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09 Apr 2017 15:21

Another good ride by Matt Hayman at Roubaix.
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09 Apr 2017 16:27

Orica will be disappointed with Keukeliere's untimely mechanical with 35kms to go - Looked one of the strongest riders at that time and probably would have made the final group of 6, Keukeliere must have suffered another mechanical or crashed because he finished 14 minutes behind - Hayman was a good ride and got through with experience, though Keukeliere was definitely the stronger - Suspect Durbridge has upper body injuries after his crash - Bewley gave Durbridge his bike, Edmondson was active working for other riders, Docker and Mezgec were anonymous and Cort was disappointing - Orica is making progress in the cobbled classics.
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09 Apr 2017 16:53

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dirkprovin wrote:Was one very very long stint on the front by Haig yesterday; if nothing else an indication that he should be of solid utility in the mountains for whichever GT he may be sent to this year.

With regards to signing of young AUS riders for next year by ORS; much will depend on the turnover of riders.

I see the following as being in the likely or potential retirement category on age alone:

Tuft: near 100% certainty
Hayman: has to be a strong consideration although every chance of a one year extension
Gerrans: leaning strongly towards this being his final full season
Plaza: hard to know, His age has make it a strong consideration and at this pointm his retention is no sure thing
AlbasinI; suspect that he may be up for another 2 years given he is still capable of WT results. If he's wanting to continue, would expect team to accomodate

Others up for renewal:

Docker: probably needing some results to ensure his spot but a solid cobbles season has at least strengthened his case
Hepburn: similar to Docker with regards to needing results; some promising showings so far that have indicated potential wider utility than pure flatland draught horse. Not secure but neither is he out the door
Cort: likely to see some market interest but he has stated a preference for an English speaking team and will he consider himself better off elsewhere. Expect team will look to keep him
Bewley: no real results to speak of but he has clearly marked out a role as Chaves' protector on the flat. Most likely retain
Juul-Jensen: an essentially anonymous/invisible 2016 & probably needing a significant step up to retain his place. Top 10 at Strade Bianchi certainly a healthy step but still probably needs to mark out a clear role for himself within the team
Keukeleire: his 2nd at GW will most likely see some market interest but I'd frankly be surprised to see him leave given that he's so very much at home at this team and the team clearly value his versatility
Mezgec: signed primarily as a leadout for Ewan but has also proven capable of bringing in some results of his own and has some versatility. Maybe not 100% sure but leaning towards retain
Cheung Lok: unless there ARE some commercial reasons linked to his signing, at this point no cycling basis for his retention
Haig: his 2016 showings alone mark him as definite retain
Edmondson: essentially his neo pro year given 2016 basically a "wash" due to Olympic track but his cobbles showings plus indications of some sprinting ability suggest that ORS are most likely already preparing his contract extension
Power: will be given another 2 years to show something

In summation, I see a likely 2, potentially 3 vacancies coming from those at the potential retirement bracket. Maybe a turnover of 2 (but would be surprised if there are more than 3) from those others going off contract.

Of the the three young AUS climbers that have been touted, they may take 2 of them but I would be surprised if they sign all 3 at the one time. They may look at another young AUS rider but one doubts they would look at a pure sprinter given the change in team's focus.

Would have to think they will also have at least 2 overseas signings


I wonder if they announce later in the season that Gerrans will retire and move into a DS role after the 2018 TDU as his final race, wouldn't surprise me at all if something like that happened. Agree with most of what you've said here but I'd think with Albasini turning 37 by years end that he'd only get a 1 year extension instead of the 2 you suggested. I think Docker is safe unless something goes drastically wrong for the rest of the season, if they retain Keukeleire, Cort and already having Durbridge then they need solid Doms for that classics squad and Docker fits that purpose perfectly. Hepburn is an interesting one, he's showing positive signs this season so curious to see what his race program will be for the rest of the year, he's raced the last 2 editions of the Giro but do they send along this season with the bigger GC ambitions the team has.


Think that could possibly be a very real scenario with Gerrans. Not sure the timeframe re any DS role though.

Very possible re Albasini; it may end up being the case that the 2nd year is an "option".

