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22 Jun 2015 19:59

Profiles of a Tour de Suisse I did sometime ago. I can't find the time to write a full post so for now I'll just share the images.
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Re: Race Design Thread

22 Jun 2015 21:28

I would like to make a criterium du dauphine but I am not completely sure which area I can use , because I think the dauphine itself is much smaller than the area which is normally used for the criterium du dauphine. Are there any borders I have to watch or is there only a rough area I should use?
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Re: Race Design Thread

22 Jun 2015 22:35

Gigs_98 wrote:I would like to make a criterium du dauphine but I am not completely sure which area I can use , because I think the dauphine itself is much smaller than the area which is normally used for the criterium du dauphine. Are there any borders I have to watch or is there only a rough area I should use?

Rhône-Alpes region is the official region of the Dauphiné, though it does expand beyond this occasionally.
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Tour of California 9

22 Jun 2015 23:23

Tour of California stage 9: South Lake Tahoe - Tyrolian Village; 201 km

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I am back with the Tour of California after a short break, so let me remind you the last presented stage was the eighth one featuring a MTF on Monitor Pass. The second stage of this weekend is again a mountain stage and includes the highest point of the race - Mount Rose Summit at 2686 meters. The backup plan in case of unusable descent would be to finish on top of this pass or somewhere lower along the way.

The first 90 km of the stage loop around the picturesque Lake Tahoe, before leaving California once again (and for the last time in the race). We descent down to Carson Valley and pass through last stage's start town - Carson City, this time hosting an intermediate sprint. After leaving Silver city behind, the first proper climb of the day starts. Gold Hill is not too long for a 1st category climb, but the last 2 km average over 10 % so it's surely going to cause some selection. After beraly noticeable downhill we pass through fairly nice Virginia City, which used to have a population of 25 000 at the end of 19th century with the first major silver deposit discovered in USA being nearby. Nowadays there are less than 1000 residents though. The road then continues to go up a bit to Geiger Summit, which opens up to some nice views down the valley.

Straight after the descent comes the main difficulty of the day. And what a beast of a climb this is. Mount Rose summit crests just 16 km to go and is 26 km long in total. I don't think it will be decisive in terms of the final GC, but if someone has a bad day, this could very well prove to be end to their chances in GC. The gradient rarely gets over 6% or below 4%, so this will be a game of atrition for sure. The descent off it is as easy as it could be and last for about 12 km. I also provides views of Lake Tahoe as we approach it again. The last 2 km of the stage are again uphill, as we climb from Incline Village towards the Diamond Peak Ski Resort in Tyrolian Village. This last rise has 6.5 % average so enough to create small differences after a hard day.

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23 Jun 2015 09:08

I really like the look of that stage, togo. Very nicely drawn. Chapeau!
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24 Jun 2015 20:48

Cortina d'Ampezzo WC rr
I still have a WC road race that I'd like to post.
I wanted to have a hard WC and so I choose Cortina d'Ampezzo, la perla delle Dolomiti, the the "Pearl of the Dolomites" to host it. This WC lacks an intorduction, the whole race takes place on the finishing circuit.
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Amount of Loops:
Junior Women = 2 loops (80,6km)
U23 Men = 5 loops (201,6km)
Junior Men = 4 loops (177,3km)
Elite Women = 4 loops (177,3km)
Elite Men = 6 loops (242km)
The Elite Men race is a little bit short, but you have around 4680m of altitude gain, that should be a hard race and it's still over 240km long.
The climbs:
Passo tre Croci: 8,1km at 7,1% with a max. gradient of 12%
Misurina: 1,7km at 6,1% with a max. gradient of 10%.
The main climb of the Circuit, Passo tre Croci, starts right at the beginning of it, about 400m on top of the climb are false flat, then we have a 4km long easy descent before the climb to Misurina starts.
After 3km of false flat the descent starts, it's not a very hard one and the 2 hairpins at the end of it are very nice to ride.
Right after the descent the riders will ride past the hotel complex in Carbonin.
The next 3,5km are at 3,2%, and will bring us to Passo Cimabanche, a nice place to have a coffee if you're on a training ride.
The next 5km are false flat and we ride past Ospitale d'Ampezzo before a short descent with a few tricky corners starts, the 2nd part of it is not technical but a highspeed descent.
The final 5,5km of the circuit are just slightly downhill false flat and will bring the riders back to the center of Cortina and the final 250m feature some urban cobbles.
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26 Jun 2015 16:42

GIRO STAGE 15: CASTELLAMONTE - OROPA 162.3km-- MOUNTAIN
The series of quite short mountain stages continues, 3 out of the last 4 have been mountainous (or medium mountain) and under 170km. Usually when you see the word Oropa as a finish in the Giro, you usually think of the summit finish. Not this time. We are coming from the north, not the south. This time, we reach the summit with 9km of descent to go, 300m over the finish line. This side is steeper, but is much harder to find a profile of.

