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Race Design Thread

06 Oct 2011 19:35

The grand concept of this thread is that we all have our ideas of what kind of race we want to see, or places we wish races would go, or races we wish existed. So here's the chance for us to post up these ideas.

I will keep this original post as a library of the thread so that if it takes off and some people are posting a group of stages and other people are posting another one at the same time, preventing the natural flow of each race being fully clear, you can look at the first post and see a link to each individual race and/or its constituent parts.

Here are a few tools to help you on your way, should you wish to contribute:
http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com
http://www.gpsies.com
http://www.mapmyride.com
http://www.openrunner.com
http://www.ridewithgps.com
http://www.tracks4bikers.com

Some of these races also come with PCM versions for the game-minded of you. Progsprach has been diligently compiling these into a PCM library post, which you can view here.

Fictional One-Day Races
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Fictional Stage Races (Germany)
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Fictional Stage Races (Austria, Switzerland & Benelux)
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Fictional Stage Races (UK, Ireland & Scandinavia)
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Fictional Stage Races (France, Spain, Portugal & Italy)
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Fictional Stage Races (Eastern Europe)
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Fictional Stage Races (Balkans, Greece & Cyprus)
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Fictional Stage Races (The Americas)
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Fictional Stage Races (Middle East)
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Fictional Stage Races (Asia)
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Fictional Stage Races (Australasia)
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Fictional Stage Races (Africa)
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Fantasy versions of Classics, Worlds and Olympic races
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Fantasy Stages for existing races
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Fantasy Giri d'Italia
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Library (users J-Q)
Library (users R-Z)
Eshnar's all-mountain Giri

Fantasy Tours de France
Library (users A-G)
Library (users H-N)
Library (users O-R)
Library (users S-Z)

Fantasy Vueltas a España
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Library (users L-Z)

Fantasy versions of other World Tour Stage Races
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Fantasy versions of other Europe Tour Stage Races (Scandinavia, Britain, Low Countries, Germany, Austria)
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Fantasy versions of other Europe Tour Stage Races (France, Spain, Portugal, Italy)
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Fantasy versions of other Europe Tour Stage Races (Central & Eastern Europe)
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Fantasy versions of other Continental Tour Stage Races
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06 Oct 2011 19:44

Stage race in Belgium/French-Flanders.

- A stage with some cobbled sectors from Roubaix in the final
- A stage with some of the Flemish hills of the Ronde near the final
-A hilly stage with the hills of the Ardennes classics
- A short time trial with loops around the Muur van Geraardsbergen
-A flat stage near the coast of Belgium
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06 Oct 2011 19:54

First up, I offer to you my first fictional event, the Tour du Pays-Basque Français (or Iparraldeko Itzulia if you'd prefer).

This is a four-stage race around the three Basque provinces of Labourd (Lapurdi), Basse-Navarre (Nafarroa Beherea) and Soule (Zuberoa), to take the slot of the old Euskal Bizikleta. It would likely attract most of the French and Spanish teams since most of the Spanish teams are from nearby.

We will kick things off with an Individual Time Trial around the small town of Ustaritz, the capital of Labourd until the French revolution, and still an important historic town for the French Basques.

Stage 1: Ustaritz-Ustaritz (ITT), 12,0km
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This stage starts and finishes just outside the Lota Jauregia and heads out to the village of Jatxou before turning north, before looping around some smaller roads on a small and not-especially-strenuous climb, then heading back to Ustaritz to finish.

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Lota Jauregia:
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Ustaritz:
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12km against the clock is seemingly quite long for a four-stage race and as a first stage, but there's plenty of opportunity yet to come for those who aren't so strong against the clock to claw that time back.
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06 Oct 2011 20:14

A stage for the Tour of California but maybe better suited to a one day. It's tough. Starts 286 feet ( 87.17 meters) below sea level.

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The ride is 136 miles (219 km) long and has an actual elevation gain of 15,800 feet (4,800 m), one of the longest and most sustained elevation differences in American cycling. There are three major hills...Townes Pass, climbing up from Stovepipe Wells; Hillcrest, climbing from Panamint Springs; and the Whitney Portal Road, which leaves the town of Lone Pine, California to climb to the Portal.

