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What do you think about Alpe D'Huez in the Giro?

Awesome!
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12%
Great news
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23%
Not that awesome compared to other italian climbs
78
44%
Will be the warm-up before the real mountains
16
9%
Will be considered as a flat stage by RCS
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11%
 
Total votes : 177

31 May 2011 10:24

just some guy wrote:will Alpe D'Huez be a stage or MTT ?

I remember they wrote "MTF" but I'm not 100% sure
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31 May 2011 10:33

Regarding Alpe d'Huez I voted "not that awesome compared to other italian climbs" which definitely is true solely based on difficulty, but on the other hand I also think it's "great news" as the Alpe is perhaps the best knows climb and could help promote the Giro quite a bit outside Italy I think.

I too agree that Monte Zoncolan should be omitted next year. Don't get me wrong, I think it's an awesome mountain, but in my opinion it would start losing some of it's mythical status if they used it every year.

Oh and since I'm danish I of course can't wait till next years start in Denmark! :D

A few more facts:

Stage 1 will be an ITT with a distance between 7 and 12 kilometers.
Stage 2 and 3 will be between 180 and 195 kilometers each.

The races starts may 5th and the first rest day will be may 8th as they are transfering to Italy.
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31 May 2011 10:50

For 2011 it was rumoured this amazing stage
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The climbs are Passo Mt. Giovo, Passo Pennes, Auna di Sopra, Passo delle Erbe, Passo Furcia, Riomolino. 240 Km (!)
It would be nice if they'll put it in 2012:)
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31 May 2011 10:51

Hugo Koblet wrote:A few more facts:
Stage 1 will be an ITT with a distance between 7 and 12 kilometers.
Stage 2 and 3 will be between 180 and 195 kilometers each.

Thanks for that
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31 May 2011 10:56

Eshnar wrote:Here you have it
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Stelvio - Mortirolo - Gavia?

Would be an amazing descent finish.
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31 May 2011 11:00

Ferminal wrote:Stelvio - Mortirolo - Gavia?

Would be an amazing descent finish.

exactly ;)
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31 May 2011 11:02

Whats this discussion about Zoncolan.

Of course they wont include it. Usually it would undergo 3 or 4 years in the wilderness thought they might bring it back for 100th edition celebrations.

Eshnar wrote:Here you have it
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Too much flat between Stelvio and Mortirolo imo. Same after Mortirolo. I think they wouldnt race up either thereby wasting both mountains imo.

It would make Gavia trickier but they have those snow problems and broadcast problems and what not and they didnt race up it last time.

If you want early climbs to do some damage, make em like 15 this year, hard, steep but not the TDF mistake of putting Tourmalet 80km from the finish. Personally i would prefer to see Mortirolo and Stelvio being used not neccesarily as mtf's but max 30km from the finish kom.

just some guy wrote:will Alpe D'Huez be a stage or MTT ?


I think it will be a stage seeing as they are remembering Coppi's victory there 60 years ago.
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31 May 2011 11:08

a tuscan strade bianchi stage

and crostis


more of the hard/technical sprinters stages with a bump at the end (ventuso and gatto stages as examples)

kronplatz would be nice

a 40-45km TT
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31 May 2011 11:10

with regards to the alpe, cool but............. i don't like the idea that the giro might be looking for name recognition with july fans. i certainly wouldn't want it to be a habit. there's no shortage of mountains in italy so borrowing legendary tdf climbs might devalue the giro brand.
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31 May 2011 11:11

Eshnar wrote:Why not a stage with Stelvio - Mortirolo - Gavia then?:D


Way too much false flat for my liking, like The Hitch said.

Gavia (2600m) + Stelvio (2750m) + Kleinboden/Schafseck (2250m) = murder. 3 brutal climbs and hardly any flat. You know a GC rider will attack in the descent of the Stelvio, if not before. Almost guaranteed.
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31 May 2011 11:11

They are doing it to celebrate Coppi's 1952 victory, not for name recognition or something bogus like that.
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31 May 2011 11:12

as a one off it's a great idea. just wouldn't want it to become a habit
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31 May 2011 11:15

I definitely think we will see the Monte Crostis next year. Too many people want it for it not to happen.

I'm all up for another climb up the Zoncolan. Screw this mythical crap and ride. If you don't want to see it, don't watch it.
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31 May 2011 11:16

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:Way too much false flat for my liking, like The Hitch said.

Gavia (2600m) + Stelvio (2750m) + Kleinboden/Schafseck (2250m) = murder. 3 brutal climbs and hardly any flat. You know a GC rider will attack in the descent of the Stelvio, if not before. Almost guaranteed.

Agreed for the false flats.
I don't like the Gavia-Stelvio-Kleinboden because that would mean using the easy side of the Stelvio, which I see as a waste (they climb it rarely, at least use the proper side)
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31 May 2011 11:24

They should do Mortirolo, Gavia, Umbrail and Stelvio. That way they get all the climbs from the 'right' side. (Except maybe for umbrail.)
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31 May 2011 11:30

Magnus wrote:They should do Mortirolo, Gavia, Umbrail and Stelvio. That way they get all the climbs from the 'right' side. (Except maybe for umbrail.)

This way they should do the Umbrail's unsurfaced side going down:p
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31 May 2011 11:32

It will be interesting how they do the Alpe stage, would be good to see them make it tougher than the Tour usually do. I guess it will be on the 3rd weekend, probably the Sunday.
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31 May 2011 11:35

Eshnar wrote:This way they should do the Umbrail's unsurfaced side going down:p


It's only for a few km...
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31 May 2011 11:36

Ferminal wrote:It will be interesting how they do the Alpe stage, would be good to see them make it tougher than the Tour usually do.

The more likely route (imho) should be this one
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Agnello, Izoard, Lautaret, Alpe
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31 May 2011 11:36

Ferminal wrote:It will be interesting how they do the Alpe stage, would be good to see them make it tougher than the Tour usually do.


Glandon is probably the nearest big climb to Alpe d'Huez and it's still almost 40k from the top of Glandon to the start of the climb. Even the Giro can't fix that.
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