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"another interesting piece I found on the UCI and president Pat McQuaid " Thread

26 Sep 2011 06:05

Really think it is about time the UCI and Pat had a Official thread. maybe they do I could not find it.

Anyway ...........

Countries set to lose doping powers

CYCLING'S world body wants national federations stripped of the power to investigate doping cases concerning their own riders by setting up an independent tribunal, believing it will limit time being wasted in the current process and the potential danger of local bias impairing their findings.
Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) president Pat McQuaid revealed the initiative during the world road cycling championships on Saturday when questioned about the ongoing doping case of Alberto Contador.




Which I think is a positive step forward, the only concern is that the independent tribunal must be independent of the UCI as well.


ps can a mod please put in a ´and´ after UCI ie "another interesting piece I found on the UCI and president Pat McQuaid " Thread

Thanks
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26 Sep 2011 06:40

Well done prat mcquaid - how many years did it take to work that out, at this rate we may even get an acknowledgement from prat that Armstrong may be being investigated for doping by the us Feds as well
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26 Sep 2011 13:21

same as in the other thread, the current rules are totally unrelated to reality and mirror nobody's business model. If a pro player on Man U violates a rule he is dealt w by his club and the federation. He doesn't go back to his home country.

The UCI needs to let pro racing exist on it's own. If bike gymnastics and BMX need to be governed go ahead but leave the pros out of it. The backward 50 year old systems of the UCI are killing pro racing. The big race promoters have McQuaid by the short hairs. No true schedule, no consistent testing, everything about the product varies from year to year, by month, promoter and political climate. People want to see the best racers contest the best races, the UCI is probably the single biggest obstacle to that happening.

The silly association of a professional league associated with regional rules from the athlete's country of license is dumb. The problems it would create for any type of police are mind boggling. Which side of the road to drive on ?. In Spain a banned substance can often be accepted if you are the favored son. In Italy time is calculated by a different calender and two years is not always 2 years. The UCI is completely unneeded in pro racing, a strong organization absolutely, but not anything to do McQuaid and his circle of DB's.
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26 Sep 2011 13:25

Do you trust the UCI under Pat McQuaid to be anymore serious about doping issues than say the Spanish federation?

Until the whole disciplinary issue is separate from the people running the sport (and gaining financially from it) there is little hope for the sport.
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26 Sep 2011 13:57

Mrs John Murphy wrote:Do you trust the UCI under Pat McQuaid to be anymore serious about doping issues than say the Spanish federation?

Until the whole disciplinary issue is separate from the people running the sport (and gaining financially from it) there is little hope for the sport.


Well if the bio-passport committee is anything to do by then this will be a raging success! This would only give McQuaid more power to select who tests positive and who becomes a border line case that’s not released to the media.
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26 Sep 2011 19:27

fatandfast wrote:The big race promoters have McQuaid by the short hairs.


Who are these fabled promoters that have more power than the UCI? We've got ASO (France), RCS (Italy), Spain???, and Pat's own promotion company. The rest go to Pat to buy the show off the shelf.

Last time I looked, ASO has been crippled by Pat. Pat aggressively promotes the Tour of California over the Giro. The UCI is consolidating power and money at the Pro Tour level in the name of growing the sport Internationally.

Is it working? I don't know.
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26 Sep 2011 19:29

thehog wrote:Well if the bio-passport committee is anything to do by then this will be a raging success! This would only give McQuaid more power to select who tests positive and who becomes a border line case that’s not released to the media.


Winner! Winner!

Full-on positives can be kept out of the media too. Worst case scenario for a positive in this regime is the UCI recommends a 'vacation' for the rider.
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27 Sep 2011 08:30

DirtyWorks wrote:Winner! Winner!

Full-on positives can be kept out of the media too. Worst case scenario for a positive in this regime is the UCI recommends a 'vacation' for the rider.


I suggest full on positives will be 'compensated' for rather than enforced vacations.

But the UCI is leaving out the important factor in trying to control doping in house and that is the police authorities and various drug agencies of countries who take a very dim view of illegal pushing of pharmaceuticals and that will bite the sport bigger than anything as that bypasses sports journalists and into crime reporting. Illegal trade in pharmaceuticals means bypassing taxes and governments frown on that hugely.

And the Italian police are doing a good job of policing the illegal trade in pharmaceuticals compared to the various federations finding positive athletes.


Poor McQuaid really is a stupid.......
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27 Sep 2011 11:50

Benotti69 wrote:
Poor McQuaid really is a stupid.......

Stupid is often the disguize of evil. Because it works. Evil, we take on.
Stupid, we shakes our heads over and walk away.
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27 Sep 2011 14:33

Cloxxki wrote:Stupid is often the disguize of evil. Because it works. Evil, we take on.
Stupid, we shakes our heads over and walk away.


