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Re: Most memorable doped perfomances?

17 May 2018 12:54

For me, it is Froome on Mt. Ventoux 2013 -- not for its greatness, but for its ridiculousness. I realize this thread might be intended to be restricted to performances in which doping was confirmed through a positive test or later admission by a rider -- which would technically exclude Froome's performance that day -- but come on. :)
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Re: Most memorable doped perfomances?

17 May 2018 14:55

JosephK wrote:For me, it is Froome on Mt. Ventoux 2013 -- not for its greatness, but for its ridiculousness. I realize this thread might be intended to be restricted to performances in which doping was confirmed through a positive test or later admission by a rider -- which would technically exclude Froome's performance that day -- but come on. :)

Any ridiculous performance is welcome in this thread regardless of proof. We consider the performance itself the proof! :D
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18 May 2018 11:16

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GuyIncognito wrote:Oh boy, I can think of quite a few blatant ones
Maybe if I can be bothered I'll type them out tomorrow


Every single case on this list caused disbelief. Every one staggered me. Every performance here made me audibly ask "WTF?" Be warned, all this is from memory so many of the dates/etc are likely to be wrong
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Basso - From top 10 GC contender at Fassa to Armstrong's main contender at CSC, to that ridiculous thing at the 2006 Giro. Even Simoni felt compelled to call him an "alien". When else have you seen such a thing? 2000 VAM at Monte Bondone? Nearly tying Ullrich in a 50km flat windy TT? Beating Zabriskie? Come on now...

Jose Enrique Gutierrez - 1,88m 78kg and from one day to the next suddenly climbing with Simoni.

Riis - From bland basic domestique for the flat stages at 28 to Tour winner at 32 with the highest w/kg ever recoded on a mountain finish

Pecharroman - Anonymous for years until suddenly he's toying with a talented field at the Euskal, then dropping even Heras at Catalunya (boredly commenting that he expected an even bigger gap!) and then disappears forever.

Kashechkin - Vinokourov's pet project to create a clone of himself

Rumsas - He would've beaten Armstrong in that Tour TT if his bike hadn't broken. Hell, he won a monument.

Perdiguero - Oh boy that Volta Catalunya he won. Bunch sprint? Win. TT? Win. Mountains? Win. Up to that week he'd been about the level Jesus Herrada is now, a good unspectacular rider.

Mayo - That April 2003 to June 2004 period was hilarious to watch. Then Armstrong called the UCI to rein it in and never again...

Aitor Gonzalez - Yet another sudden transformation

Colom - Suddenly discovered new powers in his 30s, beating Contador on the climbs. If he hadn't tested positive he'd have probably contended for GTs

Wiggins - At 29 he goes from a nobody who couldn't climb a speedbump and celebrated finishing only a few minutes behind in TTs, to outclimbing the best and winning TTs by minutes. Pull the other one.

Leipheimer - Another one who suddenly realized he had talent at nearly 30

Hincapie - From sprinter to classics rider to climber? What? Kelly and Jalabert did it before, but they actually had quite some climbing talent as youngsters. Hincapie was a pure sprinter, whole different kettle of fish.

Horner - Not good enough to hold a pro contract in europe at 28, wins the Vuelta at 42? Doing the same time up Angliru in the wet that peak Contador did in the dry?

Kim Andersen - The record holder for positive tests. In a time when almost nobody tested positive and nobody cared and the suspension was usually "you're relegated to the back of the bunch on that stage, try not to dope for the next stage". Not even booted from the race, much less suspended. In those days this guy tested positive so many times that eventually he was given a long term suspension. In the eighties!

