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15 Apr 2014 02:14

willbick wrote:A 'sprinter' that none of the other GC contenders could put a single second into on any stage. Get real


Didn't say I agree with that view. Just giving the most probable reason why some would see him as not the strongest in that Tour.
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15 Apr 2014 03:01

willbick wrote:A 'sprinter' that none of the other GC contenders could put a single second into on any stage. Get real


I don't think anyone was stronger than Wiggins except for Froome. I think a case can be made that he definitely was stronger.
Vino attacks everyone wrote:I have come to realise that I actually want AC to win this tour as much as I want Niali to win, cause I want to have experienced someone doing the double :eek:
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15 Apr 2014 05:45

Wiggins' list of accomplishments is impressive for several reasons:

1. He has been at or near the top of his sport for a long time.
2. He has won at the highest level in disciplines that are more varied than most other riders.
3. When he sets a goal, he achieves it more often than not.

Few riders can make those three simple claims.

In P-R yesterday, he was there in the finale. He fizzled a bit (as did everyone else other than Terpstra) in the final 5k, but he was better than 150 or so others, many of whom call themselves cobble specialists.

P-R was such an amazing race this year and Terpstra is a very deserving champion, but it could have easily gone to any of the final group. Terpstra saw it and took it. Still, Wiggo helped make the race what it was, as did so many others who rode brilliantly. Terpstra's victory must be all that much more satisfying knowing the quality of competition he soundly beat.
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15 Apr 2014 08:00

if one thing it prooves how ridiuclous overrated cobbled races are. they are the worst placed races of the entire year
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15 Apr 2014 11:37

Ryo Hazuki wrote:if one thing it prooves how ridiuclous overrated cobbled races are. they are the worst placed races of the entire year


It's the spectacle of course. The link to the old style racing. Even though there are surprise winners, most of the time the winners of the cobbled races are quality riders that also do well in other races. With the right preparation a talented rider like Wiggins should be able to do well in this type of race.
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15 Apr 2014 13:27

movingtarget wrote:It's the spectacle of course. The link to the old style racing. Even though there are surprise winners, most of the time the winners of the cobbled races are quality riders that also do well in other races. With the right preparation a talented rider like Wiggins should be able to do well in this type of race.

Yes, my friend, and I think both the King of Kilburn and G
likely have noted that it was another trackie that won.
Hopefully they, and Ian, give it a good go next year.
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15 Apr 2014 13:32

movingtarget wrote:It's the spectacle of course. The link to the old style racing. Even though there are surprise winners, most of the time the winners of the cobbled races are quality riders that also do well in other races. With the right preparation a talented rider like Wiggins should be able to do well in this type of race.


they are good riders but definitely not top of the bill imo in what other type of races has boonen ever done well except sprints, which I barely call quality anyway, or knaven, terpstra, ogrady.

and that is just roubaix, which is a far harder race to win than flanders, which is the most overrated.

don't get me wrong. I love watching the races.
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15 Apr 2014 14:55

roundabout wrote:Wiggins winning the Tour was the point where his course took an odd turn.

It's quite amazing that almost 2 years on the effect of the 2012 Tour is still being felt in the Froome-Wiggins relationship


Money will do that. I can respect Froome not wanting Wiggins by his side after working for him and then his share of the winnings being held back out of spite.
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15 Apr 2014 15:26

I'm just wondering who Wiggins will be at the Tour.. Mountain domestic or helper on the cobbles? :D
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15 Apr 2014 15:36

analogue17 wrote:I'm just wondering who Wiggins will be at the Tour.. Mountain domestic or helper on the cobbles? :D

The could easily be an ambiguous elbow on the cobbles. ;)
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15 Apr 2014 17:33

TheBean wrote:Wiggins' list of accomplishments is impressive for several reasons:

1. He has been at or near the top of his sport for a long time.
2. He has won at the highest level in disciplines that are more varied than most other riders.
3. When he sets a goal, he achieves it more often than not.

Few riders can make those three simple claims.

In P-R yesterday, he was there in the finale. He fizzled a bit (as did everyone else other than Terpstra) in the final 5k, but he was better than 150 or so others, many of whom call themselves cobble specialists.

P-R was such an amazing race this year and Terpstra is a very deserving champion, but it could have easily gone to any of the final group. Terpstra saw it and took it. Still, Wiggo helped make the race what it was, as did so many others who rode brilliantly. Terpstra's victory must be all that much more satisfying knowing the quality of competition he soundly beat.



Many of the 150 riders do not consider themselves cobble specialists. They consider themselves domestiques for their captains who are cobble specialists. There are of course a few exceptions, some teams have multiple "specialists," but most of the riders of cobbled races aren't "cobble specialists."
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16 Apr 2014 02:44

Ryo Hazuki wrote:they are good riders but definitely not top of the bill imo in what other type of races has boonen ever done well except sprints, which I barely call quality anyway, or knaven, terpstra, ogrady.

and that is just roubaix, which is a far harder race to win than flanders, which is the most overrated.

don't get me wrong. I love watching the races.


How about a World Championship, two of them, road race and team tt. Do you pay attention to anything? What GT GC racer wins classics? Most of the racers these days are one trick ponies.
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16 Apr 2014 14:50

Am I the only one thinking Wiggo should Sh*t-can the Tour of California and go for the Giro??

With the amount of ITT he could put at least 5 minutes into Quintana?

With Horner out of the Giro, it is a relatively weak field (compared to The Tour) overall and looks a no-brainer to me ?
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16 Apr 2014 14:51

He's not a climber anymore... His GC days are over .His goal is gaining weight for Track in rio and Roubaix ( and he achieved that however that goal is still obviously going )
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16 Apr 2014 14:51

Fight.The.Power wrote:Am I the only one thinking Wiggo should Sh*t-can the Tour of California and go for the Giro??

With the amount of ITT he could put at least 5 minutes into Quintana?

With Horner out of the Giro, it is a relatively weak field (compared to The Tour) overall and looks a no-brainer to me ?


Quintana will put more than 5 minutes into wiggins with his current climbing form to be honest.
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16 Apr 2014 14:54

Gloin22 wrote:He's not a climber anymore... His GC days are over .His goal is gaining weight for Track in rio and Roubaix ( and he achieved that however that goal is still obviously going )


yup wiggins should just **** the climbs, and become a full time cobbled classics specialist. That will be damn fun to watch:D
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16 Apr 2014 15:29

dlwssonic wrote:yup wiggins should just **** the climbs, and become a full time cobbled classics specialist. That will be damn fun to watch:D


Yeh, I think I would like to see that !!
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16 Apr 2014 15:34

Gloin22 wrote:He's not a climber anymore... His GC days are over .His goal is gaining weight for Track in rio and Roubaix ( and he achieved that however that goal is still obviously going )


I know your right. Maybe I just need closure. :(
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16 Apr 2014 17:22

Fight.The.Power wrote:Am I the only one thinking Wiggo should Sh*t-can the Tour of California and go for the Giro??

With the amount of ITT he could put at least 5 minutes into Quintana?

With Horner out of the Giro, it is a relatively weak field (compared to The Tour) overall and looks a no-brainer to me ?

Are you forgetting last year so soon. A day of rain in the mountains and he's history. He must have superb skills to top 10 PR but give him a wet descent and he's crying.
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18 Apr 2014 11:43

Wiggins to lead the Giro team?
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