The day starts off with a loop of Castellamonte over the first climb which is long and not steep. Then we skirt the mountains through Ivrea, over another climb, slightly more difficult this time, before we arrive at Biella. Here the riders must overs=come the natural instinct to turn left and head up to the Santuario of Oropa, and head over 40km of rolling terrain before we reach the climb Valico di Bielmonte but from Pray. It is 18.4km long at an average gradient of 5.4%, but includes a short descent near the end. It is the same climb used in 201e4, but has been upgraded from 2 to 1 because of its importance in the stage. attacks could be made here, or the race could be driven hard here to drop the domestiques and provide an open race for the last climb.

Climb to Bielmonte:
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The final climb to the very summit of the Oropa climb, the tunnel, is reached after 12 km of easy, low gradient descent. The climb starts at Rosazzo, and reaches the wonderful Santuario di San Giovanni pretty early on in the climb. The start of this climb is about 6-8% depending on the section, and is the easier part of the climb. Then we reach the hairpins. Here the gradient reaches over 10%, and on some hairpins the gradient reaches 14%. The first 3km average 7%, the second 3km average 11% an the final 900m reach a ridiculously steep section of 18(!)%, and is 15% for nearly a whole km. If anyone is already on the limit reaching this section, they almost certainly be dropped. The riders will see a tunnel and they will go through it - the tunnel is sort of unpaved and is one of those mountain tunnels, hard to describe really. Then we start the 9km descent down to the sanctuary of Oropa.

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Re: Race Design Thread

27 Jun 2015 21:11

KAKANIEN RUNDFAHRT

(Sat) stage 19: Pec pod Snezkou - Litomysl, 181 km

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This is the penultimate stage of the three week tour. The hard stages are behind us, we are leaving Riesengebirge and head to the south. Mid-stage we climb through Adlergebirge (Orlické hory), then the terrain gets easier. However there are two climbs in the final 26 kilometers.


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The last climb has a stretch of half an kilometer at 11,6%. Desperate attempts to change the general classification are possible, but unlikely to succeed. This should be either a breakaway win or a reduced bunch sprint. The finish is at the elongated market square, which is one of the largest in the Czech Republic.


Pec pod Sněžkou
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Litomyšl
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Re: Race Design Thread

27 Jun 2015 21:35

KAKANIEN RUNDFAHRT

(Sun) stage 20: Brünn - Wien, 148 km

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Parade. The Rundfahrt ends with two laps on Ringstraße.


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Wien
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Re: Race Design Thread

27 Jun 2015 22:05

KAKANIEN RUNDFAHRT

Openrunner can only display ten stages, so i made a map for each week.

week 1
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week 2
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week 3
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prologue Krakau 6,9 km
stage 1 Krakau - Strebske Pleso 165 km
stage 2 Poprad - Vac 219 km
stage 3 Budpest - Budpest 165 km
stage 4 Gödöllö - Debrecen 209 km
stage 5 Oradea - Marisel 206 km
stage 6 Cluj-Napoca - Sighisoara 175 km
stage 7 Sighisoara - Balea Lac 110 km
stage 8 Sibiu - Brasov 196 km

stage 9 Kotor - Kotor 114 km
stage 10 Dubrovnik - Neum 70 km ITT
stage 11 Makarska - Trogir 121 km
stage 12 Rovinj - Gorizia 184 km
stage 13 Cividale del Friuli - Stari vrh 198 km
stage 14 Kranj - Velika planina 116 km

stage 15 Karlsbad - Pilsen 169 km
stage 16 Pilsen - Prag 175 km
stage 17 Prag - Spindlermühle 242 km
stage 18 Karpacz - Schneekoppe 13 km ITT
stage 19 Pec pod Snezkou - Litomysl 181 km
stage 20 Brünn - Wien 148 km

3.182 km in total.
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27 Jun 2015 22:19

Congrats fauniera, that was great to follow.

@togo another great stage.
@Mayo great circuit, that sure calls for attacks.
@Brullnux very nice
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Re:

28 Jun 2015 03:56

BigMac wrote:Profiles of a Tour de Suisse I did sometime ago. I can't find the time to write a full post so for now I'll just share the images.
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These profiles look more like Switzerland than the '15 TdS edition. Nice start.
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Re: Race Design Thread

30 Jun 2015 18:18

Sadly there isnt so much going on on this thread and I also didnt post a race for a while. To change that I firstly wanted to make a dauphine, because a dauphine doesn't need so much time, but then I started to recreate my personal first tour de france, on cronoescalada. Yesterday I finished this work so I want to start to post it, but before the description of stage 1 starts I want to say something about this tour:
It is the first tdf I ever created and also only the second gt I made (and the first gt I post on this forum) so there are some stages which are definitely not that good, especially in the first week. The even bigger problem of this first week is that this tour starts in Le Mans and already arrives in the pyrenees in week one. Thats a problem because I created the route with a plan of the mountain stages already in my mind, which means that I had to make 6 stages leading to the pyrenees which shouldn't use the same area as week 2 and 3 --> I had to use the west of france and believe me, thats an awful area for race designing.