The entire 2008 CSF Navigare squad - Sella climbing like Pantani to come back from 24 minutes down on GC to 2 before the TT. Priamo winning a stage. Baliani in every break

Chioccioli - Career bottom of top 10 climber is suddenly Charly Gaul, winning queen stages solo from 50km out, winning 60km flat TTs

Furlan - That 3 year stretch there was something else. Then he fell off a cliff

Gabriele Colombo - Still the fastest ascent of the Poggio ever. Even with a tailwind modern riders can't come close. Also promptly fell off a cliff like most on this list

Frattini - Went on a tear for a brief time, then faded to obscurity

Ugrumov - Another career bottom of the top 10 climber, 8th in the Giro here, 9th in the Vuelta there. Then in his 30s he's suddenly putting Indurain against the ropes. Not just the 93 Giro, but especially the 94 Tour's Alps where he does exactly what Sella would do 15 years later. He put over 3 minutes into Indurain in the Morzine time trial after days of being in breaks, what on earth?

Pascal Herve - That day on the Izoard would've been funny if it wasn't so shocking. He wasn't a bad climber, but was more of a punchy guy for short climbs. We're all riveted watching Pantani vs Armstrong when 36 year old Pascal catches them, goes "oh hi there" and drops them.....drops....Pantani and Armstrong....in the mountains

Dufaux @ Romandie 98 - Braking for corners going up a mountain isn't even remotely normal

Since we're discussing Festina. I know they're an easy target, but I remember a mountain stage in 97 when the group was down to 15 riders or so and every Festina was still there except for the one who was sick, Laukka, who until then had been climbing with the top 5 (another one hit wonder who later didn't do anything elsewhere)

The Saunier squad over a few years (Cobo, de la Fuente, Zaballa, Piepoli, Riccò, Perdiguero, Gil, Marchante) - Where do I even begin?

Froome - Just edges out Pecharroman and Armstrong for the most ridiculous transformation the sport has ever seen. This out of contract guy who Sky are letting go because he is simply terrible at everything, suddenly becomes the best rider on the planet. Just overnight. From getting dropped by the sprinters at the Tour of Poland to thrashing everyone at the Vuelta. A modern miracle, no doubt.

Marcelino García - 1998 early season. Never to be repeated.

Sergey Kolesnikov - Those 2006 results, eh? For 6 months as a 19/20 year old, wins basically every race, then does nothing for the rest of his career.

Mikhail Ignatiev - Like Kolesnikov and to a lesser extent Moreno Moser, Ignatiev started his pro career like a bat out of hell. Was rumoured to be called to attention over his blood values. Fell off a proverbial cliff.

Francesco Ginanni - See Ignatiev. This one took arguably even further.

W52 these last few years (Veloso, Alarcon) - Put them in the World Tour, they'd win the whole thing

Nozal - If in 2008 he was caught on EPO and wasn't riding for toffee, what on earth was he on in 2003??? He won the TT by 1m20s on some of the world's best who were loaded with EPO.

Fran Perez - That 2003 early season was funny as hell. Went down the wrong road and lost the win? No problem, just drop everyone again the next day

De Bonis - All day in the break. Gets caught. Drops them again to win. Truly Gerolsteiner's test mule for the 2008 Tour

Santi Perez - From mediocre climber to best climber in the race to winning a fast flat TT. Screw drugs, how is it even physically possible?

LA MSS circa 2003 and again in 2008 - Shades of Gewiss 94. The way they toyed with the field in Asturias

Europcar 2011 (Kern, Voeckler) - Kern did nothing before or since in his career, but that Dauphiné he won in the mountains and finished 6th. Also won the french TT championships by 2 minutes on Péraud, Coppel, etc. Then Voeckler would've won the Tour if not for a tactical blunder on Alpe d'Huez.

Gerolsteiner - Schumacher and Kohl may have been obvious, but Fothen was the prototypical fast donkey and let's not ignore Lang

Gonchar 2006 Tour - As ridiculous as Landis was, he couldn't come within a minute of Gonchar in either TT

Wesemann Amstel 2006 and Cancellara Worlds 2009 - Two guys unsuited to such hilly courses who both were hilariously strong those days and both threw away easy wins by being tactically stupid. Those two performances were so far beyond believable I can only laugh

Cancellara July 2008 - "Oh look, I can suddenly climb mountains for the first and only time never to be repeated". Dropping climbers on the Croix-de-fer...

