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19 Sep 2012 03:41

VeloCity wrote:If it isn't, it should be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/opinion/brooks-thurston-howell-romney.html?_r=2&smid=tw-share&_rmoc.semityn.www

And that's David Brooks, who's not exactly a fan of Obama.

"My job is not to worry about those people. I"ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives". Which would suggest that President Romney, to no one's big surprise, would be the president of and for the wealthy. btw, where have we heard all that before? Oh right. Paul Ryan.


A total mis-read.

Equal opportunity versus equal outcomes. Romney v Obama. Simple stuff.
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19 Sep 2012 03:46

Scott SoCal wrote:Not so sure believing everything you read is sane policy-and I know you don't but I think you are falling for the spin (I reserve the right to be wrong tho).

Isn't it interesting to see the hackles up when Romney swerves oh-so-close to the non-politically correct truth. Our politics are so corrupt that when a politician gets this close to the truth the backlash is something to behold.

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Yup. The Conservative Recession has hit the nation hard. The perfect time for Mittens to tell everyone that he does not care about half the country. Oops. Too much truth about Romney.

I think Hormone Cain could have run a better campaign than Romney.
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19 Sep 2012 04:09

BroDeal wrote:Yup. The Conservative Recession has hit the nation hard. The perfect time for Mittens to tell everyone that he does not care about half the country. Oops. Too much truth about Romney.

I think Hormone Cain could have run a better campaign than Romney.


Absolutely brilliant. It's Bush's fault. Maybe Obama should start using that tactic.
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19 Sep 2012 04:14

Scott SoCal wrote:Not so sure believing everything you read is sane policy-and I know you don't but I think you are falling for the spin (I reserve the right to be wrong tho).

Isn't it interesting to see the hackles up when Romney swerves oh-so-close to the non-politically correct truth. Our politics are so corrupt that when a politician gets this close to the truth the backlash is something to behold.

THE DATA BEHIND ROMNEY'S 47% COMMENTS.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/18/the-data-behind-romneys-47-comments/

Report: Median Income Worse Now Than It Was During Great*Recession





http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/18/report-median-income-worse-now-than-it-was-during-great-recession/

The Unprecedented Increase in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program 2008–12

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ir_23.htm#.UFk6V2t5mSN

I think a very good argument can be made that Obama's necessary consequence for a certain re-election is a quantum shift in the dependency class. Obama's either brilliant... or so inept that it's truly hard to imagine. Either way, if he wins the D's will likely control high levels of govt for generations. Once the dependency class reaches 3 or 4 percentage points higher than what we see currently, then you will truly see perpetual power. Look no further than California... the blueprint is in place.


"dependency class." The disrespect you extend to people in financial difficulty is sad, but I wouldn't expect much different from someone voting for Romney. The idea that this is some permanent class is a lie. It is a fiction perpetuated by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Don't open with "Not so sure believing everything you read is sane policy" and then end with that. Bad form.
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19 Sep 2012 04:15

Scott SoCal wrote:A total mis-read.

Equal opportunity versus equal outcomes. Romney v Obama. Simple stuff.


That you can write "equal opportunity" without blinking is stunning.
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19 Sep 2012 04:20

Scott SoCal wrote:Absolutely brilliant. It's Bush's fault.


It is Bush's fault. Well, him and guys like you who cheered him on for eight years.

The first president with an MBA turned out to not be much of a businessman. I guess his list of business failures should have been a clue.

And let's give some credit to D!ck "Deficits don't matter, Reagan proved that" Cheney. Although it turns out that deficits do matter, but only if there is a Democrat in office trying to fix the prior administration's foul up.
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19 Sep 2012 04:30

ChewbaccaD wrote:That you can write "equal opportunity" without blinking is stunning.


Hmmm.

Of everyone on this thread yours is one of the only opinions I could give a **** about.

Perhaps I'm reading incorrectly but I don't think so.

Dependency class is incredibly sad. It destroys self worth faster than anything I know. One side wants more of it the other wants to grow our way out.

It's a stark contrast.
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19 Sep 2012 04:41

Scott SoCal wrote:Hmmm.

Of everyone on this thread yours is one of the only opinions I could give a **** about.

Perhaps I'm reading incorrectly but I don't think so.

