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09 Sep 2011 16:39

Haircut's stock's falling faster than the Dow Jones today.

Seriously, Sky put all their eggs in the basket of a guy who's 31 and has won what, ONE major race?
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09 Sep 2011 16:40

Well Wiggins ego did cost Froome the Vuelta win in the end.

If Froome didn't have to work his *** off at the Manzaneda in the red jersey, he would have won the Vuelta. Simple as that
BYOP88 wrote:Great to see that Porte has rediscovered his 2010/11 climbing form. Hope he can keep it for the rest of the Tour and year.
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09 Sep 2011 16:41

Moose McKnuckles wrote:Haircut's stock's falling faster than the Dow Jones today.

Seriously, Sky put all their eggs in the basket of a guy who's 31 and has won what, ONE major race?


I've been thinking the same thing for about the last week! Shame really...
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09 Sep 2011 16:42

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Well Wiggins ego did cost Froome the Vuelta win in the end.

If Froome didn't have to work his *** off at the Manzaneda in the red jersey, he would have won the Vuelta. Simple as that


But it's not that simple.

Someone, either Wiggins or Froome, had to chase down Mollema and Rodriguez etc attacks on Manzaneda. Who would you have used?
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09 Sep 2011 16:45

Post-hoc rationalizations....
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09 Sep 2011 16:49

ingsve wrote:Post-hoc rationalizations....


Yeh very easy indeed. I mean who could've suspected Froome would be this good? That was a lot more unlikely then Wiggins doing well.
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09 Sep 2011 16:51

Moose McKnuckles wrote:Haircut's stock's falling faster than the Dow Jones today.

Seriously, Sky put all their eggs in the basket of a guy who's 31 and has won what, ONE major race?


Stunningly accurate observation regarding Wiggins' age.

Sky need to ask themselves when was the last time a rider of such advanced years won a GT. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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09 Sep 2011 16:53

Youngblood wrote:Stunningly accurate observation regarding Wiggins' age.

Sky need to ask themselves when was the last time a rider of such advanced years won a GT. :rolleyes::rolleyes:


...while having won exactly ONE race prior to that.

Try again, youngblood.
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09 Sep 2011 16:56

It was a perfectly sensible decision to make Froome work for Wiggins. Wiggins was the team leader, the most proven GC rider of the two. No one would have thought Froome would be able to do what he did on Angliru, the most logical decision was to gamble on Wiggins.

Sky played to win, picking their team leader and sticking with him. True, it didn't work out, but what else could they have done?
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09 Sep 2011 16:58

Moose McKnuckles wrote:Haircut's stock's falling faster than the Dow Jones today.

Seriously, Sky put all their eggs in the basket of a guy who's 31 and has won what, ONE major race?


You are aware that this sort of argument does support their strategy if you change the point of view?
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09 Sep 2011 17:00

Greenflame wrote:
Sky played to win, picking their team leader and sticking with him. True, it didn't work out, but what else could they have done?


Time travel forward, get the Sports Almanack, then backwards again to change the plan.
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09 Sep 2011 17:01

Compared to the huge amount Froome had achieved at the top level prior to this Vuelta? Don't get me wrong, Sky should have given both Wiggins and Froome top billing after the TT, but no one, probably not even Froome himself could have believed that he would have ridden so well and so consistently for three weeks. Just as Sky were ultimately wrong to totally back Wiggins, it would also have been wrong to fully back Froome after the TT.
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09 Sep 2011 17:03

Froome deserved the chance for not continue being a domestique after he gets the vuelta lead in the first half of the vuelta after the TT, 2 MTF and 2 Hill finishes. for me there was more than enough reasons for not use him as a domestique
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09 Sep 2011 17:07

Moose McKnuckles wrote:...while having won exactly ONE race prior to that.

Try again, youngblood.


Tempting offer Moose.

On reflection I feel compelled to turn it down, No offence intended.
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09 Sep 2011 17:07

Catwhoorg wrote:Time travel forward, get the Sports Almanack, then backwards again to change the plan.




A nice plan, but he'd lose loads of time every time he punctured. Do you realise how long it takes to get a fat mechanic out of the back seat of a DeLorean?
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09 Sep 2011 17:07

I think Sky did what they had to do and what was correct with the info they had at the time.
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09 Sep 2011 17:09

I find it very amusing that people who two weeks ago wouldn't have been able to pick Chris Froome out of a 2 person lineup are perfectly happy to say "yeah of course Sky should forego their nominated leader, who currently lies 3rd overall, and throw all their weight behind Froome who has a long history of blowing himself up on climbs".
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09 Sep 2011 17:11

Greenflame wrote:Wiggins was the team leader, the most proven GC rider of the two.


The ONLY proven GC rider of the two.
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09 Sep 2011 17:11

It was obvious to at least one rider that Froome was stronger than Wiggins before Wiggins cracked

http://www.lavuelta.com/11/en/online/index.html?e=15

Jakob Fuglsang: "Froome is the favorite"

"FROOME Christopher (183) is the big favorite to win the Vuelta. He looks stronger than WIGGINS Bradley (188) on the climbs", said FUGLSANG Jakob (103), in fifth overall in the Spanish race. "In the last km the legs and the head speak, not the background."
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09 Sep 2011 17:12

hrotha wrote:I think Sky did what they had to do and what was correct with the info they had at the time.

I disagree, after the ITT they should have at least have Froome try the next mountainstage for himself. If he lost time doing so, they still had Wiggins there. Now they made sure Froome sacrifisied himself which in the end cost him the time to win the Vuelta.
BYOP88 wrote:Great to see that Porte has rediscovered his 2010/11 climbing form. Hope he can keep it for the rest of the Tour and year.
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