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14 Sep 2013 16:07

Two years ago when this whole disaster started, the team touted itself as being a force to be reckoned with in GT's, with the Schlecks, Klöden, Fuglsang... and Horner. Well just about everything went wrong but two years later RSLT has just about won a GT, with the unlikeliest of all of the above I would say. Irony of ironies.

But despite all that is f'd up with this team, I think in the end the riders really came together as a unit. Mostly they didn't race that way but it is my impression that they felt like a real unit despite everything. And to some extend you could see it in the Vuelta. I wasn't able to watch many stages but from what I saw especially Kiserlovski and Cancellara did great work for Horner, Zubeldia too while he was there, I think Matty Bouché struggled to keep up with the pace, and the others I didn't see much but they are the type of riders that carry out the "unsung" jobs in cycling (Irizar, Popovych, Rast).

It is ironic that a team where the management has given up and is effectively preventing the riders from doing their job (cf. Becca), a group like this can get together and bring the most unlikely guy to (just about) GT victory. It's a great story, afterwards everyone has to decide for themself whether they believe it's true :)

Big respect to the whole team, (all but) winning this despite all odds (I'm talking screwed up management, not Horner)
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14 Sep 2013 16:16

Good post Christian! I agree, they really do seem to finally have come together as a team this year. And with that the results have finally come through; with Cancellara in the classics, Horner at the Vuelta, etc. I'm very glad that Trek took over sponsorship so they could continue and am looking forward to seeing what they can do next year with their current guys and new signings.
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14 Sep 2013 16:17

Yeah. There was a nice moment after the race when two soigneurs from the team dragged Horner away from the finish, and he kissed them on the cheek, first the one on the right and then the one on the left.
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15 Sep 2013 08:35

Come to think of it, it reminds me of Leopard 2011 - the team was already finished and then they went to win Lombardia.
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15 Sep 2013 08:46

ciranda wrote:Yeah. There was a nice moment after the race when two soigneurs from the team dragged Horner away from the finish, and he kissed them on the cheek, first the one on the right and then the one on the left.


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15 Sep 2013 12:07

If they finally bonded to a real 'team', why did Cancellara just leave the Vuelta to prepare the WC while his team leader had a very good chance to win the Vuelta and could definatly have used some help...
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15 Sep 2013 12:11

Billie wrote:If they finally bonded to a real 'team', why did Cancellara just leave the Vuelta to prepare the WC while his team leader had a very good chance to win the Vuelta and could definatly have used some help...


I think Trek went all out to keep him, so they must have given him free reign. If it weren't for him, there wouldn't be a team next year I think. So he calls the shots
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15 Sep 2013 12:39

Christian wrote:Image


I didn't know that Horner's little-brother was also on the team (guy to the left). :D
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16 Sep 2013 13:54

Billie wrote:If they finally bonded to a real 'team', why did Cancellara just leave the Vuelta to prepare the WC while his team leader had a very good chance to win the Vuelta and could definatly have used some help...


Horner is confident enough in his abilities to have gone into the Vuelta with belief that he could contend for a podium spot and likely expressed that belief to the team. Cancellar pulling out early should come as no surprise since his desire to win the wcrr has been well known and thus understood within the team. While his presence would of course be a plus, it was understood before hand that he would leave early.
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16 Sep 2013 14:16

Billie wrote:If they finally bonded to a real 'team', why did Cancellara just leave the Vuelta to prepare the WC while his team leader had a very good chance to win the Vuelta and could definatly have used some help...


Canc actually told Horner 4 months before the Vuelta started he would help Him get the red jersey. Cancellara did a awesome job helping him, during the TTT but also in the mountains. Kept his word.
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17 Sep 2013 02:14

Christian wrote:Two years ago when this whole disaster started, the team touted itself as being a force to be reckoned with in GT's, with the Schlecks, Klöden, Fuglsang... and Horner. Well just about everything went wrong but two years later RSLT has just about won a GT, with the unlikeliest of all of the above I would say. Irony of ironies.

But despite all that is f'd up with this team, I think in the end the riders really came together as a unit. Mostly they didn't race that way but it is my impression that they felt like a real unit despite everything. And to some extend you could see it in the Vuelta. I wasn't able to watch many stages but from what I saw especially Kiserlovski and Cancellara did great work for Horner, Zubeldia too while he was there, I think Matty Bouché struggled to keep up with the pace, and the others I didn't see much but they are the type of riders that carry out the "unsung" jobs in cycling (Irizar, Popovych, Rast).

It is ironic that a team where the management has given up and is effectively preventing the riders from doing their job (cf. Becca), a group like this can get together and bring the most unlikely guy to (just about) GT victory. It's a great story, afterwards everyone has to decide for themself whether they believe it's true :)

Big respect to the whole team, (all but) winning this despite all odds (I'm talking screwed up management, not Horner)


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24 Sep 2013 16:17

Is Trek more or less done signing for 2014, minus Horner's negotiation? I am a little ****ed, seems they let a lot of young talent just walk away. Am I wrong?
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24 Sep 2013 16:26

stabbin31 wrote:Is Trek more or less done signing for 2014, minus Horner's negotiation? I am a little ****ed, seems they let a lot of young talent just walk away. Am I wrong?


Well the Van Poppels have been rumoured for a long time to sign with Trek but no confirmation has been made. Which makes me wonder if it's not happening at all?

Other riders that have been associated with Trek are Kristof Vandewalle and Kristian Haugaard (Leopard-Trek CT).

Overall I don't think that they let a lot of young talent slip away, as you say. The biggest loss is certainly Tony Gallopin, then George Bennett and Nelson Oliveira are talented but don't seem like huge losses to me. Bakelants is not exactly young talent anymore, but a pity nonetheless.

They have kept their two most promising youngsters with Jungels and Nizzolo. And they have signed almost exclusively young riders, some of them very promising like Arredondo, Zoidl, Felline, Silvestre and possibly the Van Poppels.

So overall I think the team will be much younger next year
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24 Sep 2013 16:43

Wasn't Nizzolo looking at joining another team? Is it confirmed he is staying with Trek?
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24 Sep 2013 17:03

Afrank wrote:Wasn't Nizzolo looking at joining another team? Is it confirmed he is staying with Trek?


There has not been an official confirmation but I have read it in some articles. No garantee though!
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24 Sep 2013 17:11

Christian wrote:Well the Van Poppels have been rumoured for a long time to sign with Trek but no confirmation has been made. Which makes me wonder if it's not happening at all?

Other riders that have been associated with Trek are Kristof Vandewalle and Kristian Haugaard (Leopard-Trek CT).

Overall I don't think that they let a lot of young talent slip away, as you say. The biggest loss is certainly Tony Gallopin, then George Bennett and Nelson Oliveira are talented but don't seem like huge losses to me. Bakelants is not exactly young talent anymore, but a pity nonetheless.

They have kept their two most promising youngsters with Jungels and Nizzolo. And they have signed almost exclusively young riders, some of them very promising like Arredondo, Zoidl, Felline, Silvestre and possibly the Van Poppels.

So overall I think the team will be much younger next year


Makes sense, however from IMO losing Bakelants hurts the most, followed by Bennett and Gallopin. I liked what I saw from Monfort at the Tour as well.

I don't know a lot about the young riders that Trek signed so it is skewing my opinion.

I thought that the Van Poppels and Nizzolo were confirmed?
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24 Sep 2013 17:48

stabbin31 wrote:I thought that the Van Poppels and Nizzolo were confirmed?


I don't think so, nothing official at least...
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