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24 Jun 2011 10:26

http://www.igmarkets.co.uk/procyclingindex

I think from what I'm seeing it's a rolling ranking like the old UCI (now CQ) one.

1 GILBERT Philippe BEL OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 10632 58 5998
2 CONTADOR Alberto ESP SAXO BANK - SUNGARD 10125 61 5115
3 CANCELLARA Fabian SUI LEOPARD - TREK 14696 87 3189
4 CAVENDISH Mark GBR HTC - HIGHROAD 15836 95 2923
5 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin ESP KATUSHA Team 15503 92 2909
6 MARTIN Tony GER HTC - HIGHROAD 11280 72 2833
7 SCARPONI Michele ITA LAMPRE - ISD 7159 41 2790
8 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA LIQUIGAS - CANNONDALE 10179 57 2626
9 GESINK Robert NED RABOBANK 10103 60 2599
10 FARRAR Tyler USA TEAM GARMIN - CERVÉLO 15663 92 2444
11 GOSS Matthew AUS HTC - HIGHROAD 11677 72 2277
12 SCHLECK Andy LUX LEOPARD - TREK 12193 73 2157
13 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel ESP EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 9822 58 2137
14 MARTIN Dan IRL TEAM GARMIN - CERVÉLO 10451 64 2083
15 HUSHOVD Thor NOR TEAM GARMIN - CERVÉLO 12901 74 2035
16 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC Racing Team 9034 54 1986
17 PETACCHI Alessandro ITA LAMPRE - ISD 10634 59 1881
18 BOASSON HAGEN Edvald NOR SKY Procycling 11675 67 1858
19 VOECKLER Thomas FRA TEAM EUROPCAR 12773 77 1720
20 KLÖDEN Andreas GER Team RADIOSHACK 10309 66 1684
BYOP88 wrote:Great to see that Porte has rediscovered his 2010/11 climbing form. Hope he can keep it for the rest of the Tour and year.
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24 Jun 2011 10:29

How the Index Works

The IG Markets Pro Cycling Index is designed to reward both moments of brilliance and months of consistent performance.
We source results from over 100 top international road races throughout the season. Races are ranked by our expert panel, based on their prestige and their importance to cycling fans.
The IG Markets Pro Cycling Index has a number of features that make it unique:

  • Wins carry much greater weight and are rewarded more than placings.
  • Bonus points are awarded for multiple victories in the top races, winning the most prestigious stages at the Grand Tours or outstanding efforts during the Tour de France.
  • A Rider of the Day is selected by the panel daily during the Tour de France.
  • The Rider of the Month award is an ongoing regular feature.
Scoring system
http://www.igmarkets.co.uk/content/files/Scoring%20System%20-%20Race%20Types.pdf
Race weight:
http://www.igmarkets.co.uk/content/files/Race%20Tiers.pdf
Rider bonus system
http://www.igmarkets.co.uk/content/files/Scoring%20System%20-%20Bonuses.pdf
BYOP88 wrote:Great to see that Porte has rediscovered his 2010/11 climbing form. Hope he can keep it for the rest of the Tour and year.
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24 Jun 2011 10:38

Second tier races:

E3 Prijs Vlaanderen, Ghent-Wevelgem, Amstel Gold, Flèche Wallone, Clásica San Sebastian, Paris-Tours, Omloop Het Nieuwsblad, Strade Bianche Eroica, GP Ouest-France, World Championship Time Trial, Olympic Time Trial.


What's Strade Bianche doing there? I like the race, but in prestige and certainly in the field that participates there's no comparison to the Omloop or Amstel Gold.

Another interesting thing is Dan Martin in 14th, ahead of Cadel Evans, to name just one. How is that possible?
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24 Jun 2011 10:50

I also like this one

Tier Two 80% of scoring system points
Grand Tours: giro d’italia.
Stage races: eneco tour, Volta a catalunya, tour de romandie, tour of california, Vuelta a Burgos,
tour Down Under, tour of poland

:o
BYOP88 wrote:Great to see that Porte has rediscovered his 2010/11 climbing form. Hope he can keep it for the rest of the Tour and year.
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24 Jun 2011 11:06