Jaskula - 3rd place in a stacked Tour de France field. Unrepeated again.

Halupczok - Barely any results in the amateur ranks until the time the first guys get on EPO. Suddenly he's the best amateur in the world and world champion. Turns pro. Immediately up there fighting for the Giro win as a neo-pro when he suddenly and mysteriously quits the race. Returns to anonymity. By the end of the season he's retired at age 22. Shortly after that he's dead of a heart attack

The entire Cofidis team at the 98 Tour - If Casagrande hadn't crashed out he'd have won that Tour. Bet on it. He was flying. Rinero and Julich weren't nearly on the same level and finished 5th and 3rd. Bobby freaking Julich finished 3rd. Hell, a nothing rider like Rinero still has the record for the fastest climb of the Tourmalet.

Luttenberger - Another shooting star. Wins the Tour de Suisse, 5th at the Tour de France, then....nothing. Just another one in the line of Carrera's Pantani clones like Zaina or Poulnikov

Garcia Quesada - Prototypical Fuentes special

Mercatone Uno - Especially at the 98 Giro final TT. Sprinters and climbers beating the specialists in a TT. That day Pantani really went all out on the EPO and screw the consequences. Then came the blood sample switching story

Murilo Fischer - Look at his 2005. Just look at it.

Jonathan Tiernan-Locke - The question "Where did Pecharroman go?" was finally answered. He was reborn as an englishman with an unpleasant personality

Lotto 2011 - Vdb takes the only win of his career, Vanendert not only learns to climb but wins a major Tdf mountain stage, Gilbert has the most ridiculous season anyone's likely to see anytime soon which he of course won't ever come close to repeating

Clement L'Hottelerie - That one early season madness. Then nothing. Then positive.

Johnny Hoogerland - He was all over every kind of race. Then was tested 3 times in a week, realized they were on to him, and never performed again. As the team doctor later said, he was pumped to the gills on doses obscenely large even for that team.

Andrey Zintchenko - Mediocre roleur, then wins 3 stages in one Vuelta, mountains included.

Melchor Mauri - After several grand tours with a best finish of 71st he won the Vuelta by gaining minutes on Indurain during TTs and defending in the mountains. Then the rest of the world caught up and he never threatened a GT podium again. Let that sink in, gaining minutes in Indurain in TTs. Indurain won the Tour de France that year.

Mauro Gianetti - At age 30 his palmares is nothing. Then EPO comes along and along with several other good results he ends his career with an Amstel win and a Liége win plus a Worlds silver. His career and life almost ended by doping with too much PFC and being rushed to the hospital with a flatlining heartbeat

Andrea Ferrigato - From mediocre he suddenly moves up about 5 levels in performance to win classics for half a season and almost win the World Cup based on that one season alone. Then at the end of the season the UCI institutes the 50% red blood cell limit and he goes back to being anonymous

Frank Vandenbroucke - In one season he won Het Volk, would've won Paris-Nice if not for of a wind split, 2nd in Flanders again only due to bad luck with a crash, won LBL, 7th in Roubaix (a guy who weighed only 65kg!!!) and was the strongest rider in the Vuelta, leading to among other things the infamous day on Navalmoral. Then he finished with the elite front group in a hilly world championships riding with two broken wrists. All this while missing a chunk of the season to a doping investigation.

It was pants on head retarded how strong he was. Years later his Cofidis teammates explain why: He and his friend Phillippe Gaumont went much further than anyone else dared with drug use. They reaped a huge performance advantage from it but their bodies couldn't take it. A year later they couldn't perform anymore and now they're both dead of heart attacks at young ages.
After reading this post, I looked at wiki for more info about Halupczok but it says 'The autopsy has shown that he has not died of a heart attack.' and
'Professor Romuald Lewicki from Zakład Medycyny Sportowej WAM in Lodz (Institute of Sports Medicine) claims that Halupczok's cardiac arrhythmia was genetic because his father and son suffer from the same condition.'
I am curious about it so just asking, is the heart attack thing your assumption or was it on the news?
Then again there aren't any references to these sentences there.