Dependency class is incredibly sad. It destroys self worth faster than anything I know. One side wants more of it the other wants to grow our way out.

It's a stark contrast.


The people I am dealing with who are receiving assistance are far from being lazy freeloaders with no ambition to rise above. Most of them simply have few to any real opportunities that will allow them to rise to much of anything. Sure, some will make it out, but all of them cannot. Capitalism doesn't work that way. I was a bit harsh in my posts. Much of that comes from being one of those 47% who is being assisted (student loans) by governmental programs, and knowing that I am not anything like who Romney described.
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19 Sep 2012 05:08

VeloCity wrote:If it isn't, it should be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/opinion/brooks-thurston-howell-romney.html?_r=2&smid=tw-share&_rmoc.semityn.www

And that's David Brooks, who's not exactly a fan of Obama.

"My job is not to worry about those people. I"ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives". Which would suggest that President Romney, to no one's big surprise, would be the president of and for the wealthy. btw, where have we heard all that before? Oh right. Paul Ryan.


What arrogance and callousness toward the working class, from a snobbish multi-millionaire who keeps his wealth off shore at the fiscal paradise that is the Caiman Islands. Though this is not at all surprising. ****** bags like him if they cannot be within the legal framework considered tax evaders, are certainly tax avoiders. Romney and his friends at the country club spend all their time discussing how the nation is going to hell because civilized social programs espoused by the progressives are to them a communist conspiracy: into which they, however, armed with a wealth that permits them to have bank accounts in places like the Caiman Isles, of course contribute nothing, or just a very pittance of their actual earnings. This is proof that the ideology of the conservatives is to govern wholesale in the interests of the rich, in other words a restricted minority, which they justify because they claim to be business friendly. Though I dispute the whole concept of "freeloading" that Brooks infers, even within the framework of his polemical analysis. How is universal healthcare "freeloading?" How is a good public education “freeloading?”

At the same time the Republicans have no problem with an outrageously costly military budget that spends more to safeguard the Empire, so that the rich guys like himself can continue to enjoy their privileges and accrue more wealth, while millions of Americans can’t even afford private health insurance or have no access to a decent public education. Evidently the private sector and the market doesn't distribute the wealth as efficiently as they say it should.

These elitists are really the ones debilitating the country. They are draining the vital lymph of mass society, which means the middle and lower classes, because under their libertarian and privatized world millions have no access to those basic things like health and learning that any modern free-market society absolutely demands to develop and progress. Ironic then that one of the republican selling points, which is pure instrumental propaganda, has always been that they in fact speak to the “average Joe” on the street, to the business community and workers as a whole; whereas the democrats are a cove of elitists out of touch with Americans whose intellectualism is the product of their being guided by nefarious principles of the kind we find so un-American and more suited to the socialists in Europe (of whom we always look toward with the greatest suspicion). All of which, they say, is basically contemptible.

One day the US will pay for its excesses in individualism, if it hasn't already begun (and by all indications it has begun). A European friend of mine once told me: "There is nothing further to the right, than an American on the right."
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19 Sep 2012 05:26

Scott SoCal wrote:Hmmm.

Of everyone on this thread yours is one of the only opinions I could give a **** about.

Perhaps I'm reading incorrectly but I don't think so.

Dependency class is incredibly sad. It destroys self worth faster than anything I know. One side wants more of it the other wants to grow our way out.

It's a stark contrast.


Your problem is that you take all this stuff too seriously, like it actually matters who gets elected and the parties' positions are something other than cynical posturing that bears little semblance to reality. This means you are unable to enjoy the rich comedy of American presidential electioneering. There is a lot of laughs to be had from Romney, a charmless political grifter who combines the pandering of Clinton, the non-existent charisma of Dukakis, the flip-flopping of Kerry, the blandness of Dole, and the obnoxious tin ear of Dubya.
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19 Sep 2012 05:27

Scott SoCal wrote:
Perhaps I'm reading incorrectly but I don't think so.

Dependency class is incredibly sad. It destroys self worth faster than anything I know. One side wants more of it the other wants to grow our way out.

It's a stark contrast.