[color="White"].......................................[/color]IG CQ
GILBERT Philippe [color="White"] ........[/color]1[color="White"]...[/color]2
CONTADOR Alberto [color="White"] ....[/color]2[color="White"]...[/color]1
CANCELLARA Fabian 3 7
CAVENDISH Mark 4 10
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 5 3
MARTIN Tony 6 8
SCARPONI Michele 7 5
NIBALI Vincenzo 8 4
GESINK Robert 9 9
FARRAR Tyler 10 11
GOSS Matthew 11 15
SCHLECK Andy 12 12
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 13 6
MARTIN Dan 14 22
HUSHOVD Thor 15 25
EVANS Cadel 16 19
PETACCHI Alessandro 17 26
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 18 16
VOECKLER Thomas 19 13
KLÖDEN Andreas 20 24

VINOKOUROV Alexandre 21 20
...
FEILLU Romain 24 14
CUNEGO Damiano 27 18
VISCONTI Giovanni 37 17



I tried to line stuff up but was way too much hassle, you get the idea anyway. If there's a quick way, I'd appreciate knowing how...
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24 Jun 2011 11:12

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:I also like this one

Tier Two 80% of scoring system points
Grand Tours: giro d’italia.
Stage races: eneco tour, Volta a catalunya, tour de romandie, tour of california, Vuelta a Burgos,
tour Down Under, tour of poland

:o

I don't think that's an unreasonable rating... would you have scaled the Eneco Tour higher than the ToC? If there's an odd one out, it would be the Vuelta a Burgos IMO. For the same reason as the Strade Bianche: nice race, but not such a strong field. The same could be said about the ToC, but the American teams really go for that one.
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24 Jun 2011 11:34

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:http://www.igmarkets.co.uk/procyclingindex

I think from what I'm seeing it's a rolling ranking like the old UCI (now CQ) one.

1 GILBERT Philippe BEL OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 10632 58 5998
2 CONTADOR Alberto ESP SAXO BANK - SUNGARD 10125 61 5115
3 CANCELLARA Fabian SUI LEOPARD - TREK 14696 87 3189
4 CAVENDISH Mark GBR HTC - HIGHROAD 15836 95 2923
5 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin ESP KATUSHA Team 15503 92 2909
6 MARTIN Tony GER HTC - HIGHROAD 11280 72 2833
7 SCARPONI Michele ITA LAMPRE - ISD 7159 41 2790
8 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA LIQUIGAS - CANNONDALE 10179 57 2626
9 GESINK Robert NED RABOBANK 10103 60 2599
10 FARRAR Tyler USA TEAM GARMIN - CERVÉLO 15663 92 2444
11 GOSS Matthew AUS HTC - HIGHROAD 11677 72 2277
12 SCHLECK Andy LUX LEOPARD - TREK 12193 73 2157
13 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel ESP EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 9822 58 2137
14 MARTIN Dan IRL TEAM GARMIN - CERVÉLO 10451 64 2083
15 HUSHOVD Thor NOR TEAM GARMIN - CERVÉLO 12901 74 2035
16 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC Racing Team 9034 54 1986
17 PETACCHI Alessandro ITA LAMPRE - ISD 10634 59 1881
18 BOASSON HAGEN Edvald NOR SKY Procycling 11675 67 1858
19 VOECKLER Thomas FRA TEAM EUROPCAR 12773 77 1720
20 KLÖDEN Andreas GER Team RADIOSHACK 10309 66 1684


I find this ranking super weird. there are so many riders who are so weirdly positioned
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24 Jun 2011 11:37

CQ = better.
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24 Jun 2011 11:43

dlwssonic wrote:I find this ranking super weird. there are so many riders who are so weirdly positioned


Yeah I agree. I would of thought a 2nd place at ATOC and 1st at TOS surely levi should be in the top 20.
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24 Jun 2011 11:46

Captain_Cavman wrote:[color="White"].......................................[/color]IG CQ
GILBERT Philippe [color="White"] ........[/color]1[color="White"]...[/color]2
CONTADOR Alberto [color="White"] ....[/color]2[color="White"]...[/color]1
CANCELLARA Fabian 3 7
CAVENDISH Mark 4 10
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 5 3
MARTIN Tony 6 8
SCARPONI Michele 7 5
NIBALI Vincenzo 8 4
GESINK Robert 9 9
FARRAR Tyler 10 11
GOSS Matthew 11 15
SCHLECK Andy 12 12
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 13 6
MARTIN Dan 14 22
HUSHOVD Thor 15 25
EVANS Cadel 16 19
PETACCHI Alessandro 17 26
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 18 16
VOECKLER Thomas 19 13
KLÖDEN Andreas 20 24

VINOKOUROV Alexandre 21 20
...
FEILLU Romain 24 14
CUNEGO Damiano 27 18
VISCONTI Giovanni 37 17



I tried to line stuff up but was way too much hassle, you get the idea anyway. If there's a quick way, I'd appreciate knowing how...