Excellent list btw.
I think it's the sign of a clean rider and a real sportsman to be attracted to the bigger challenge over the ultimate result. Good luck with the Giro/Tour double, Chris Froome. -Phil Gaimon
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18 May 2018 18:31

It's been years so I can't recall any sources, but it was reported as a heart attack back then.
Looking at the wikipedia edit history, that's been changed recently. It used to say

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Joachim_Halupczok.html

In fact, just google "Joachim Halupczok death" and google replies with "heart attack"

This may be due to some confusion between the terms "heart failure" and "heart attack"
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18 May 2018 19:29

GuyIncognito wrote:It's been years so I can't recall any sources, but it was reported as a heart attack back then.
Looking at the wikipedia edit history, that's been changed recently. It used to say

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Joachim_Halupczok.html

In fact, just google "Joachim Halupczok death" and google replies with "heart attack"

This may be due to some confusion between the terms "heart failure" and "heart attack"

Ah, thanks. Probably one of the first users of EPO and his death is looking like because of EPO.
Dying at 26 is way too young. :(
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19 May 2018 18:25

Looks like we have another entry to the list.
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19 May 2018 20:12

DanielSong39 wrote:Looks like we have another entry to the list.


Dawg wants the Top 10 most doped up performances :rolleyes:
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19 May 2018 20:45

Any performance by Wonderboy
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20 May 2018 01:33

DanielSong39 wrote:Looks like we have another entry to the list.

No, this was a run-of-the-mill performance. Don't be so sensationalistic.
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Re: Most memorable doped perfomances?

20 May 2018 08:34

JosephK wrote:For me, it is Froome on Mt. Ventoux 2013 -- not for its greatness, but for its ridiculousness. I realize this thread might be intended to be restricted to performances in which doping was confirmed through a positive test or later admission by a rider -- which would technically exclude Froome's performance that day -- but come on. :)


+1 The sitting attack was something else. I remember walking away from the TV. It didn`t look real. Froome always look as he doesn`t belong with the other contenders. The geometry of his bike is that of a sportive rider and his saddle height is too low and he spins @ 120 rpm. Even armstrong looked like he could ride a bike.
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20 May 2018 08:45

hrotha wrote:
DanielSong39 wrote:Looks like we have another entry to the list.

No, this was a run-of-the-mill performance. Don't be so sensationalistic.

I'd say the context makes it at least up there with Nibali's comeback. Depending on the rest of the race, it could end up topping all of his Tour wins, only getting 2nd behind his breakout performance in the Vuelta.
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20 May 2018 09:39

Well yeah, if he wins the race or gets close to it I can see it. But he was only a bit better than everyone else with a late attack on a climb that usually creates big gaps. It's no big deal yet, for Froome's ridiculous standards.
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20 May 2018 09:44

The Sky team received their e-bikes just in time; there isn't much else to say.
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20 May 2018 11:43

DanielSong39 wrote:The Sky team received their e-bikes just in time; there isn't much else to say.


Sky better sack their supplier - A product that gives a 6 second advantage is a waste of money.
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20 May 2018 13:40

hrotha wrote:Well yeah, if he wins the race or gets close to it I can see it. But he was only a bit better than everyone else with a late attack on a climb that usually creates big gaps. It's no big deal yet, for Froome's ridiculous standards.

In relative terms, as in within this race, yes. In historical terms, he climbed zoncolan really really fast. Much faster than Basso for instance.
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20 May 2018 14:34

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20 May 2018 14:41

Watching one, right now.
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20 May 2018 14:55

PhiLiz wrote:Watching one, right now.


This is ridiculous indeed, but at least he doesn't look ugly on a bike :D
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20 May 2018 15:02

Well, this was........definitely something
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20 May 2018 15:05

If he continues to dominate next week... that would be unreal.
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