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08 Nov 2012 20:25

And then there are the true nutcase libertarians.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/eric-dondero-boycott-democrat-libertarian.html

Republicans around the country are responding to President Obama's reelection in a variety of ways — among them: anger, depression, finger-pointing. But nobody had the same reaction as Eric Dondero, a former Ron Paul aide who blogs at LibertarianRepublican.net. In a post yesterday, Dondero, reasoning that the only recourse to Obama's victory is "outright revolt," laid out the terms of the "personal boycott" against Democrats which he plans to maintain for the rest of his life and that he hopes his followers will as well. What does the boycott entail? Cutting all ties with Democratic family members, friends, and lovers; refusing to work for a Democratic boss; spitting on the ground when a Democrat talks to you; and possibly ****ting on your Democratic neighbor's lawn, among other things:

All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.

Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.

Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.
I think someone's lost it completely.

EDIT: oh sorry Zam, didn't see that you'd already posted this.
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08 Nov 2012 20:58

BroDeal wrote:There will be opposition to realistic immigration reform from not only business interests opposing the effective closure of the borders but the loony tune fringe that is convinced that any sort of federal ID is the first step to being rounded up and shipped off to FEMA run concentration camps. At the same time an amnesty will produce a voter windfall for the Democrats. If the Repubs played their cards right, they might be able to nominate Rubio in 2016 and capture a lot of those voters; but the party has a severe brand problem with minorities that might be hard to overcome.



People should concentrate on effective government because we are never going back to an idealized past where government was small and limited. Society has grown too large for that.


There will be opposition to realistic immigration reform from not only business interests opposing the effective closure of the borders but the loony tune fringe that is convinced that any sort of federal ID is the first step to being rounded up and shipped off to FEMA run concentration camps. At the same time an amnesty will produce a voter windfall for the Democrats. If the Repubs played their cards right, they might be able to nominate Rubio in 2016 and capture a lot of those voters; but the party has a severe brand problem with minorities that might be hard to overcome.


I don't think immigration reform will close borders anymore than they are closed now. Amnesty is surely certain to happen now. But if Heather Mac Donald is correct then, at least in Cali, Hispanics are going to vote for whoever promises to give them the most stuff. Rubio won't help the R's with Hispanics much as the south FL Cubans already are pretty conservative. Rubio's message won't resonate with Hispanics much better than Romney's did.

"The future mismatch between labor supply and demand is likely to raise wages for college-educated workers, while a glut of workers with a high school diploma or less will depress wages on the low end and contribute to an increased demand for government services, especially among the less educated Hispanic population. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California already use welfare programs (such as cash welfare, food stamps, and housing assistance) at twice the rate of U.S.-born non-Hispanic households, according to an analysis of the March 2011 Current Population Survey by the Center for Immigration Studies. Welfare use by immigrants is higher still. In 2008–09, the fraction of households using some form of welfare was 82 percent for households headed by an illegal immigrant and 61 percent for households headed by a legal immigrant.

Higher rates of Hispanic poverty drive this disparity in welfare consumption. Hispanics made up nearly 60 percent of California’s poor in 2010, despite being less than 38 percent of the population. Nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics in California are poor, compared with a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nationally, the poverty rate of Hispanic adults drops from 25.5 percent in the first generation—the immigrant generation, that is—to 17 percent in the second but rises to 19 percent in the third, according to a Center for Immigration Studies analysis. (The poverty rate for white adults is 9 percent.) That frustrating third-generation economic stall repeats the pattern in high school graduation and college completion rates as well."


http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_1_california-demographics.html


People should concentrate on effective government because we are never going back to an idealized past where government was small and limited. Society has grown too large for that.


Probably very good advice for Republicans if they want any influence or relevance going forward.
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08 Nov 2012 21:17

VeloCity wrote:And then there are the true nutcase libertarians.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/eric-dondero-boycott-democrat-libertarian.html

I think someone's lost it completely.


...nutcase indeed...and someone from the circle of saint of the libertarian cause Ron Paul which comes as a real surprise....him being so reasonable and just...as befits a saint...:rolleyes:...