Townes Pass is an agonizing 16.6 miles (26.7 km) long with an 5,000'+ (1,524 meter)elevation gain.
Hillcrest is 11.9 miles (19.2 km) long, with slightly over 3,000'(914.4 meter) elevation gain.
The Whitney Portal road gains close to 5,000' (1,524 meter)in 12 miles (19 km).

In addition to long distances and heart-breaking hills, the temperature can play a major factor. At the start in Badwater, temperatures can routinely be as high as 130 degrees,( 54.4 degree Celsius) but the temperature quickly drops as the riders pedal higher and higher. Below freezing temperatures can be encountered near the Portal at night, making a temperature swing of over 100 degrees (37.7 degree Celsius) in a single day.
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06 Oct 2011 20:16

Stick to rollercoaster tycoon.
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06 Oct 2011 20:22

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/643058/edit
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06 Oct 2011 20:25

Waterloo Sunrise wrote:Stick to rollercoaster tycoon.


Give the memmo to the guys who organized the road race at the Olympics.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


The Hitch wrote:Goss will woop boonens candy a[color="Black"]ss[/color] in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week
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06 Oct 2011 20:28

Stage 2: Saint-Jean-de-Luz - Ainhoa, 166km

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Starting in the coastal town of Saint-Jean-de-Luz, this course heads to the east before moving in a southward loop over a series of small and medium sized climbs, before ending on a circuit around Ainhoa, a very small town/large village included in Les Plus Beaux Villages de France. This circuit is not especially demanding, but the finish does come just after an uphill drag of 5km in length; the earlier climbs could well shell most of the pure sprinters, but some strong men may remain; this uphill drag gives rouleurs and stronger puncheurs a chance to try to get away from what remains of the péloton, although the non-technical nature of the run-in means that if a strong group doesn't get away, any fastman with the endurance to get over the climbs earlier in the day will feel they should back themselves for this one.

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The climbs:
Urrizméhé (cat.3) 3,9km @ 4,1%
Mocorreta (cat.2) 5,9km @ 4,8%
Antzaramendi (cat.2) 3,7km @ 5,8%
Artxuita (cat.2) 3,7km @ 6,4%
Gastigarlépoa (cat.3) 2,9km @ 4,7%
Col de Légarré (cat.2) 5,0km @ 5,9%

Saint-Jean-de-Luz:
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Ainhoa (directly beside the finishing line):
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06 Oct 2011 20:32

krebs303 wrote: Townes Pass is an agonizing 16.6 miles (26.7 km) long with an 5,000'+ elevation gain.
Hillcrest is 11.9 miles (19.2 km) long, with slightly over 3,000' elevation gain.
The Whitney Portal road gains close to 5,000' in 12 miles (19 km).

In addition to long distances and heart-breaking hills, the temperature can play a major factor. At the start in Badwater, temperatures can routinely be as high as 130 degrees, but the temperature quickly drops as the riders pedal higher and higher. Below freezing temperatures can be encountered near the Portal at night, making a temperature swing of over 100 degrees in a single day.


Sounds absolutely evil. I have to admit though, I'm not really au fait with the use of feet as a measuring device in altitude in cycling, I've always struggled with reading American stage maps for that reason; what kind of altitude gain in metres are we talking about in these climbs?
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06 Oct 2011 20:49

El Pistolero wrote:Give the memo to the guys who organised the road race at the Olympics.


The point of Rollercoaster Tycoon is to make a profit. The point of home advantage is to win more medals.

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06 Oct 2011 20:50

I'll have a go at a more varied Tour of Britain route at some point over the winter. You could put together some really tough stages in Devon, Wales, Lake District and Scotland fairly easily, with acceptable transfer distances in between. An ITT finish around Edinburgh would finish things off nicely.
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06 Oct 2011 20:52

El Pistolero wrote: the guys who organized the road race at the Olympics.


Why don't you add you own, preferred route and add it this thread?
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06 Oct 2011 20:59

Libertine Seguros wrote:Sounds absolutely evil. I have to admit though, I'm not really au fait with the use of feet as a measuring device in altitude in cycling, I've always struggled with reading American stage maps for that reason; what kind of altitude gain in metres are we talking about in these climbs?


