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Re: Race Design Thread

Yesterday 15:48

Gigs_98 wrote:why don't you use some more cobble sections? I love the idea of a finish near the touree d arenberg but the fact that there is only one section also means that the rest of the stage will be very boring. I think a handful cobble section before arenberg would really make this stage more interesting.

The reason is that, the last time cobbles were used in the Tour there were more sections earlier in the stage and there were a lot of complaints that it was too risky and it was possible to lose too much time if one had, say, a mechanical on a section early in the stage. So while it would definitely make the stage more interesting if there were more cobble sections (and obviously if this were a one-day race or short stage race I'd have done it), I opted for the safer approach and limit the time gaps by making the part after the section very short. In the end, I hope my tour will be decided by something other than mechanical problems and falls on cobbles.
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Yesterday 16:07

How many TTs? Something like the third one including the TTT. You're only now about half way!
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Yesterday 17:18

lemon cheese cake wrote:How many TTs? Something like the third one including the TTT. You're only now about half way!

There's a lot of TTs(i think two normal one + a TTT and a MTT) until now and still one more to go. That is a ridiculous amount, I agree, but it's not actually that may km when you add them up. The actual amount of TT Kilometers is similar to 2012. I just wanted to have many different styles of tíme trials represented and also wanted my GTs to have a different flair to them. The Vuelta will be different and have alot less time trials, just two short ones.
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Re: Race Design Thread

Yesterday 17:46

Progsprach wrote:
Gigs_98 wrote:why don't you use some more cobble sections? I love the idea of a finish near the touree d arenberg but the fact that there is only one section also means that the rest of the stage will be very boring. I think a handful cobble section before arenberg would really make this stage more interesting.

The reason is that, the last time cobbles were used in the Tour there were more sections earlier in the stage and there were a lot of complaints that it was too risky and it was possible to lose too much time if one had, say, a mechanical on a section early in the stage. So while it would definitely make the stage more interesting if there were more cobble sections (and obviously if this were a one-day race or short stage race I'd have done it), I opted for the safer approach and limit the time gaps by making the part after the section very short. In the end, I hope my tour will be decided by something other than mechanical problems and falls on cobbles.


A safer approach by sending an entire peloton through le Trouée d'Arenberg?
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Re: Race Design Thread

Yesterday 18:01

Tour de Suisse, stage 2: Sankt-Gallen - Einsiedeln: 133km, medium mountains

The longest stage is followed by the shortest stage (in line), but by no means it will be a walk in the park.
The first half of the stage covers some rolling terrain, with two short climbs. A bit after the halfway mark the peloton crosses the Zurichsee., followed by some kilometres on flat roads to Siebnen. When leaving this village, the first real difficulty of the day starts: the more then 11km long climb to the Sattelegg. While its average gradient and altitude are nothing to be afraid of there's still a 2km long stretch of over 10% about 3km from the summit. A short descent and some downhill false flat lead the peloton to a first passage of the finishline.The downhill false flat continues for a few extra kilometres and then turns into a fast descent to the Zurichsee once again. The riders won't enjoy the sights, as the road will point skyward after the end of the descent in Pfäffikon. The short but steep Etzel -a kind of Xorret de Cati in Switzerland- will shred the remainder of the bunch to little pieces. The equally steep, but short, descent is followed by a short and steep bump and some false flat. This will be the last chance for the strongest of the day to get rid of their opponents, if that didn't happen earlier.
The finish will be in the vicinity of Einsiedeln abbey.

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Climbs:
Wasserfluh: km27.5; 2.3km @ 7.7%; 843m; 3rd cat
Hulftegg: km47; 2.8km @ 6.7%; 953m; 3rd cat
Sattelegg: km96; 11.7km @ 6.4%; 1190m; 1st cat
Etzel: km125.5; 4.6km @ 11.2%; 950m; 1st cat
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Re: Race Design Thread

Yesterday 18:31

Ok. I was just thinking Tony Martin would be jumping for joy if this route was real! Anyway back in the Netherlands:

Ronde van Nederland Stage 2 Rotterdam - Zandvoort (124.5km)

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Climbs:
None

Primes:
Monster
Den Haag
Katwijk
Noordwijkerhout
Haarlem

Combined Competition:
Climbs and Primes combined with bonus seconds at primes and the finish.

Today we start in the 'Gateway to Europe'. Rotterdamhas one of the largest ports Europeas well as a pretty large cruise terminal. However, we don't care about how large ports are, as it is the host city for the start of stage two. We will start by looping round east and out of the city, before heading west towards the coast. Once pretty close to the coast, we will head north and pass through Monsterfor the first prime. Continuing to head north, we come to the second prime at Den Haag. We will skirt round LeidenThe third prime will be at Katwijk. After the third, the fourth will be at Noordwijkerhout and the fifth at Haarlem. After a hairpin, we leave Haarlem and will eventually do a right turn. It's straight to the coast now at Zandvoort. But this is not the finish. The finish is at the former Formula 1 circuit just outside the town.


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Finish:
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Re: Race Design Thread

Yesterday 18:31

rghysens wrote:Tour de Suisse, stage 2: Sankt-Gallen - Einsiedeln: 133km, medium mountains


I like it, but Sattelegg surely is more than cat2, don't you think?
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Re: Race Design Thread

Yesterday 18:37

fauniera wrote:
rghysens wrote:Tour de Suisse, stage 2: Sankt-Gallen - Einsiedeln: 133km, medium mountains


I like it, but Sattelegg surely is more than cat2, don't you think?

Probably, but I'm afraid i won't have enough 2nd category climbs compared to 1st and HC. Maybe I"ll revise it later.

Edit: I edited stage 6 a bit, so it has more 2nd cat climbs now, without changing the general design too much. And I made Sattelegg -rightfully so- a 1st cat climb.
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Re: Race Design Thread

Yesterday 19:17

Tour de Suisse, stage 3: Zug - Zug: 38.3km, TT

Switzerland is not only a country of moutains, but also one of lakes, as this tour shows. It started on a lakeside, the first stages skirted a lake, the second crossed a lake and the third stage will be nothing but a loop around another lake. The shores of the Zugersee will be the battlefield of the this stage: a flat TT from Zug to Zug.

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Re: Race Design Thread

Today 04:49

Tour de Suisse, stage 4: Schwyz - Solothurn: 185km, medium mountains

We're leaving the lakes behind us today. The start from Schwyz will lead the peloton to the Vierwaldstättersee, which will be followed to Kussnacht. This will be the beginning of the climb to Michaelskreuz, a climb that also features in the 2015 Tour de Sisse, but from its more difficult north side. The descent to Root is followed by more than 100km flat and rolling roads to Solothurn, today's finishing location. A rather long local lap of 34km will completely splinter the field. The Weissenstein will sort the pretenders from the contenders, while the Balmberg, short but very steep, is tailormade for a stage winning move.

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Climbs:
Michaelskreuz: km36.5; 4.4km @ 5.3%; 772m; 3rd cat
Weissenstein: km159.5; 8.8km @ 9.5%; 1284m; 1st cat
Balmberg: km171.5; 2.9km @ 13.8%; 1078m; 2nd cat
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Today 05:02

Really beautiful stage, extremely tough climbs with descents that would play a large role. Love it.
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