Be careful. The CQ ranking has the continual ranking and the ranking for each separate year so be careful when comparing the two.
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24 Jun 2011 11:47

Midnightfright wrote:Yeah I agree. I would of thought a 2nd place at ATOC and 1st at TOS surely levi should be in the top 20.

It's a rolling year ranking.
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24 Jun 2011 11:49

So does mean its last years ranking or ranking from say last years tour to the national championships this year? Because then u would still expect him to be there, unless its just a little behind. Sorry for my ignorance.
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24 Jun 2011 11:50

taiwan wrote:CQ = better.


No doubt. You can't even see where the riders got their points in this ranking.

And CQ isn't just a ranking, it's pretty much a database of all cycling results since they started the site.

They make some really weird choices in this ranking, like the bonus points:
Can riders earn bonuses?
Yes, there are three ways riders can earn bonuses:
By winning multiple stages in a Grand Tour or Stage Race
By being awarded Rider of the Day or Month by our expert panel
By winning certain multiple prestigious races in the same year - for a detailed explanation see full breakdown of the bonuses available here (PDF, 505k)
By winning a queen stage at the Tour de France. For 2011 our expert panel have chosen stages 1, 14, 18 and 21.


To be honest, the first two points seem to have been invented to give Cavendish more points. And I'm not quite sure why stage 1 and 21 are queen stages (well, 21 probably to get Cavendish a little higher in the ranking). I really don't like a ranking that uses an 'expert panel' in the first place. Makes it too subjective. And some of those bonus points seem a bit redundant. If someone wins to GT's in one year, he will get a metric ton of points anyway, why give him more bonus points?
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24 Jun 2011 11:52

Midnightfright wrote:So does mean its last years ranking or ranking from say last years tour to the national championships this year? Because then u would still expect him to be there, unless its just a little behind. Sorry for my ignorance.

I imagine it's June 24 2010-June 23 2011 or something like that. This ranking tries to reward panache so it's no wonder Levi is penalized compared to a pure results-based ranking like CQ.
Lanark wrote:No doubt. You can't even see where the riders got their points in this ranking.

The FAQ says they're working on that.
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24 Jun 2011 11:53

Lanark wrote:No doubt. You can't even see where the riders got their points in this ranking.

And CQ isn't just a ranking, it's pretty much a database of all cycling results since they started the site.

They make some really weird choices in this ranking, like the bonus points:


To be honest, the first two points seem to have been invented to give Cavendish more points. And I'm not quite sure why stage 1 and 21 are queen stages (well, 21 probably to get Cavendish a little higher in the ranking). I really don't like a ranking that uses an 'expert panel' in the first place. Makes it too subjective. And some of those bonus points seem a bit redundant. If someone wins to GT's in one year, he will get a metric ton of points anyway, why give him more bonus points?


I think to say that they would be invented for cav is quite cynical. I don't think he is quite that highly regarded.
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24 Jun 2011 11:54

Doesnt look good.

They got the world number 1 totaly wrong for a start.
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24 Jun 2011 11:55

Midnightfright wrote:So does mean its last years ranking or ranking from say last years tour to the national championships this year? Because then u would still expect him to be there, unless its just a little behind. Sorry for my ignorance.


This.

Also looking at his results last year from July he would have scored a few IGM points for Tour stages and some for the US TT (not sure if it's included). Not a lot basically.

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=84&year=2010&all=0¤t=0
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24 Jun 2011 11:56

The British bias would also explain the high rating of Strade Bianche, which seems to be a big race among British fans (bigger than among Northern European fans, for instance).
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24 Jun 2011 11:57

hrotha wrote:I imagine it's June 24 2010-June 23 2011 or something like that. This ranking tries to reward panache so it's no wonder Levi is penalized compared to a pure results-based ranking like CQ.

The FAQ says they're working on that.


So does mean stage wins are more highly regarded? Because thinking about it I would expect his win at the dauphine would sneak wiggans in as well. It would certainly make more sense. I personally wouldn't put to much stock in panache or aggression, its certainly more interesting to watch but has doesn't necessarily have anything to do with success or achievements
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Midnightfright wrote:I personally wouldn't put to much stock in panache or aggression, its certainly more interesting to watch but has doesn't necessarily have anything to do with success or achievements

But we already have CQ to do that.
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