Hepburn was part of Chaves' Giro squad last year and with Tuft now really showing his years/struggling to be effective; they're still going to need more than just Bewley for the hard graft role as he can't really be expected to cover all 3 GTs.
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12 Apr 2017 13:11

Durbridge broken ribs from his crash in PR - Out of the Ardennes.
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12 Apr 2017 15:49

yaco wrote:Durbridge broken ribs from his crash in PR - Out of the Ardennes.


Didn't think the Ardennes races would be his thing in any case but this may probably seem him out until Dauphine

Fair showing by Joker at Brabantse Pijl. Realistically he was chugging pretty hard on those hills and wasn't going to be fighting out the win but still worthy of credit. Another result on his scorecard, not going to hurt him come contract time. WILL be interesting to see his race program going forward and where he may fit in with GT line-ups
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12 Apr 2017 15:52

yaco wrote:Durbridge broken ribs from his crash in PR - Out of the Ardennes.


:(

That guy was having a pretty terrible birthday...
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12 Apr 2017 16:55

dirkprovin wrote:
yaco wrote:Durbridge broken ribs from his crash in PR - Out of the Ardennes.


Didn't think the Ardennes races would be his thing in any case but this may probably seem him out until Dauphine

Fair showing by Joker at Brabantse Pijl. Realistically he was chugging pretty hard on those hills and wasn't going to be fighting out the win but still worthy of credit. Another result on his scorecard, not going to hurt him come contract time. WILL be interesting to see his race program going forward and where he may fit in with GT line-ups


Broken ribs usually keeps riders out for 2 weeks - Think you've underestimated Joker - He's been a rock solid rider since joining Orica - I suspect he'll be in the TDF team - Go to the news.com website and listen to the weekly podcast ' The Three Domestiques' - Features Matt Keenan, Dan Jones and Sam Edmund described by Sam Bewley as the 'other guy' when referring to the podacst.
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12 Apr 2017 17:20

yaco wrote:
dirkprovin wrote:
yaco wrote:Durbridge broken ribs from his crash in PR - Out of the Ardennes.


Didn't think the Ardennes races would be his thing in any case but this may probably seem him out until Dauphine

Fair showing by Joker at Brabantse Pijl. Realistically he was chugging pretty hard on those hills and wasn't going to be fighting out the win but still worthy of credit. Another result on his scorecard, not going to hurt him come contract time. WILL be interesting to see his race program going forward and where he may fit in with GT line-ups


Broken ribs usually keeps riders out for 2 weeks - Think you've underestimated Joker - He's been a rock solid rider since joining Orica - I suspect he'll be in the TDF team - Go to the news.com website and listen to the weekly podcast ' The Three Domestiques' - Features Matt Keenan, Dan Jones and Sam Edmund described by Sam Bewley as the 'other guy' when referring to the podacst.


Sadly, the soundcard on my laptop has completely had the fritz so can't do so.

Am only saying that his 1st season WAS very very anonymous. Was at last years Tour but never saw him doing in any role. Certainly, he HAS started this season far better; maybe due to a 'friendlier" race schedule. Have little doubt that a top 10 at Strade Bianchi and here are not going to hurt his retention chances OR potential market value but I WILL be very looking closely to see what utility he proves at the Tour or whichever GT.
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12 Apr 2017 18:27

Well Juul-Jensen was preferred to Keukeliere for the final roster spot in the 2016 TDF - Chaves on the start list for Fleche Wallone - Wait and see.
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12 Apr 2017 20:38

yaco wrote:Orica will be disappointed with Keukeliere's untimely mechanical with 35kms to go - Looked one of the strongest riders at that time and probably would have made the final group of 6, Keukeliere must have suffered another mechanical or crashed because he finished 14 minutes behind - Hayman was a good ride and got through with experience, though Keukeliere was definitely the stronger - Suspect Durbridge has upper body injuries after his crash - Bewley gave Durbridge his bike, Edmondson was active working for other riders, Docker and Mezgec were anonymous and Cort was disappointing - Orica is making progress in the cobbled classics.