...someone on another forum commenting on this story used the following line to define libertarians...."aetheist Republicans with no moral compass or sense of civil proportion"...translation:there is no resistance in the system to mitigate short circuits....

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08 Nov 2012 21:21

So Romney conceded FL, making the final EV tally 332-206.

Also, nothing makes me happier than this:

Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson is 0-5 in campaigns where he invested millions into super PACs to help Republican candidates.

Adelson had put millions into super PACs supporting Senate candidates George Allen in Virginia and Connie Mack in Florida, and House candidate Shmuley Boteach in New Jersey. He had previously backed Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and Texas Senate candidate David Dewhurst, both of whom lost in primary elections.

New York Times reporter Nicholas Confessore tweeted, "With Kaine called, Adelson 0-5 for individual races he spent heavily in through super PACs this cycle. A Romney loss would be 0-6."

The biggest super PAC donor of the 2012 election could wind up going 0-6 if Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney loses to President Barack Obama. http://www.caltrops.com/pointy.php?action=viewPost&pid=150165
0-6 it is.
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08 Nov 2012 21:25

Scott SoCal wrote:I don't think immigration reform will close borders anymore than they are closed now. Amnesty is surely certain to happen now. But if Heather Mac Donald is correct then, at least in Cali, Hispanics are going to vote for whoever promises to give them the most stuff. Rubio won't help the R's with Hispanics much as the south FL Cubans already are pretty conservative. Rubio's message won't resonate with Hispanics much better than Romney's did.



http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_1_california-demographics.html

Probably very good advice for Republicans if they want any influence or relevance going forward.


...Society has grown too large...and more importantly, too complex....in fact its amazing that a system designed several hundred years ago still functions as well as it does in this modern age...

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08 Nov 2012 21:38

Scott SoCal wrote:Hispanics are going to vote for whoever promises to give them the most stuff.
This is why you guys still don't and probably never will get it.
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08 Nov 2012 21:44

blutto wrote:...Society has grown too large...and more importantly, too complex....in fact its amazing that a system designed several hundred years ago still functions as well as it does in this modern age...

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Apparently so.

I see real danger though. In Cali our population is roughly 37 million. There are roughly 300,000 tax filers that will be effected by the new tax increase. This group accounts for over half of the income tax collected in CA.

Even a small reduction in the size of this this group will hurt badly the state's ability to realize revenue increases. Then there will be more pressure to tax this group resulting in more incentive to flee the State.
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08 Nov 2012 21:44

Epic Unhinged Teatard (?) Rant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoqti0lzAw&feature=youtu.be


I spent 8 months in a Palin group.

I am so [@#$%#%^] mad at Sarah Palin tonight. I could spit nails at her. She failed this country. She should have stepped up. She should have ran... I know she has small kids. But everyone makes sacrifices. .. SARAH....


If you don't understand that, get off the #%@$#& internet. You are in the way


And Freepers wanting to rejoin the UK to escape socialism:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2956850/posts

and nothing exudes confidence as much as going live with your post-election transition website with instructions for those seeking sweet sweet administration jobs.

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What has the world come to.
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08 Nov 2012 21:53

VeloCity wrote:This is why you guys still don't and probably never will get it.


It's not my conclusion. I've posted the link twice.

Higher rates of Hispanic poverty drive this disparity in welfare consumption. Hispanics made up nearly 60 percent of California’s poor in 2010, despite being less than 38 percent of the population. Nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics in California are poor, compared with a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nationally, the poverty rate of Hispanic adults drops from 25.5 percent in the first generation—the immigrant generation, that is—to 17 percent in the second but rises to 19 percent in the third, according to a Center for Immigration Studies analysis. (The poverty rate for white adults is 9 percent.) That frustrating third-generation economic stall repeats the pattern in high school graduation and college completion rates as well.


The statistics are either correct or incorrect. Maybe you want to argue with the conclusion? Okay, argue away.