I would think it more accurate to say that at an ideological level, each side tells rather different lies to perpetuate that class. The side you speak of as growing may offer more and less desultory flavors of dependence, but the long term effect is the same--even when everything is adjusted for growth.

Perhaps you truly feel otherwise...
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19 Sep 2012 23:50

Scott SoCal wrote:Not so sure believing everything you read is sane policy-and I know you don't but I think you are falling for the spin (I reserve the right to be wrong tho).

Isn't it interesting to see the hackles up when Romney swerves oh-so-close to the non-politically correct truth. Our politics are so corrupt that when a politician gets this close to the truth the backlash is something to behold.

THE DATA BEHIND ROMNEY'S 47% COMMENTS.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/18/the-data-behind-romneys-47-comments/

Report: Median Income Worse Now Than It Was During Great*Recession





http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/18/report-median-income-worse-now-than-it-was-during-great-recession/

The Unprecedented Increase in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program 2008–12

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ir_23.htm#.UFk6V2t5mSN

I think a very good argument can be made that Obama's necessary consequence for a certain re-election is a quantum shift in the dependency class. Obama's either brilliant... or so inept that it's truly hard to imagine. Either way, if he wins the D's will likely control high levels of govt for generations. Once the dependency class reaches 3 or 4 percentage points higher than what we see currently, then you will truly see perpetual power. Look no further than California... the blueprint is in place.


The dependency class, that Romney admits he has no chance of winning, includes who?!
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-tears-apart-romneys-assertions-about-the-dependent-47-percent/
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20 Sep 2012 14:29

Scott SoCal wrote:Dependency class is incredibly sad. It destroys self worth faster than anything I know. One side wants more of it the other wants to grow our way out.

It's a stark contrast.
And yet, as has been shown numerous times, economic growth has always been higher under Dem administrations than it has under Republican administrations.

So really, if you were honest with yourself, which you're not, you'd be voting Dem.
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20 Sep 2012 21:17

Freeloaders........
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/who-doesnt-pay-federal-income-taxes-legally/

Surprisingly, a not insignificant number of those who are clearly well off are also among the “lucky duckies.” There are 78,000 tax filers with incomes of $211,000 to $533,000 who will pay no federal income taxes this year. Even more amazingly, there are 24,000 households with incomes of $533,000 to $2.2 million with zero income tax liability, and 3,000 tax filers with incomes above $2.2 million with the same federal income tax liability as most of those with incomes barely above the poverty level.


Surely the Dems are to blame?
But the growth of the non-income-taxpaying population is largely a result of Republican tax policies. The earned-income tax credit is the main reason those with low incomes are largely exempted from federal income taxes. Originated by Gerald Ford, it was expanded by both Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush as a better way to help the working poor than raising the minimum wage, which they believed would increase unemployment.


Probably written by some ultra-liberal nutcase, right?
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20 Sep 2012 21:26

....here is a little something about free-loading on the government dime..enjoy....

http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/

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20 Sep 2012 22:24

Since this is originally from the NYT, it's probably just another liberal lie.

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21 Sep 2012 00:06

Amsterhammer wrote:Since this is originally from the NYT, it's probably just another liberal lie.

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Unpossible! I have been told by a noted conservative thinker who posts to this very thread that it is Barry's fault and the debt literally asploded under his watch. Looking at that graph gives the wrong impression that the celebrated businessman and president, ol' Dubya himself, might have had something to do with it. In fact, looking through the wrong goggles might give one the impression that Dubya is mostly to blame.

In other news, Romney's campaign co-chairman has abandoned ship. Probably the start of the mad rush for the exits. Don't worry, though. 53% of the rats have vowed to stay with the ship as it goes down. It is only the moochers that have lost faith.
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21 Sep 2012 02:01

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21 Sep 2012 02:13

The Hitch wrote:Umm wasn't obama the one who went to.rev wrights church? Where's your pic on that?

Especially seeing as how the above pic suggests that every ridiculous thing that can be found in the book of Mormon are the "ramblings" of mitt himself.
well by the same logic we would have to credit obama with among other things, the belief that aids were invented by the cia to wipe out black people.

Its one things to support 1 candidate, but do you not see it totally ridiculous to attack the other side for the same thing you turn a blind eye to and claim is off limits when done to yours?


Hey The Hitch, I think you're missing the point:

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