1000 feet= 300 meters.
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06 Oct 2011 21:03

Queen stage time!

Stage 3: Ainhoa - Les Chalets d'Irati, 140km

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Starting off from where we finished the previous day, this stage is short and the first half of the stage is completely flat. However, the second half of this stage should decide the race, featuring two of the most underused climbs in France, before finishing with two lesser ascents; there is ample room to attack three climbs out here, with little descending time for dropped riders to bring their attackers back; also the final climb is relatively short and straightforward compared to what's come before, but still easily enough for any groups still together after the pain that's preceded them to be broken up. I expect riders finishing mostly individually at the upper end of the classification here.

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As there's no vertical scale there, I'll just give it a sense of scale by pointing out that the stage finishes at 1326m of altitude.

The climbs:

Col d'Elhursaro (HC) 10,0km, 8,6%
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(the climb as used here is the section from Ondarolles to Col d'Elhursaro)

Col d'Errozate (HC) 10,1km, 9,6%
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Col de Sourzay (cat.2) 5,9km, 4,1%
Col d'Hegichouria (cat.1) 6,0km, 5,3%
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06 Oct 2011 21:03

Libertine Seguros wrote:Sounds absolutely evil. I have to admit though, I'm not really au fait with the use of feet as a measuring device in altitude in cycling, I've always struggled with reading American stage maps for that reason; what kind of altitude gain in metres are we talking about in these climbs?


Sorry didn't notice only part was in meters:o
went back and added meters as needed.
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06 Oct 2011 21:08

Col d'Elhursaro:
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Errozate:
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Col d'Iraty (near finish):
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Les Chalets d'Irati:
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06 Oct 2011 21:09

jordan5000 wrote:1000 feet= 300 meters.


1 000 feet = 304.8 meters just for the more precise among us:D

But I do use 300 when the calculator is not handy:o
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06 Oct 2011 21:43

The tour of Cornwall

213km, mixture of good, and very bad road surfaces. Most of the route follows the coastline so expect northwesterly winds for the first half of the race, and south easterly winds for the second half, and pretty harsh winds in the middle section as it crosses the lizard.

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no major climbs, just constant up and down as it goes up to 140m above sea level, down to sea level, back up again, back down again.

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The climb details dont tell the whole story though, most of them are made of a very explosive, steep first 500m-750 metres before levelling out hence the low average gradients.

The constant ups and downs, changeable wind conditions and poor road surface would make it pretty tough, as anyone who has ridden in cornwall would know.

and who put the picture up thats wider than my monitor.. grrr
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06 Oct 2011 22:04

Stage 4: Mauléon-Licharre - Bayonne, 136km

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And so our short tour of the northern Basque provinces reaches its conclusion with a short flat stage, running from the capital of Soule/Zuberoa to the capital of Labourd/Lapurdi, finishing on the banks of the Adour. Although the stage is most definitely one for the sprinters, the finish does include a few twists and turns that may offer a late attacker something if they are strong enough. Also, with the likely gaps opened up by the previous stage and the probable lack of depth in the sprinting field, we could get a less predictable finale; the profile suggests that the bunch kick should be decisive, but positioning will be absolutely crucial in the final few corners.

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Climbs:
Lapitsague (cat.3) 4,9km @ 3,1%
Galárreguy (cat.3) 3,0km @ 3,6%
Abarratia (cat.3) 2,6km @ 3,6%

Mauléon-Licharre:
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Bayonne:
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06 Oct 2011 23:02

Always wanted to see The Tour of Britain make proper use of Exmoor. A couple of laps around the moor starting in Barnstaple and ending in Lynton. Would look like this: (annoyingly it didnt copy the height markings but the profile goes from 0m to just under 400m)

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180km with over 3000m of climbing including twice up Porlock Hill (around 25% and a real leg breaker).

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The finishing 2kms is at 8% with pitches above 20%. Add to this some very windy exposed moorland roads and we have an exciting stage.


Or on a similar note of starting in Barnstaple and finishing in Lynton 140km takes us along the coast on narrow roads and steep climbs. Cutting up from Porlock to Dunkery before looping round to Minehead and back up Porlock hill and back to Lynton. Similar amount of climbing as the previous route but shorter sharper climbs and a lot more of them. Image

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