If you are right the D's are going to get the Hispanic vote. If Ms. Mac Donald is right the D's are still going to get the Hispanic vote.
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09 Nov 2012 01:32

I see that Puerto Rico has voted for statehood by the required majority. What all has to happen now before we get a 51st state, and is this a 'good thing'? I have no opinion, I simply don't know.
The LOTE has won, all hail the LOTE!
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09 Nov 2012 02:51

I see that Scott has come back to talk about whatever it is he likes to talk about. Usually it has something to do with the Cali welfare state, but he ignores the fact that the "Hispanic population" in California really does all the heavy lifting for basically poverty wages, and that the upper end of the middle class pays those wages (nannies, gardeners, guys who make awesome stone walls and fireplaces, guys who cart off the stuff that the city trash collectors won't take). In reality the "tax burden" that results is just a way of making the rest of us pay so the really rich can get good deals on things that the rest of the middle class can not afford.
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09 Nov 2012 04:34

...is this what you call irony?...or proof positive that there is a god in heaven, and he does not like the wrong wing, and he has a wicked sense of humour...

"You reap what you sow. It seems hard to believe in the wake of the invasion of Iraq and widespread conservative hostility towards Muslims in the United States, but prior to 9/11, American Muslims were a solidly Republican voter demographic. Via Ray on the Royals, baseball blogger Rany Jazayerli pointed out yesterday that, fascinatingly, ex-Republican Muslim voters would have won the election for Mitt Romney:


In the 2000 election, approximately 70% of Muslims in America voted for Bush; among non-African-American Muslims, the ratio was over 80%. Four years later, Bush’s share of the vote among Muslims was 4%.

There is simply no way that I can justify voting for a party that denies the very legitimacy of my identity as an American. Nor can most other members of the American Muslim community, who just happen to be clustered in swing states like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. If Nate Silver is right, not only will Romney lose the election, but it can be safely said that if the Muslim community had voted the same way they had in 2000, he would have won."

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09 Nov 2012 04:39

Hugh Januss wrote:I see that Scott has come back to talk about whatever it is he likes to talk about. Usually it has something to do with the Cali welfare state, but he ignores the fact that the "Hispanic population" in California really does all the heavy lifting for basically poverty wages, and that the upper end of the middle class pays those wages (nannies, gardeners, guys who make awesome stone walls and fireplaces, guys who cart off the stuff that the city trash collectors won't take). In reality the "tax burden" that results is just a way of making the rest of us pay so the really rich can get good deals on things that the rest of the middle class can not afford.



Sssup, HJ? How's the cross season treating you? I paid $12 a beer and $10 to park at Sppokycross. I hope you guys racing enjoyed it because the spectating sucked.

You should read the piece written by Ms Mac Donald. It draws interesting conclusions backed up with facts and real data. It's not a hit piece... just read it.
Then you can walk back most of your snotty post.:)
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09 Nov 2012 07:21



The extent to which the right-wing has polluted politics with the vitriol of loathing and hate, transforming this last presidential campaign into a quasi-civil war; has been perfectly summarized in this ghastly piece.

There are family members (republicans) in America, who have stopped speaking to other family members (democrats); idem with friends. And to think in Europe one can say he is a communist and not be insulted, because it’s not taken as an insult, but a political position.

It also testifies to the fact that within modern global democracy, there is no one further to right than a right-wing American.
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09 Nov 2012 07:43

Scott SoCal wrote:..the south FL Cubans already are pretty conservative.
http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_1_california-demographics.html


Just to make a precision about the political inclinations of the defected Cubans, they are convinced of the salvific nature of American style capitalism and hence are not merely "pretty conservative," but would vote for the Antichrist himself so long as he wasn't a socialist. ;)

Those I have met who have made it to Europe are less radicalized and hold a more nuanced and balanced position, which evidences a cultural difference in regards to extremism and free-market, capitalist viewpoints between the two democratic galaxies. Of course this is a problem for the republican party in the complex and morphed world of today, for which any extremism is not fortuitous. They have become radicalized and cannot see that the type of uber-capitalism they embrace, with all the fervor of religious fundamentalists and the Politburo, inevitably leads, because is the cause of, the crisis in capitalism and thus cannot be resovled, as they maintain it can, by the same filamentary policy.
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09 Nov 2012 11:41

rhubroma wrote:Just to make a precision about the political inclinations of the defected Cubans, they are convinced of the salvific nature of American style capitalism and hence are not merely "pretty conservative," but would vote for the Antichrist himself so long as he wasn't a socialist. ;)

Those I have met who have made it to Europe are less radicalized and hold a more nuanced and balanced position, which evidences a cultural difference in regards to extremism and free-market, capitalist viewpoints between the two democratic galaxies. Of course this is a problem for the republican party in the complex and morphed world of today, for which any extremism is not fortuitous. They have become radicalized and cannot see that the type of uber-capitalism they embrace, with all the fervor of religious fundamentalists and the Politburo, inevitably leads, because is the cause of, the crisis in capitalism and thus cannot be resovled, as they maintain it can, by the same filamentary policy.


