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10 May 2013 22:56

I got nothing against quigley, even though he talks about wiggins all the time.

Im ok with constant stupid mistakes like saying that wiggins teammates henao and urtasun are coming back to help him.

What i cant take though is when dan lloyd is interviewing benat intxausti in Spanish, and Quigley starts talking over it, by making up what inxausti is saying because he cant speak Spanish. Either translate it or dont, but dont spoil the whole interview by making up generic crap.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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11 May 2013 07:03

Kirby / Lloyd streets ahead of Quigley / Kelly for stage 7's finale. The latter pair were unable to pick out Nibali pretty much from after his sliding tumble, to the point that they were speculating if he'd been dropped from the Evans group. Ok, it's Dan Lloyd, not Carlton, but superb analysis as always from DL. DQ perhaps needs a stronger partner, i.e. Magnus on Milan-Sanremo, though as I have said before, I've enjoyed Sean's contributions a lot this Giro.
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Declan

11 May 2013 08:49

Quigley is doing 3 hours of great commentary with Kelly. The reason Kelly is more vocal this race is because he is being asked sensible and informative questions...unlike Harmon who would ask him if he liked the Sky kit this season.

Quigley explains what is happening in the race and WHY. When Cameron Wurf dropped off the breakaway the other day and was seen putting bottles in his back pockets, Quigley explained why.

Kelly actually enjoys talking with Quigley because he is talking to someone wwith some knowledge.
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11 May 2013 21:38

Declan Quigley is an Clown and Tool of the highest order. he's fast reaching Sherwin and Liggett proportions. Ruining and otherwise fantastic Giro.
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11 May 2013 21:54

the asian wrote:Declan Quigley is an Clown and Tool of the highest order. he's fast reaching Sherwin and Liggett proportions. Ruining and otherwise fantastic Giro.

I use rai and/or sporza. Much better. (even though I don't understand a single word of what they say :o)
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11 May 2013 22:06

Netserk wrote:I use rai and/or sporza. Much better. (even though I don't understand a single word of what they say :o)


Same here. They're good at recognising riders which is all I really care about.
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11 May 2013 23:33

The problem with commentators is they have to watch the race at the finishing line on a small television :o So it's very difficult for them to recognize the riders. Even at Sporza I see things a lot quicker than them most of the times. At Dutch Eurosport I think the commentary now is pretty good, but still they have difficulties to recognize them (although they're not in Italy, but somewhere in Amsterdam).
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12 May 2013 00:19

the asian wrote:Declan Quigley is an Clown and Tool of the highest order. he's fast reaching Sherwin and Liggett proportions. Ruining and otherwise fantastic Giro.


...And I always thought Harmon was going to be difficult to match on Wiggo's man love but Quingley has set the bar even higher.....

Sad to hear Kelly putting up with that BS & getting punished by those clowns stupidity
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12 May 2013 07:20

l.Harm wrote:The problem with commentators is they have to watch the race at the finishing line on a small television :o So it's very difficult for them to recognize the riders. Even at Sporza I see things a lot quicker than them most of the times. At Dutch Eurosport I think the commentary now is pretty good, but still they have difficulties to recognize them (although they're not in Italy, but somewhere in Amsterdam).


1. Declan Quigley is not on site** so I'm sure the set-up at Eurosport HQ far outdoes what is available at the finish-line.

2. Here's a link that shows the set up that the commentators who *are* at the finishing line have (inside those silver pods)... ok it's not a 40" HD screen, but it's hardly like watching on your phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSHAU27uIcA

Anyway, yesterday was a disaster for DQ and SK. SK in particular didn't seem to grasp the way the time splits were working, and at one point was asking to go back to find out what Nibali's split was, despite it having been shown. There was also the point when one of the riders was going up the final climb and with 100m to go and 10 seconds left to beat Dowsett, he was apparently going to go into the lead? Neither worked out it was taking approx 2 minutes to do that last 700m. Hesjedal went into the last km practically on Dowsett's time yet both SK and DQ were discussing whether he'd made up enough time since the first split to catch him, just as Wiggins had done...

I'm off to watch CK and DL to see how they called it. I've got a sneaky feeling they might have done a better job.

**(on the assumption that he made no personal reference to the flood outside the comms box on stage 4, hasn't talked about anything so far that refers to being in Italy on the road either on air or on Twitter, and doesn't have the benefit of the on-site multi camera feed that DL and CK refer to that allows them to talk about moto pictures not broadcast, such as how Hansen was descending very gingerly on Friday when the main broadcast cameras were on Wiggins and Nibali.)
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Kirby v Quigley

12 May 2013 09:49

Come on then - How was Cartoon Kirby ?? if you think Quigley is a fool then Kirby has been in the nuthouse for years.
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12 May 2013 12:23

Yep. Quigley makes mistakes but he is not as bad as Kirby. Come on. I'm assuming people.who say that just have such low expectations for Kirby they don't even realize how bad he is.