Tour de France stage 1: Le Mans - Le Mans ITT(13 km)
My tour de france starts with an ITT in Le Mans. The distance is 13 km´s (which is about as much as this years only ITT) and the profile is almost completely flat so it will be about pure power. The time gaps for the gc wont be crucial however 30 seconds or a bit more are absolutely possible. As I already said the grand depart is in Le Mans, but I am a motor sport fan so of course the route wont be located in the center of the city Le Mans, but on the Circuit de la Sarthe. The Circuit de la Sarthe is one of the most famous the car racing tracks, used in the 24 Hours of Le Mans. An interesting fact about this circuit is that parts of the track are normal streets which are used in normal traffic too.

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30 Jun 2015 19:18

Woo, my first Tour started with an ITT on the Circuit de la Sarthe as well :p
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30 Jun 2015 19:37

Libertine Seguros wrote:Woo, my first Tour started with an ITT on the Circuit de la Sarthe as well :p

lol :D
was that also the first tdf you posted in this thread
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Re: Race Design Thread

30 Jun 2015 19:47

Tour de France stage 2: Le Mans - Loches (164 km)
The first mass start stage is already the flattest one of my whole tour. Believe me, I really searched for climbs but I just didnt find them. However there is a categorized climb (which is only a little bump to be honest) but I only categorized it because there has to be someone who wears the king of the mountains jersey on stage 3.

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climbs:
Les Maisons Rouges (4th cat.)
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Re: Race Design Thread

30 Jun 2015 20:09

Tour de France stage 3: Loches - Limoges (186 km)
Yes, I try to finish the posting of the first few stages very quickly :D
The next flat stage which is still definitely something for the sprinters but at least there is a little bit of up and down in the second half of the route. There are also two categorized climbs, the first one "Droux" as well as the second one "La Tace" are both very easy 4th category climbs. The finish line is located in Limoges, a big city famous for its cathedral

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30 Jun 2015 21:24

Stage 3 Middlebury - Mount Ascutney; 191,3km
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The first MTF.
I still have to finish a race, so here we go.
The stage starts in Middlebury and the first 54km that will bring the riders southwards to Rutland are false flat, then we have the first climb of the day, Sherburne Pass, 12,2km at 3,8%, one of those easy american climbs on wide roads, but at least this one is irregular and has a few steeper ramps.
After the descent we have 82km of false flat before the next climb starts, up to Baltimore Rd from Perkinsville, 3,1km at 6% with 9% steep ramps.
After 2,5km of false flat we reach the small town Baltimore Vt, then we have a gentle descent.
After 8km of false flat we have the next climb, Cady Hill Rd, 2,4km at 6,4% with 15% steep ramps.
After an easy descent we have 5km of false flat before the final climb starts, Mount Ascutney, 5,95km at 11,7% with a max. gradient of 19%.
It's not a very long climb, but a hard one. I don't think that we'll see huge gaps but we should be able to see how strong each contender is in the mountains. It should be a nice stage, the 2nd MTF of the race will be even harder.
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Tour of California 10

30 Jun 2015 22:20

Tour of California stage 10: Ione - Ione; 50 km

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After two mountain stages and a well deserved rest day, here comes the second and last time trial of the race. And it is a tricky one. Not only is it 50 km long but also features a lot of short sharp hills (the most challenging is the first one with 3 km at 6 %, but also first km averaging 9%) in the middle section (hence making it less likely to see bike swaps). From Drytown to Jackass Creek, cyclists will have to ascent 550 meters accumulated over 20 km. The route follows good roads, albeit quite narrow in places in the rolling country around Amador City and Sutter Creek. Taking place right after rest day, this could bring some surprises as well.

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Re: Race Design Thread

01 Jul 2015 12:27

Tour de France stage 4: Limoges - Montignac (212 km)
The first at least hilly stage of this tour comes on day 4. Although there are hardly any real climbs the stage is full of little bumps which could make the race harder. One thing that is sure is that sprint teams will have more problems to control the peloton, than on the stages before. The main reason for that is that there are two categorized climbs on the last 20 kilometers, which could cause some attacks (although these climbs are more little bumps than actual climbs. The first of them is even only 1.6% steep but thats also because of a little descent in the middle of the ascent)
After the descent of the final climb of the day there is only a short flat section which leads to the finish line, which is located in Montignac.

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Montignac:
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climbs:
Pierre Buffere (4th cat.)
Les Chaumonts (4th cat.)
La Croix (3rd cat. btw la croix might be a strange name for a climb but its the name of a little town near the top of the climb so I called it like that)
Les Bruges (4th cat.)
La Sagne (4th cat.)

ps: I named many climbs of this tour after towns, which are near the top of the climb, so don't wonder if the names are sometimes strange.
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