It is nice to hear that the Cubans who have made it to Europe are less radical and have a more balance. :rolleyes:

You just made that crap up. Do you have experience working with all the defected Cubans in America?

Thanks for the lecture in regards to what is wrong with the USA defected Cubans as compared to the European counterparts. :cool:

Imagine if the USA had the vision to drop all of this embargo crap and flooded Cuba with the big bad capitalist goods and services. Wow imagine what the people would do with food, water, toilet paper, cars, cheap electronics...on and on. That bad capitalist just might start another revolution and Fidel and family would find their a$$'s out of a job or dead. Oh well.
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09 Nov 2012 12:20

Scott SoCal wrote:Sssup, HJ? How's the cross season treating you? I paid $12 a beer and $10 to park at Sppokycross. I hope you guys racing enjoyed it because the spectating sucked.

You should read the piece written by Ms Mac Donald. It draws interesting conclusions backed up with facts and real data. It's not a hit piece... just read it.
Then you can walk back most of your snotty post.:)


$12 a beer to pay for a sport catering to wealthy, aging, elitists to pretend they're still athletes? supporting that makes you part of the problem.....:D please tell me it wasn't bud light !!!!
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09 Nov 2012 12:26

Glenn_Wilson wrote:It is nice to hear that the Cubans who have made it to Europe are less radical and have a more balance. :rolleyes:

You just made that crap up. Do you have experience working with all the defected Cubans in America?

Thanks for the lecture in regards to what is wrong with the USA defected Cubans as compared to the European counterparts. :cool:

Imagine if the USA had the vision to drop all of this embargo crap and flooded Cuba with the big bad capitalist goods and services. Wow imagine what the people would do with food, water, toilet paper, cars, cheap electronics...on and on. That bad capitalist just might start another revolution and Fidel and family would find their a$$'s out of a job or dead. Oh well.


come on glenn, both the cubans he met were less radical. rube wouldn't make up anything.
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09 Nov 2012 12:33

Mitt Romney's Campaign Cancels Staffers Credit Cards In The Middle Of The Night (Forbes)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/08/mitt-romneys-campaign-cancels-staffers-credit-cards-in-the-middle-of-the-night/

"The next time you have the misfortune of hearing a Wall Street titan or other one-percenter whine about how their trickle-down contributions are not appreciated by the masses remember this tidbit, courtesy of Garrett Haake at NBC:

"From the moment Mitt Romney stepped off stage Tuesday night, having just delivered a brief concession speech he wrote only that evening, the massive infrastructure surrounding his campaign quickly began to disassemble itself."

Aides taking cabs home late that night got rude awakenings when they found the credit cards linked to the campaign no longer worked.

No doubt a whole host of Boston taxi drivers found themselves stiffed when it came to tips early Wednesday morning. That’s what happens when the money trickles up, not down and it’s why healthy economies don’t depend on the trickle down whims of overlords. The minute Richie Rich decides he doesn’t need all that stuff staff … well, that’s that.

In case you are wondering, this did not have to happen. The Mitt Romney for President entity does not end with Romeny’s Tuesday night loss. There are papers to be filed with various federal commissions and bills to be paid …."

....so this is the kind of behaviour that the US would had to endure had RobMe been elected...looks like America dodged a bullet...

What a jerk.

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09 Nov 2012 12:38

A blog by someone on the Romney campaign, about that highly sophisticated system they used to lose this election:

The Unmitigated Disaster Known As Project ORCA

They expected 75-80 year old veteran volunteers to print out 60+ pages on their home computers? The night before election day? From what I hear, other people had similar experiences. In fact, many volunteers never received their packets at all.
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