No reports on a second issue with Keukeliere, he punctured and it took a long time to get a wheel change and soft pedaled home, it's a pity as he was looking well on his way to his best Roubaix result but that's the luck of the draw on the Roubaix cobbles. Mitch Docker had a couple of falls during the race which is why he was anonymous, I'm just happy for the guy that he made it through the race and finished considering what happened to him in last years race.
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13 Apr 2017 04:41

StryderHells wrote:
yaco wrote:Orica will be disappointed with Keukeliere's untimely mechanical with 35kms to go - Looked one of the strongest riders at that time and probably would have made the final group of 6, Keukeliere must have suffered another mechanical or crashed because he finished 14 minutes behind - Hayman was a good ride and got through with experience, though Keukeliere was definitely the stronger - Suspect Durbridge has upper body injuries after his crash - Bewley gave Durbridge his bike, Edmondson was active working for other riders, Docker and Mezgec were anonymous and Cort was disappointing - Orica is making progress in the cobbled classics.


No reports on a second issue with Keukeliere, he punctured and it took a long time to get a wheel change and soft pedaled home, it's a pity as he was looking well on his way to his best Roubaix result but that's the luck of the draw on the Roubaix cobbles. Mitch Docker had a couple of falls during the race which is why he was anonymous, I'm just happy for the guy that he made it through the race and finished considering what happened to him in last years race.


Understanding that PR is one of those races in which many things can go wrong, this was one of the stranger editions of the race - According to Hayman, Keukeliere got a flat which was replaced by neutral service, was back in Hayman's group and then got another flat - He truly soft pedalled home.
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13 Apr 2017 04:58

yaco wrote:Well Juul-Jensen was preferred to Keukeliere for the final roster spot in the 2016 TDF - Chaves on the start list for Fleche Wallone - Wait and see.


Was judging on what he actually DID out there on the road .... and he really wasn't seen to any real effect.

Keukeleire has done Vuelta the past 2 seasons and finished 2016 particularly strongly; would expect that they'll look to go with what's proven to work if possible.

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Understanding that PR is one of those races in which many things can go wrong, this was one of the stranger editions of the race - According to Hayman, Keukeliere got a flat which was replaced by neutral service, was back in Hayman's group and then got another flat - He truly soft pedalled home.[/quote]

Yes, he was certainly showing the capacity to go with most of the moves. Whilst I suspect he'd really need to have all the planets line=up in order to win PR; it's far from out of the question that he could podium or at least top 5 at some point. As for RVV, at this point he currently looks the best suited of all ORS cobbles stock given he's stronger uphill than Durbridge (with usual disclaimer re youth with Edmondson & maybe still Cort); similar thoughts re his result potential.
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13 Apr 2017 17:34

The Orica CT squad has competed in two races in Italy

Lucas Hamilton 2nd and Robert Stannard 7th in the Trofeo Edil C and Robert Stannard 14th in the Trofeo Piva -Stannard goes ok for an 18 year old.
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18 Apr 2017 16:17

Lucas hamilton continues his good form - 2nd in Belvedere and Palio del Recioto - Will be in the WT in 2018.
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18 Apr 2017 16:23

yaco wrote:Lucas hamilton continues his good form - 2nd in Belvedere and Palio del Recioto - Will be in the WT in 2017.


He clearly isn't.
Unless you mean he could become a stagiare.
Unless-unless you meant 2018?
Of course he could become a stagiare in 2017, and then sign a full contract in 2018.
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18 Apr 2017 16:41

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yaco wrote:Lucas hamilton continues his good form - 2nd in Belvedere and Palio del Recioto - Will be in the WT in 2017.


He clearly isn't.
Unless you mean he could become a stagiare.
Unless-unless you meant 2018?
Of course he could become a stagiare in 2017, and then sign a full contract in 2018.


Should be 2018 - He could ride as a stagiare in 2017.
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Yesterday 18:33

Bewley and Howson to train with Chaves in Columbia next month - Lock them in for the TDF.
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Today 04:50

yaco wrote:Bewley and Howson to train with Chaves in Columbia next month - Lock them in for the TDF.

I thought that they would have the same race program as Chaves but it's good to see it confirmed. He'll have a strong team of friends around him for the TDF.
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