True, but it is easy to incompetent and stupid when the people who should question these things are complicit.

I think if he was evil he wouldn't bumble along. The UCI's current hierarchy would be gone in a second if only the federations and media called it truthfully.
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28 Sep 2011 02:45

Cloxxki wrote:Stupid is often the disguise of evil. Because it works. Evil, we take on.
Stupid, we shakes our heads over and walk away.


a very good observation. i may quote you.
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28 Sep 2011 08:44

Benotti69 wrote:True, but it is easy to incompetent and stupid when the people who should question these things are complicit.

I think if he was evil he wouldn't bumble along. The UCI's current hierarchy would be gone in a second if only the federations and media called it truthfully.


They're pushing it for sure.
As they take it this far, a neurologist could step forward and declare him unfit to perform any intelligent work. Bush Jr. nearly got that far, and then just quickly uttered something appropriate when the men in white coats approached too much for comfort.

Wouldn't that be great, and independent panel of neurologists (or psychiatrists when relevant) to signal by themselves leaders unfit to perform this job. It would force leaders to act responsibly, and consistent with their organizations' mission statements. It's not THAT hard you know, to do your job. Just when you're up high, messing up seems to get you re-elected every time.
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28 Sep 2011 10:21

Cloxxki wrote:They're pushing it for sure.
As they take it this far, a neurologist could step forward and declare him unfit to perform any intelligent work. Bush Jr. nearly got that far, and then just quickly uttered something appropriate when the men in white coats approached too much for comfort.

Wouldn't that be great, and independent panel of neurologists (or psychiatrists when relevant) to signal by themselves leaders unfit to perform this job. It would force leaders to act responsibly, and consistent with their organizations' mission statements. It's not THAT hard you know, to do your job.


I doubt the neurologists would form such a panel as they would lose all their valuable funding.

Cloxxki wrote: Just when you're up high, messing up seems to get you re-elected every time.


I think most countries suffer from this with their governments, but they, well mostly, are elected by the people. In McQuaid's case he is elected by the national Federations, which is worrying for amateur cyclists when you consider how badly the International Fed is run.
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28 Sep 2011 11:56

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-vs-landis-the-missing-lawsuit

With this sort of rhetoric Pat still hasn't changed. Well done for cyclingnews for asking the question. Not many other cycling news organisations who would do that.
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“It’s definitely going ahead but I don’t know when. I haven’t spoken to legal but they’re looking after it. You can’t dictate resolutions on legal cases. They go at their own speed and you have to let the lawyers take care of it.”

Cyclingnews contacted Landis and asked if he had received any notification or communication from the UCI since they announced the start of legal proceedings. Like McQuaid, he had no idea where the case was heading but he did disclose that he had received no communication.

More importantly, he told Cyclingnews that he had hired his own US lawyers – real ones this time – to trawl the Swiss courts to find a case that matched his name. According to Landis, nothing was found.

“They put out a press release on their website saying they had filed a law suit. That was months ago and they can’t pretend that didn’t happen. I had lawyers search the courts of Switzerland for something with my name on it and there is nothing,” Landis said. “So McQuaid is full of it.”
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28 Sep 2011 12:14

Can we zoom in on that? Add a bit of color? Perhaps others will pick up on it.


“[SIZE="7"][color="Red"]McQuaid[/color] [color="Magenta"]is [/color][color="Lime"]full [/color]of [color="MediumTurquoise"]it[/color][/SIZE].”


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-vs-landis-the-missing-lawsuit
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28 Sep 2011 12:16

Props to CN for asking.
And good to hear something from our new favorite Nascar hopeful.
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28 Sep 2011 13:01

Cloxxki wrote:Props to CN for asking.
And good to hear something from our new favorite Nascar hopeful.



You’d think McQuaid would say something like “For now there is no law suit. Cycling has moved on, the UCI has moved on we’re now part of new generation of cycling . The UCI and cycling doesn’t need to waste time with Floyd Landis. Let’s talk about the programs we’re putting in place and some of the excellent results from new younger riders at the world championships”

But instead he continues to put his foot in it and pretend there’s still something in the law suit. He’d be better off acknowledging that there isn’t a lawsuit and move on. But pretending that Floyd is lying when the whole world knows he’s not is just really stupid. It just prolongs the pain.
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28 Sep 2011 14:34

I dub Pat McQuaid "Fat Ba$tard" from now on. "FLOYD LANDIS, I"M GONNA' EAT YOU!!!! GET IN MY BELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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29 Sep 2011 20:17

Interesting analysis of the recently released UCI 2010 financials re UCI and GCP - http://cyclismas.com/2011/09/is-gcp-the-smoking-corruption-gun/
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