last time Davis lead someone to victory? The only reason for Davis to be there is if he's confident that he can win Stage 14. If he was there he could be in the leadouts, but it would be only part of his role for the race.

Even if they did have a specialist leadout available to them you would question their place in the squad. GreenEdge have achieved nothing in competitive sprints this year, and we all know that in the Tour Cav will win at least four stages and then there's Kittel. The chances of Goss winning a stage over the course of the Tour might be 20%, with a leadout man that increases to what, 25%?
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19 Apr 2012 06:50

Ferminal wrote:When was the last time Davis was involved in a sprint at the Tour? Way back with Liberty Seguros wasn't it? When was the last time Davis lead someone to victory? The only reason for Davis to be there is if he's confident that he can win Stage 14. If he was there he could be in the leadouts, but it would be only part of his role for the race.

Even if they did have a specialist leadout available to them you would question their place in the squad. GreenEdge have achieved nothing in competitive sprints this year, and we all know that in the Tour Cav will win at least four stages and then there's Kittel. The chances of Goss winning a stage over the course of the Tour might be 20%, with a leadout man that increases to what, 25%?


I think there may be some tinkering done at the Tour of Turkey (see below) where they have a strong sprint line up in place. I think Kroupis and Davis have sprinted pretty well this year but Goss seems to be training more than racing for the sprints....hopefully it is because he has such a big focus on TdF and Olympics. Lancaster seems to be the most credentialed lead out man at GE but the two who I would like to see are Howard and Meyer...both are great in traffic, have terrific speed and although young, have that track background that serves most of the top sprinters so well. If the team is as you have listed it, I would think that a lead out of Vaitkus, O'Grady, Cooke and Meyer would be good enough.....would love to add Howard or Lancaster for the final lead out leg.

Aidis Kruopis
Brett Lancaster
Cameron Meyer
Daniel Tekelehaimanot
Jens Mouris
Matt Goss
Michael Hepburn
Robbie McEwen
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19 Apr 2012 07:01

Wilba60 wrote:Good to see the boys still punching above their weight. I had to resurrect the GE thread as I tried in vain on the Flech Wallonne one. 65 pages of posts and besides myself tipping Albasini and Greenedge mentioning Simon Clarke there was barely a mention of GE....like they were or are an invisible team.
Very exciting Tour of Turkey team in; will be interesting to see how the track boys Meyer and Hepburn go with the big gun sprinters
Aidis Kruopis
Brett Lancaster
Cameron Meyer
Daniel Tekelehaimanot
Jens Mouris
Matt Goss
Michael Hepburn
Robbie McEwen


I was so wrong though. I said Clarke would attack but instead he was Albasinis' wingman.
Meyer could go well at the TOT because he could do what he did at the TDU last year. Goss will use this event as a warmup for the Giro, i hope he can go well.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

The Grand Boucle wasn't just Europe's for the taking.

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19 Apr 2012 07:09

Wilba60 wrote:I have something in the back of my mind thinking that Cam Meyer will race in the Giro and if he races Leigh Howard may not be far behind. These two would set up Goss very nicely.


I doubt Meyer will, there was something in the SMH a week or so ago saying that he wants to do the TDF.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

The Grand Boucle wasn't just Europe's for the taking.

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D&C "He will soon..."
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19 Apr 2012 07:16

Ferminal wrote:
Tour
Langeveld

Vuelta
Durbridge
Bobridge if he doesn't do the Giro, maybe Hepburn.

I think Langveld might not have recovered by the time the TDF comes.
I would not send Durbridge or Hepburn to a GT this year. They are still young/ hepburn will be tired from Olympic Track. The Vuelta is also very mountanis this year, so that would enhance it even more.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

The Grand Boucle wasn't just Europe's for the taking.

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"Has Porte ever dropped Nibali in any mountain?"
D&C "He will soon..."
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19 Apr 2012 08:54

anyone else notice albasini climbed the mur seated?
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19 Apr 2012 09:04

how will GE go in the TTT this year?
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19 Apr 2012 11:27

Ferminal wrote:

Clarke
Howard
Durbridge
T. Meyer
Davis
Tuft
O'Grady (for a drink)
Dean or Docker if they have recovered from injuries or perhaps Lancaster/Wilson.
Bobridge if he doesn't do the Giro, maybe Hepburn.


ahahah, good one! :D
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19 Apr 2012 11:29

greenedge wrote:I think Langveld might not have recovered by the time the TDF comes.
I would not send Durbridge or Hepburn to a GT this year. They are still young/ hepburn will be tired from Olympic Track. The Vuelta is also very mountanis this year, so that would enhance it even more.

Langeveld currently does Eurosport commentary in Holland, yesterday he said he's already back on the bike for a few hours a day. He'll make his return in the Tour of Norway in the buildup to the Tour.
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19 Apr 2012 11:52

karlboss wrote:anyone else notice albasini climbed the mur seated?


I noticed and it looked strange when looking at the other riders. How well is he going ? Another great result for GreenEdge.
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19 Apr 2012 12:10

What a great start for this team.

The backstage pass videos on their website are gretat, especially the one from MSR... I watched it 3 times in a row.

It only gets better on Sunday when they win their 4th WT race for the year.
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