Quigley probably knows about as much or more about cycling than 10% of this forum. For Kirby that's more like 3 or 4 %. I'd say for Kelly it's about 60% and by comparison harmonn 45% Dan Lloyd 70% and ligget obviously something under 1%.

Btw harmonn is as bad at working out tts or general races as Quigley. He does the mistake of thinking someone 500m will get the new best time even though they are only 10 seconds out, all the time.*

He also fails with the on screen splits between 2 riders.

And remember when al and Andy had a 3 minute lead on everyone in the tour, let Sanchez and menchov drop them for 5 seconds because they were doing track stands and Harmon was shouting at the top of his lungs that they had just thrown away the tour.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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12 May 2013 13:00

The Hitch wrote:Yep. Quigley makes mistakes but he is not as bad as Kirby. Come on. I'm assuming people.who say that just have such low expectations for Kirby they don't even realize how bad he is.

Quigley probably knows about as much or more about cycling than 10% of this forum. For Kirby that's more like 3 or 4 %. I'd say for Kelly it's about 60% and by comparison harmonn 45% Dan Lloyd 70% and ligget obviously something under 1%.

Btw harmonn is as bad at working out tts or general races as Quigley. He does the mistake of thinking someone 500m will get the new best time even though they are only 10 seconds out, all the time.*

He also fails with the on screen splits between 2 riders.

And remember when al and Andy had a 3 minute lead on everyone in the tour, let Sanchez and menchov drop them for 5 seconds because they were doing track stands and Harmon was shouting at the top of his lungs that they had just thrown away the tour.


Did I get it wrong or you think that 30-40% of this forum knows more about cycling than Sean Kelly/Dan Lloyd.
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12 May 2013 13:10

The Hitch wrote:And remember when al and Andy had a 3 minute lead on everyone in the tour, let Sanchez and menchov drop them for 5 seconds because they were doing track stands and Harmon was shouting at the top of his lungs that they had just thrown away the tour.


One of the main things I prefer Harmon over other commentators like Quigley is his enthusiasm. He usually makes a big deal when an important rider is dropped or putting in an attack which I find much more enjoyable than what we've had at this Giro ... so far any major attack has been announced with the same absurd mundane tone you wouldn't think anything interesting was happening.

I can understand why some people think Harmon overdoes it though, usually happens when he doesn't fully know the situation and time gaps etc

Regarding Quigley&Kelly, for the first few stages it was looking promising for Kelly to open up with his commentary and interaction with Quigley but I feel he's gotten more reserved again over the 2nd half of this first week. Not sure this combo is going to work.
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12 May 2013 13:16

Harmon at least is a fan of many riders and talks about them.
The only rider Quigley talks about is Wiggins.
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12 May 2013 13:23

the asian wrote:Harmon at least is a fan of many riders and talks about them.
The only rider Quigley talks about is Wiggins.


The problem with Quigley is that his man love distorts what is actually occurring in the race. Each failing by Wiggins is described as some form of "tactic" which forms part or a master plan. Which clearly it isn't. Why can't he say that Wiggins is a poor decender and dislikes the rain and thus loses time? It's not difficult to see that Wiggins has strengths in other areas. He doesn't need to pretend he is a perfect bike rider.
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12 May 2013 13:28

the asian wrote:Harmon at least is a fan of many riders and talks about them.
The only rider Quigley talks about is Wiggins.



Tweet him:)

simo1733 wrote:Did I get it wrong or you think that 30-40% of this forum knows more about cycling than Sean Kelly/Dan Lloyd.

Its hard to say because we dont know the full extent of their knowledge.

Kelly knows a lot but has certainly made mistakes.

If you got some of the posters on here to device a quiz on u23 races, or South American races, or match the gt climb to the gradient, do you think those 2 would get the questions right?

Maybe 30% is a bit high though, Those were rough numbers (except ligget, for him its to the nearest 1%)
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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12 May 2013 13:36

deValtos wrote:One of the main things I prefer Harmon over other commentators like Quigley is his enthusiasm. He usually makes a big deal when an important rider is dropped or putting in an attack which I find much more enjoyable than what we've had at this Giro ... so far any major attack has been announced with the same absurd mundane tone you wouldn't think anything interesting was happening.

Regarding Quigley&Kelly, for the first few stages it was looking promising for Kelly to open up with his commentary and interaction with Quigley but I feel he's gotten more reserved again over the 2nd half of this first week. Not sure this combo is going to work.


Gotta agree and same with Kirby. Both guilty of talking mince a lot, but their passion is sorely missed here.
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12 May 2013 13:48

So where is Harmon?
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12 May 2013 13:58

thehog wrote:So where is Harmon?


Taking a break to do 'other projects'. He will be back for the Tour though thank god.
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12 May 2013 14:05

[quote="The Hitch"]Tweet him:)


I should.
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